Managers win % since Alex Miller

[CallumLaidlaw]

Was having a wee looks at this earlier and was surprised where some of the managers placed in win %
For example, how high PF was considering the stick he got, and that Calderwood was higher than Jim Duffy. Feel bad that Franck is bottom, but taking him out, those next 3 are horrible horrible football managers


Alan Stubbs 56.76%
Tony Mowbray 48.15%
Alex Mcleish 46.95%
John Collins 42.59%
Bobby Williamson 36.56%
Pat Fenlon 35.63%
John Hughes 35.19%
Alex Miller 34.88%
Mixu Paatelainen 30.65%
Colin Calderwood 24.49%
Jim Duffy 20.83%
Terry Butcher 20.69%
Franck Sauzee 6.67%

[Elephant Stone]

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Was having a wee looks at this earlier and was surprised where some of the managers placed in win %
For example, how high PF was considering the stick he got, and that Calderwood was higher than Jim Duffy. Feel bad that Franck is bottom, but taking him out, those next 3 are horrible horrible football managers


Alan Stubbs 56.76%
Tony Mowbray 48.15%
Alex Mcleish 46.95%
John Collins 42.59%
Bobby Williamson 36.56%
Pat Fenlon 35.63%
John Hughes 35.19%
Alex Miller 34.88%
Mixu Paatelainen 30.65%
Colin Calderwood 24.49%
Jim Duffy 20.83%
Terry Butcher 20.69%
Franck Sauzee 6.67%

He also inherited a far, far shanner team than the managers round about him.

[GreenArmyyy!]

Pat did ok, not a great job but not a terrible one either. He did his best and I will always be grateful for that. We all know how they ended but at the end of the day he did ok in the league and got us to two cup finals in a row.

[Unseen work]

Let's not forget pat had Leigh griffiths! Without him we would of really struggled. I get he was the one that signed him etc etc

[KeithTheHibby]

And some say that JC was a crap manager for us...

Anyway I'm prepared to excuse Sauzee's record as he was untried and moved from the team to the dugout however as for Butcher...the worst manager I've ever witnessed in charge of my team.

[KeithTheHibby]

Bobby Williamson also had a decent record despite having to get rid of the majority of our best players and basically took over a relegation threatened team.

[hfc rd]

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Let's not forget pat had Leigh griffiths! Without him we would of really struggled. I get he was the one that signed him etc etc

It was Calderclown that signed him.

[skipster7]

So Tony Mowbray has the best stats as his were all in the top division. What a good team we had then.

[Michael]

How is Mixu so low? We were always top 6 under him I think.

[Stevie Reid]

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How is Mixu so low? We were always top 6 under him I think.

Lots of draws and barely won a top 6 game under him IIRC.

[J-C]

It also shows that last 2 times we've been relegated the percentage around 20 mark, Duffy and Butcher, how the hell can any manager only get 20% win ratio

[franck sauzee]

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It also shows that last 2 times we've been relegated the percentage around 20 mark, Duffy and Butcher, how the hell can any manager only get 20% win ratio

By winning only 1 in 5 games :P

[allezsauzee]

I didn't think I'd ever dislike a manager as much as Jim Duffy...Butcher proved me wrong though

[Smartie]

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Was having a wee looks at this earlier and was surprised where some of the managers placed in win %
For example, how high PF was considering the stick he got, and that Calderwood was higher than Jim Duffy. Feel bad that Franck is bottom, but taking him out, those next 3 are horrible horrible football managers


Alan Stubbs 56.76%
Tony Mowbray 48.15%
Alex Mcleish 46.95%
John Collins 42.59%
Bobby Williamson 36.56%
Pat Fenlon 35.63%
John Hughes 35.19%
Alex Miller 34.88%
Mixu Paatelainen 30.65%
Colin Calderwood 24.49%
Jim Duffy 20.83%
Terry Butcher 20.69%
Franck Sauzee 6.67%

That's an interesting list.

I think it would only be fair to take Franck out - he had too few games in charge, so the effects of a "small sample size" will be amplified and his results will seem worse than they actually were.

The thing that is strange about it is that results really don't lie - it is probably the exact order I would rate our managers in during my time watching the club. Not much between the bottom three but I must admit I really didn't like Calderwood so he'd probably be bottom.

[MWHIBBIES]

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Let's not forget pat had Leigh griffiths! Without him we would of really struggled. I get he was the one that signed him etc etc

McLeish has Sauzee and Latapy, Mowbray had Riordan and O'Connor, Yogi had Stokes and Riordan, Mixu had Fletcher and Riordan.

Without managers having good players they struggle. Yogi and Mixu kinda did regardless.

[Leithenhibby]

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And some say that JC was a crap manager for us...

Anyway I'm prepared to excuse Sauzee's record as he was untried and moved from the team to the dugout however as for Butcher...the worst manager I've ever witnessed in charge of my team.

69 Days is not a fair kick o'the baw in my book

[Leith_Hibee]

McLeish also has a season in the Championship.

[Keith_M]

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The thing that is strange about it is that results really don't lie - it is probably the exact order I would rate our managers in during my time watching the club. ...

Surely Stubbs' win ratio is out of context, as every match has been in the second tier.

[Smartie]

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Surely Stubbs' win ratio is out of context, as every match has been in the second tier.

Placed in the context of the absolute abomination he inherited I think it's fair enough (but I accept that on the face of it being in the second tier for his entire reign so far flatters things). I don't think there are many managers on that list that could have turned things round the way he did, I suppose McLeish did something similar.

Time will tell, obviously, but so far I really like him. He totally changed our style of play, he attracted good players for the level we're at, unfortunately he just had too much too improve in his first year so we fell a bit short.

I have confidence that if he stays long enough then he'll earn his place at the top of that list.

[Pretty Boy]

I'd be interested to see that stats for both JCs and Yogis first 30 games in charge and their last 20 odd. My guess is the difference would be very clear.

[lyonhibs]

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That's an interesting list.

I think it would only be fair to take Franck out - he had too few games in charge, so the effects of a "small sample size" will be amplified and his results will seem worse than they actually were.

The thing that is strange about it is that results really don't lie - it is probably the exact order I would rate our managers in during my time watching the club. Not much between the bottom three but I must admit I really didn't like Calderwood so he'd probably be bottom.

Agree in principle but I'd be surprised to see many say they enjoyed the Blobby reign more that Yogi, if we can conveniently omit the last few months with his "fitba folk ken what's gaun oan " straw clutching.

Different times I accept. Miller, Stokes and Riordan. On the rare occasions they were all up for it and in form, that was a very decent team.

[Onion]

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Was having a wee looks at this earlier and was surprised where some of the managers placed in win %
For example, how high PF was considering the stick he got, and that Calderwood was higher than Jim Duffy. Feel bad that Franck is bottom, but taking him out, those next 3 are horrible horrible football managers


Alan Stubbs 56.76%
Tony Mowbray 48.15%
Alex Mcleish 46.95%
John Collins 42.59%
Bobby Williamson 36.56%
Pat Fenlon 35.63%
John Hughes 35.19%
Alex Miller 34.88%
Mixu Paatelainen 30.65%
Colin Calderwood 24.49%
Jim Duffy 20.83%
Terry Butcher 20.69%
Franck Sauzee 6.67%

Sauzee is a Hibee footballing god and can do no wrong, so above any criticism. End of.
TB being below the worst manager we'd ever seen at ER (Duff Jimmy), says everything that needs saying about Butcher and his dream team - utterly horrendous.
Duff Jimmy was semi interesting to listen to, Calderdud was a useless, boring and gormless.
If you remove PF's cup wins, would show a very different picture.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Fenlon did okay in the grand scheme of things IMHO. Two cup finals in a row can't be sniffed at, but it was the 1-5 and 0-7 that killed him, and by the end he knew he could go no further.


P.S. Butcher you ****

[Smartie]

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Agree in principle but I'd be surprised to see many say they enjoyed the Blobby reign more that Yogi, if we can conveniently omit the last few months with his "fitba folk ken what's gaun oan " straw clutching.

Different times I accept. Miller, Stokes and Riordan. On the rare occasions they were all up for it and in form, that was a very decent team.

Yogi's team was a joy to watch at times, especially the first few months. I really thought we were onto something there but then it all went a bit belly up, although how much of that was due to Yogi and how much was due to the "conduit" is up for discussion. Yogi did well with Mixu's players and adding a sprinkling of his own early on. He did have a couple of appalling transfer windows though, how much of that was down to him buying the wrong players and how much it was down to him missing out on his main targets and being effectively undermined, then blamed when it didn't work out……

As regards Blobby, none of us will really look back on that time with a great deal of fondness but I actually think that with hindsight Blobby did a very decent job and deserves our respect. He had to dismantle a highly-paid (and hopelessly underachieving) team and throw in the youngsters, and whilst it wasn't exactly inspiring at least we were never really threatened by relegation. I know that is faint praise given the size and ambitions of our club but you only need to see our current predicament (and that of The Rangers and Hearts) to see that this needn't necessarily be taken for granted. And there was probably a fair bit of "financial doping" going on elsewhere at that time so he was working with one arm tied behind his back.

[Eyrie]

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McLeish also has a season in the Championship.

Taking those league games out (28 wins in 36 games) then GJP still gets a reasonable 38.28%.

[james62]

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Was having a wee looks at this earlier and was surprised where some of the managers placed in win %
For example, how high PF was considering the stick he got, and that Calderwood was higher than Jim Duffy. Feel bad that Franck is bottom, but taking him out, those next 3 are horrible horrible football managers


Alan Stubbs 56.76%
Tony Mowbray 48.15%
Alex Mcleish 46.95%
John Collins 42.59%
Bobby Williamson 36.56%
Pat Fenlon 35.63%
John Hughes 35.19%
Alex Miller 34.88%
Mixu Paatelainen 30.65%
Colin Calderwood 24.49%
Jim Duffy 20.83%
Terry Butcher 20.69%
Franck Sauzee 6.67%

I think these 2 should be taken out. As has previously been said on this thread Sauzee wasn't given nearly enough time and Stubbsy (as much as I think is the man to take us forward) has only managed in the 2nd tier. Outwith those 2 I would say the list isn't really surprising.

[Purple & Green]

If you only include wins then you won't see a true picture, the draw and loss percentages are equally revealing.

Re Fenlon, he made some dreadful mistakes with Hibs friendly media and I think his biggest failing was a lack of confidence in his own ability - I think he knew how bad our problems were and I think he could have fixed them. I suppose that's why he's back in Ireland.


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[hfc rd]

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Was having a wee looks at this earlier and was surprised where some of the managers placed in win %
For example, how high PF was considering the stick he got, and that Calderwood was higher than Jim Duffy. Feel bad that Franck is bottom, but taking him out, those next 3 are horrible horrible football managers


Alan Stubbs 56.76%
Tony Mowbray 48.15%
Alex Mcleish 46.95%
John Collins 42.59%
Bobby Williamson 36.56%
Pat Fenlon 35.63%
John Hughes 35.19%
Alex Miller 34.88%
Mixu Paatelainen 30.65%
Colin Calderwood 24.49%
Jim Duffy 20.83%
Terry Butcher 20.69%
Franck Sauzee 6.67%

Kinda surprised how Blobby is 5th.

[Peevemor]

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And some say that JC was a crap manager for us...

There was a huge difference in results between the team he inherited and the one he put together.

[Clarence]

Mowbray wasn't perfect but all things being equal, he is rightly top of that list. Mcleish had a better team but we paid for it and they petered out in 2001.