Couldn't agree more. I said in an earlier post that IMO Stanton, Harris & Handling are far too good for development football but struggle to hold down a first team place. It's the same across the city with Holt being the prime example but King & even Nicholson not always being first choices.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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Thread: Ruthless with youngsters
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11-06-2015 06:29 PM #31
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11-06-2015 06:33 PM #32This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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11-06-2015 06:34 PM #33
Holt, King and Nicholson are far better IMO than Stanton, Harris and Handling.
It wouldn't bother me if all three were let go to free wages or even loaned out! Said it for a long time and was shot down that these lads needed to step up when given the chance. Stanton is the best of the three for what I've seen and if you can't dominate in this league then I'm sorry there's something not right!
I'm not having a go at these players by the way, good pros but for me not good enough for were we as a club want to be or want to go.
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11-06-2015 06:40 PM #34This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
If enough teams were interested, why not organise a friendly with the team we are about to play in a reverse fixture. Non playing first team players, players returning from injury and development players could play against each other in an unofficial reserve type league but played as friendlies.
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11-06-2015 06:43 PM #35This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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11-06-2015 07:15 PM #36This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
He took his chance.
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11-06-2015 07:48 PM #37
I mind a thread on here last season going mental at the 3 or 4 players we were releasing who were deemed future stars. A left back i seem to recall......not even sure where he is.
These guys have to be taking their chance. I dont care who is in the team, they have to keep developing and keep improving. Look at the guys at Hamilton. I think the "conveyor belt" has ruined a lot of players attitudes. The notion of that all you need to do is break into the team and you will move on is no longer true.
It response to the OP. I agree, they have had their chance. The 3 of them will be 21 next years and no longer youngsters. if they are not better than we have, im sure the next batch of 18 year olds will take the place of the next prospect. Its ruthless but the harsh realilty
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11-06-2015 08:53 PM #38
Interesting thread. It's really tough one as we all want to see a young player coming through the ranks and 'making it'.
In an ideal world they'd get all the time in the world to do so.
The fear for me is always "Have we let them go too soon?" or "Would one more year have made the difference?".
If I had to pick one out of the three to keep and give more opportunity to it would be Stanton.
Our recruitment and overall re-structuring of our club however, gives me confidence that if we do let these guys go, we will have a new breed of 'younger players' coming through...
Good discussion though
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11-06-2015 08:55 PM #39This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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11-06-2015 08:58 PM #40
The thing is with youngsters as you always want them to stay and succeed in the team.
Over the past 10 years you could probably name 2 every season that have got released or sold and people have came on moaning that he was going to be brilliant, but really how many of them have we been wrong to let go?
The 3 boys are all talented, and I think the biggest issue for handling and Stanton is knowing what there position is and being able to have a crack at it. But that means taking the chance when it comes, not every 3rd game is good and the other 2 are ok
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11-06-2015 09:06 PM #41This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Defo 3 players with talent but maybe right place but just wrong time? (Which happens at lots of clubs I guess)
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11-06-2015 09:35 PM #42
I'd be very disappointed if Stanton was to leave. There absolutely is a player in there. Disappointed he didn't make more of an impact last season but I still believe in him. Make or break this season coming though
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11-06-2015 09:45 PM #43
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11-06-2015 09:57 PM #46
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It's perfectly fair to compare them to the players that you mention as that is who they are competing with. Whether they are young, experienced or whatever is irrelevant. If they aren't contributing enough, we need to bring in someone to replace them.
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11-06-2015 09:58 PM #47
My view this time last year was that a season in the second tier was make-or-break for the three being discussed, together with Forster.
I'm not concerned about Forster who has played well when fit, but the other three haven't done enough. I might keep them for one last year as depth since they won't be on big wages, but on the available evidence I'd be surprised if any of the three do enough to become a regular starter.Mature, sensible signature required for responsible position. Good prospects for the right candidate. Apply within.
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11-06-2015 10:14 PM #48
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11-06-2015 10:45 PM #49
Maybe they way we have played and been coached under a few ex-managers kinda knocked their Confidence to Bits.. before they even reached the First Team ??
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11-06-2015 10:58 PM #50This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Many of the young players who have succeeded in our recent past played or trained under Williamson. That didn't stunt or harm their talent.
Doesn't wash for me I'm afraid.
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11-06-2015 11:17 PM #51This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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12-06-2015 06:58 AM #52This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Bloody good point this. I'm still not sure exactly what their best position is supposed to be. Would be interesting to know how this plays out behind the scenes and whether they are certain themselves.
Also agree with the other posters that Stanton and Handling need a bit more physicality. On top of everything else it will help their confidence - when you see Handling getting bumped around by some low rent thug it's not likely to make his next touch or pass better :(
If I was to pick one of our youngsters that I think is most likely to make the cut it would be Forster.
He has the weaknesses I'd expect of a youngster - a wee bit inexperienced in positioning and decision making.
You'd hope that a good manager (particularly an ex-central defender) can help him with this.
Why I think he's more likely to make it is he has the physical presence that if he gets his decision making right he's going to execute.
If Stanton or Handling do everything else right - control and decision - there's still a chance it won't come off because they can be shoved around.
The other bit I like about Forster is the bit you can't teach which is his attitude - it's pretty clear he thinks he belongs in the first team and that shows in how he carries himself when playing.
By no means saying he's guaranteed to make it but for me he's at a very good level for his age.
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12-06-2015 10:20 AM #53
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Interesting thread this and loads of salient points for and against our young boys and if /when/can they make it !! I personally think the signs are there for a couple of them 1) Foerster has made the break through and when fit is,a first team regular , but needs to work hard and develop himself and get his head into living the right lifestyle as a pro footballer no more nonsense like the George Street gang stuff.
I think Danny Handling has reached his peak of ability , personally I think his real lack of any pace is a problem and not got the physical attributes to play a more restrictive central midfield role, definitely a decent brain and can finish, think championship in another team is it !! Stanton has bags of ability he needs to find consistency and a bit of physicality in his game, protecting the ball or winning his share of tackles , he is a talent in dribbling, getting into good positions, creatively, scores goals, he can go in but needs much more match time. Alex Harris since his injury has lacked real confidence, perhaps even before that expectations hit him hard as he hadn't really done much other than a few games where his potential showed, the flair and use of his pace were unseen. Has his move to Dundee helped from what I have seen in TV and heard from a few of their fans , he didn't give them much. He needs to get his head in the right place and give what we saw before and physiologically get himself sorted to play with his attributes, cos flitting in and out of games, shark by any kind of tackle or challenge is no good nowadays..... I have my doubts if he has it in him but hope to be proven wrong.
So Stanton and Forster have it and need to force themselves forward, Harris and Handling have a bit of work to do get up into the next stage ....all just my humble view.
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12-06-2015 10:58 AM #54
Before that Motherwell animal Hutchinson took Harris out with one of the worst tackles I have ever seen - he was a Class act with a good/great career ahead of him but the injury damaged him physically and mentally and the player has not regained his confidence and ability YET but it perhaps needs the coaching to bring him back to the player he is capable of being and the belief of his Manager and coaches
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