Stubbs contract?

[KeithTheHibby]

Does he only have 1 year left?

May be quite hard convincing players to commit to 2 year deals when your manager is only signed up for a year...


I was talking about guys such as Allan, Fontaine, not those who have already signed on.

[Mikey09]

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Does he only have 1 year left?

May be quite hard convincing players to commit to 2 year deals when your manager is only signed up for a year...


I was talking about guys such as Allan, Fontaine, not those who have already signed on.

I said this the other week Keith on another thread. Leanne should make sure that Stubbs is the priority. Players come and go but having a manager who has a vision, plays good football and KNOWS what he's doing is key to the club moving forward. Come on Hibs... Get him on a long term contract!!

[Steve20]

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I said this the other week Keith on another thread. Leanne should make sure that Stubbs is the priority. Players come and go but having a manager who has a vision, plays good football and KNOWS what he's doing is key to the club moving forward. Come on Hibs... Get him on a long term contract!!

I'd offer a one year extension to the current deal. If he fails to get promoted this season, he can't get a third shot at it. So it would be a big payoff if too long a deal.

[Oscar T Grouch]

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I'd offer a one year extension to the current deal. If he fails to get promoted this season, he can't get a third shot at it. So it would be a big payoff if too long a deal.

Because chopping and changing managers has worked so well for us over the last 10 years eh? Whichever way you look at it, the title is still a big ask for Hibs this coming season, we are in a league with a club that MAY have a lot more resources than us, who the bookies has as shoo in favourites and an ex SPL team just demoted. I think we'll go up, but if it ends like the season just past, I would be gutted but I wouldn't look to be sacking a head coach with the potential of AS.

[allezsauzee]

I'm flabbergasted that anyone would even be considering us sacking Stubbs!

[Steve20]

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Because chopping and changing managers has worked so well for us over the last 10 years eh? Whichever way you look at it, the title is still a big ask for Hibs this coming season, we are in a league with a club that MAY have a lot more resources than us, who the bookies has as shoo in favourites and an ex SPL team just demoted. I think we'll go up, but if it ends like the season just past, I would be gutted but I wouldn't look to be sacking a head coach with the potential of AS.

I fully expect us to go up this season, so I don't see it being an issue come next May. However, if the worst did happen, how many seasons is acceptable to stay in the second tier?

As for the chopping and changing managers, I think two season is more than enough time to get Hibs up.

[Oscar T Grouch]

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I fully expect us to go up this season, so I don't see it being an issue come next May. However, if the worst did happen, how many seasons is acceptable to stay in the second tier?

Without the orcs in the league then one season. Last year was exceptional, both the yams and the the rangers were in the league already once we dropped into it, we just about made it out of the league from being in total disarray, if a couple things had gone our way or we got the rub of the green we would have gone up. The blame for the mess we are in is not Stubbs or Leann's, Petrie, butcher and malpas have that accolade. I genuinely think we have an excellent coach in AS, and time will prove me right on that, to sack him because of not getting prompted smacks of cutting our nose off to spite our face. We will go up automatically this coming season, I have very few doubts about that, but if we don't, it'll be because the rangers have financially doped themselves to the eyeballs, and that we can do nothing about.

[Steve20]

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Without the orcs in the league then one season. Last year was exceptional, both the yams and the the rangers were in the league already once we dropped into it, we just about made it out of the league from being in total disarray, if a couple things had gone our way or we got the rub of the green we would have gone up. The blame for the mess we are in is not Stubbs or Leann's, Petrie, butcher and malpas have that accolade. I genuinely think we have an excellent coach in AS, and time will prove me right on that, to sack him because of not getting prompted smacks of cutting our nose off to spite our face. We will go up automatically this coming season, I have very few doubts about that, but if we don't, it'll be because the rangers have financially doped themselves to the eyeballs, and that we can do nothing about.

It's nothing to do with cutting our nose to spite our face. It would be about finding a coach that can get us promoted, as Stubbs wouldn't have managed to do it in two attempts in this scenario. Not having the Hearts and Rangers thing. No reason we can't compete with Hearts and Rangers were a circus act all last season and still knocked us out the playoffs.

Alan Stubbs has done ok so far. Nothing more and nothing less. He needs promotion this season.

[Just Alf]

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Without the orcs in the league then one season. Last year was exceptional, both the yams and the the rangers were in the league already once we dropped into it, we just about made it out of the league from being in total disarray, if a couple things had gone our way or we got the rub of the green we would have gone up. The blame for the mess we are in is not Stubbs or Leann's, Petrie, butcher and malpas have that accolade. I genuinely think we have an excellent coach in AS, and time will prove me right on that, to sack him because of not getting prompted smacks of cutting our nose off to spite our face. We will go up automatically this coming season, I have very few doubts about that, but if we don't, it'll be because the rangers have financially doped themselves to the eyeballs, and that we can do nothing about.

And in that scenario Stubbs would certainly deserve the following season (if we could get him to stay on)

[CallumLaidlaw]

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And in that scenario Stubbs would certainly deserve the following season (if we could get him to stay on)

Absolutely. If rangers bring in a half decent manager and are allowed to bring in players on wages of up to £10k a week, then even staying close to them will be impressive. Last season and this coming season are complete oddities in the history of scottish football in having 2 and 3 of the biggest 5 clubs in the country in the 2nd tier.

Good players seem to want to play for Stubbs. The likes of Lewis Stevenson has said its the fittest hes ever been in his career. Alan Stubbs will go on to manage bigger clubs than Hibs, and it been 10 years and 7 managers since we've been able to say that

[Since90+2]

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Without the orcs in the league then one season. Last year was exceptional, both the yams and the the rangers were in the league already once we dropped into it, we just about made it out of the league from being in total disarray, if a couple things had gone our way or we got the rub of the green we would have gone up. The blame for the mess we are in is not Stubbs or Leann's, Petrie, butcher and malpas have that accolade. I genuinely think we have an excellent coach in AS, and time will prove me right on that, to sack him because of not getting prompted smacks of cutting our nose off to spite our face. We will go up automatically this coming season, I have very few doubts about that, but if we don't, it'll be because the rangers have financially doped themselves to the eyeballs, and that we can do nothing about.

I think Stubbs had a good first season but I dont think you can say we just about made it out of the league.

Hearts romped the league so we never got close to going up automatically and we lost our only playoff tie not even making it to the final.

Stubbs done the bare minimum (in league terms) by getting us into the playoffs.

[Unseen work]

I don't get why we would get rid even if he never got us promoted, purely for the reason I don't know anyone who could do a better job on out budget

[DH1875]

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I don't get why we would get rid even if he never got us promoted, purely for the reason I don't know anyone who could do a better job on out budget

That's's the key for me. If Rangers spend big and win the league then fair enough, nothing Stubbs can do about that. I would still expect us to get promoted though by finishing 2nd. IF we don't at least make the playoff final the Stubbs should and would have to be gone IMO.

[southern hibby]

I'm all for AS getting an extension, but as I have said in a previous thread all our players seem to be getting 2 year deals and we are talking about giving certain players a year extension too.
If we give Stubbs a year extension there is nothing to stop him leaving and taking the backbone of our team with him for absoloutely nothing. This means that any championship side could have AS as manager and several very good players too and we would get nothing from any deal.
I personally would offer AS a 2 year extension and let's get some long term stability from a manager/ coach and players that could make us a team to be reckoned with once again in the premiership.
As for not getting us promoted well come to that bridge if and when it happens, but I believe we will this year.
GGTTH

[Michael]

Personally, I like 1 year rolling contracts for managers.

Long term contracts only benefit rubbish managers because you have to pay them off.

[Oscar T Grouch]

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It's nothing to do with cutting our nose to spite our face. It would be about finding a coach that can get us promoted, as Stubbs wouldn't have managed to do it in two attempts in this scenario. Not having the Hearts and Rangers thing. No reason we can't compete with Hearts and Rangers were a circus act all last season and still knocked us out the playoffs.

Alan Stubbs has done ok so far. Nothing more and nothing less. He needs promotion this season.

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I think Stubbs had a good first season but I dont think you can say we just about made it out of the league.

Hearts romped the league so we never got close to going up automatically and we lost our only playoff tie not even making it to the final.

Stubbs done the bare minimum (in league terms) by getting us into the playoffs.

I really think this is and will be a case of be careful for what you wish for, Stubbs is a good coach, if we don't get promoted next season, we change coach, who do we bring in? A coach with experience that can take us out the league? How would we pay for that? How could we guarantee they'd hit the ground running and get us promoted? Stubbs minimum was to get us into the playoffs? This year its promotion or he's off? That's a pretty narrow view of how things actually are and smacks of short term memory loss. We were in an awful state last year, the club was on its knees, and I think finishing 2nd in a league with the rangers and hearts was a good result, the playoffs are a gamble, look at the English Championship, of the 11 years the current structure has been in place 6 times out of 11 the 3rd placed team got promoted, that just over half the time. All playoffs are a gamble. If we had taken a few changes against the orcs, we would have been in the final and it would have been a totally different game to what it was.

I think if we manage to keep AS here, it will be a coup for Hibs, if we don't it'll be to our detriment and bad for the long term health of the club.

[Franck Stanton]

Think some people need to be careful what they wish for. Alan Stubbs is a VERY good manager, best we have had since Mowbray/McLeish, in fact, given time could prove best since Turnbull. lets see what he can do with a squad he built, with a good pre-season behind him, think we will all be delighted with him come end of the season, only fear I have is, he leaves us for a bigger club. For what it's worth, I think he is doing a fantastic job and we will win the league this year.

[Bishop Hibee]

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I'd offer a one year extension to the current deal. If he fails to get promoted this season, he can't get a third shot at it. So it would be a big payoff if too long a deal.

I agree with this. However seeing the improvement from the start of last season to the end I believe we will go up in 15/16.

[Jim44]

If we don't go back up either next season or the next again at the latest, I can see us becoming a dyed in the wool Championship club. As far as Stubbs is concerned, I don't think he would want to stay on for another year if that were the case.

[bingo70]

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I don't get why we would get rid even if he never got us promoted, purely for the reason I don't know anyone who could do a better job on out budget

I'd hope that dempster would have better contacts in the game than you or I though.

I like Stubbs, I think he'll do well next season but I don't see the urgency to extend his deal. If we fail to get promotion he's ultimately failed two years in a row, regardless of how you dress it up.

If we don't go up next season we'd have to give consideration to replacing him, hearts have shown what can be achieved in this league on a similar budget so we'll have a benchmark to compare against. If we have a similar season to them but rangers do as well I could handle missing out but another season like this one and we fail to go up wouldn't be good enough.

[SanFranHibs]

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Because chopping and changing managers has worked so well for us over the last 10 years eh? Whichever way you look at it, the title is still a big ask for Hibs this coming season, we are in a league with a club that MAY have a lot more resources than us, who the bookies has as shoo in favourites and an ex SPL team just demoted. I think we'll go up, but if it ends like the season just past, I would be gutted but I wouldn't look to be sacking a head coach with the potential of AS.

But until there is league reconstruction there will alays be at least one top flight team dropping down. Last year the Rangers were odds on with TWO top flight teams dropping and they finished beneath both.

Not saying we will not go up but changes might occur especially if at the end of next season if we don't go up and Rangers don't go up and again there is at least one team dropping down? and what if we have a pretty bad season? that will take care of itself. Now I am not saying we sack him if we don't go up, but we have to be realistic in today's game. Most managers are on a short leash.

However, all that said, I am confident we can win this league! In fact i might stick a few quid on us to win it and I won't worry about 2016/16 until we get through 2015/16.

Stubbs can do it this year!

[Hannah_hfc]

If anyone else saw the Stubbs interview after Fyvie signed a 2 year deal, he spoke a bit about a Fyvies past with a change of management down south leading to his career dipping before coming back here.

Reading between the lines, the fact that AS highlighted that in particular, I'd take from that, a key factor of Fyvie staying and signing for us would be Stubbs assuring him that the current management would be constant for the foreseeable future.

Although there's a high chance that I have maybe looked too much into it, that's what struck me when I watched that particular interview!

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[BOB MARLEYS DUG]

He'll be getting an extension fairly soon I reckon.

[Since90+2]

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I really think this is and will be a case of be careful for what you wish for, Stubbs is a good coach, if we don't get promoted next season, we change coach, who do we bring in? A coach with experience that can take us out the league? How would we pay for that? How could we guarantee they'd hit the ground running and get us promoted? Stubbs minimum was to get us into the playoffs? This year its promotion or he's off? That's a pretty narrow view of how things actually are and smacks of short term memory loss. We were in an awful state last year, the club was on its knees, and I think finishing 2nd in a league with the rangers and hearts was a good result, the playoffs are a gamble, look at the English Championship, of the 11 years the current structure has been in place 6 times out of 11 the 3rd placed team got promoted, that just over half the time. All playoffs are a gamble. If we had taken a few changes against the orcs, we would have been in the final and it would have been a totally different game to what it was.

I think if we manage to keep AS here, it will be a coup for Hibs, if we don't it'll be to our detriment and bad for the long term health of the club.

I agree. Stubbs is a very good manager and a I hope he signs an extension.

My point was in response to someone saying we just about went up last season which I don't agree with.

[shetlandhibee]

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I fully expect us to go up this season, so I don't see it being an issue come next May. However, if the worst did happen, how many seasons is acceptable to stay in the second tier?

As for the chopping and changing managers, I think two season is more than enough time to get Hibs up.

[Onion]

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I'd offer a one year extension to the current deal. If he fails to get promoted this season, he can't get a third shot at it. So it would be a big payoff if too long a deal.

Stubbs has done enough to show he'll be worth money if he gets Hibs up or not. Get him on a rolling one year deal so we at least get a bit of cash if suitors come calling.

[Steve20]

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Stubbs has done enough to show he'll be worth money if he gets Hibs up or not.

No, he's not.

I like Stubbs, he comes across as a nice guy. But results wise, he's not achieved anything yet. We only beat Falkirk, QOS and Raith a grand total of 3 times in 12 matches. Chuck in a poor semi final which was there for the taking. "Oh but we dominated" doesn't make a difference, we lost.

Yes the football is easier on the eye, but give me scrappy 1-0 wins every week to get out this league please rather than well played defeats.

Stubbs deserves another shot at it, but to say he's done anything other than OK so far is pushing it. A lot of people are blinded by the 4-0 at Christmas over Rangers, IMO.

[DH1875]

Where do we draw the line? IF rangers spend big and win the league then what are we looking at. Is finishing 2nd enough, is it making the playoffs, is it making the playoff final?
People can't honestly believe he should keep his job no matter what. A line has to be drawn somewhere I'm affraid.

[CallumLaidlaw]

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Where do we draw the line? IF rangers spend big and win the league then what are we looking at. Is finishing 2nd enough, is it making the playoffs, is it making the playoff final?
People can't honestly believe he should keep his job no matter what. A line has to be drawn somewhere I'm affraid.

Of course it does. Progress needs to be seen. We need to be dealing with the smaller teams better, and if Rangers do spend, we need to be at least 2nd and making the playoff final.

I don't think it will get to that tho, as I reckon we may be looking at the top 4 being promoted through reconstruction.

[Andy74]

I'm confident that when Stubbs leaves Hibs it will be his choice.