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16-06-2015 11:53 AM #31
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16-06-2015 12:16 PM #33
My point was, we have apparently just allowed to let go, three of our brightest prospects in Harris, Handling & Stanton but have signed two others in Boyle & Fyvie (with possibly/hopefully McGeouch), players which are all within a year or two of the guys we have spent a lot of time and money on bringing through, just to replace them.
Ok, I hear what is being said about the youth set up being revamped, and maybe this revamp will pay off in the long term, but it is going to be interesting to see if this will be the case or/and if we still sign players of a similar age from other clubs.
As previously said, I have no idea how much we as a club spend on our youth system. My question would be, could we save enough money on not having one and then trying to 'cherry pick' the best of the rest?
Personally, I would love for our team to be filled with lads we have brought through a very successful youth set up but ultimately, if this is not paying dividends for the first team then it is a waste of resources.
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16-06-2015 12:54 PM #34
Interesting topic.
Several good points already raised.
Would be curious to now the amount of money spent / raised / invested in our youth structure - salaries of staff etc.
As already mentioned there are club licensing standards also.
Check out the link below - then click- current status - Hibs are Gold and Gold 4+
http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/football....cfm?page=2570
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16-06-2015 02:34 PM #35
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16-06-2015 03:10 PM #37
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16-06-2015 03:17 PM #38
Was there not rumours doing the rounds a couple of weeks back about a tie up with Edina Hibs.
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16-06-2015 06:50 PM #39This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
It's only a waste of resources if it isn't operating properly.Mature, sensible signature required for responsible position. Good prospects for the right candidate. Apply within.
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16-06-2015 07:28 PM #40
What disappoints me is that, when East Mains first opened, I visited and they were talking up the youth program. Players were put up in the QMC residences, bussed in to the training centre every day, given meals and helped with non-football education. This all sounded great - so what happened? Why have we had to change things again?
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16-06-2015 07:30 PM #41
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Yes we need a youth policy. It's just been mismanaged for years.
It's not all down to the club. There needs to be a better pathway to the first team though. The jump from the development league to the first team is just too big. The only player, recently, who has regularly been able to do for the first team what he did in the development league is Cummings. Regularly, the likes of Handling and Stanton stroll through games in the 20s but struggle to make a consistent impact in the first team. That said, we are in the championship which does make that jump a fair bit smaller.
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16-06-2015 07:41 PM #42
Just noticed this on twitter Re Edina Hibs
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16-06-2015 07:47 PM #43This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Focusing too much on the here and now may address the immediate concerns and there may be merit in that if you're going down the tubes to worry about which business you are actually in...
It seems to me that we have been victims of focusing too much on the here and now and not building (infrastructure aside) for the future.
In terms of youth how do you expect to appeal to youngsters in the community and beyond if there's no visible route in?
Would we have seen the likes of the golden generation if we were solely focused on here and now and not building from youth (although some may argue the golden generation was thrust apon us b circumstance than by design).
With the rch getting richer and the poor getting poorer football's future for many clubs surely lies within their local community. Is there a better way to demonstrate that than have one of your own within the ranks?
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17-06-2015 07:55 AM #44
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Looking at the ratings and taking into account infrastructure, administration and youth policy the only club with a higher rating than us is Celtic. Off the field is looking solid indeed, just got to get it right on the field this season.
Also noticed we have a gold rating for ER along with Ibrox, Parkhead and Hampden only. (With our big team chums in bronze stood along side Gayfield and Cappielow amongst others).
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17-06-2015 08:55 AM #45
Do we need a youth system? yes and thrice yes!
Has ours been badly run? not at all, what has been badly run is the transition from youth team to first, a number of managers would just not give guys the time required and go and buy or loan dross.
Look across the city they had no choice and their young players are coming good, that is exactly what happened when Brown, O'Connor etc broke into the team we had no money and had to do it and Bobby Williamson brought them in because he had to not because he wanted to, then Tony Mowbray took them a stage further.
Our system was working but you will be lucky if you get 1 or 2 a year out of any system in the country (sometimes you get more followed by none)
As for Eddie May, well things are not well at East Mains he has not won any friends and he has messed up a couple of very good teams with boys walking away all over the place.
I would not be suprised if he is "moved on" im sure if there are any parents of players in the system down there that have had any dealings with him they will back this up.
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17-06-2015 09:06 AM #46
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I am sure Hibs will intervene if they think there is a problem,but then again should parent's not keep out of it as Hibs are running the show
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17-06-2015 09:10 AM #47
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How much have we spent overall to POSSIBLY produce 1 or 2 players? How much do we save by scrapping the youth system and then when the manager/scouts spot somebody they like from say Morton, for example, and just pay the fee required if the player is U23?
I know scrapping the youth system is never going to happen, it would probably politically incorrect if nothing else, but I'm more and more coming to the conclusion we don't really need one and there is an alternative way to go that best pay dividends for the club.
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17-06-2015 09:46 AM #51
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I'm not close to it, I admit, as it's just through a mate - but he seemed very upbeat about the set up.
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17-06-2015 10:40 AM #52
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17-06-2015 10:42 AM #53
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It needs to work better of course but if it does you not only get players into your first team that you haven't had to pay for from other clubs but you also open the possibility of getting decent fees over time for players you have brought through.
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17-06-2015 10:43 AM #54
Don't know much about the set up but I find with parents in youth football that if their kids is doing well it's a great set up and if they are not doing well then there is something wrong with the set up.
They don't mean it, it's just a natural reaction.
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17-06-2015 11:30 AM #55
37% of Hibs first team appearances last season were made by graduates of the youth Academy (28% of first team starts).
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17-06-2015 11:41 AM #56This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
They did not get cut they walked, we have a truly fantastic striker at 14/15s just now who is walking, our Scotland player at 17s last year has also walked.
14's goalie walked as ttaining has been truly awful for goalies since Thomo was cut by Butcher, this kid was coming from West Lothian area to be faced with no goalie training as the coach (that they got from Hearts and is brutal) had not turned up!
There has been issues for a while and have gotten much, much worse this past year, all very easy to blame the last guy when you are first in, bit harder when it is a year on.
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17-06-2015 11:56 AM #57
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I sometimes think our academy deserves a lot more credit . the figures above seem to back that up as this is a somewhat dry spell.Last edited by liamh2202; 17-06-2015 at 12:00 PM.
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17-06-2015 12:01 PM #58
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Who is the youth goalie coach now ?
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17-06-2015 12:10 PM #59
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