Pet Peeves IV

[s.a.m]

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Certain rhyming lyrics in songs.

Rhyming “girl” with “world” really annoys me for some reason.

As does “hands in the air” with “don’t care”.

Rhyming with the same word as well such as that guy who rhymes “Kodak” with “Kodak”.

Ive just listened to Rod Stewart’s “I don’t want to talk about it” and he rhymes “Heart” with “Heart” in his chorus. FFS did you think I wouldn’t notice?

I feel your pain. There's a line in a Robert Palmer song (can't remember what it's called - video of red-lipsticked , sulky looking lasses wiggling in the background) that contains the lines: I told you twice/ I was only trying to be nice.
It makes me want to run amok with a chainsaw. The rhyme works, but there's something about it ...the primary school poem thing? the banality? The desperate contrivance of it? that sets off fireworks in my head.

[lapsedhibee]

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I feel your pain. There's a line in a Robert Palmer song (can't remember what it's called - video of red-lipsticked , sulky looking lasses wiggling in the background)

That's
Addicted To Lurve

[s.a.m]

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That's
Addicted To Lurve

That's the one

[Hibrandenburg]

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Folk like Donald Trump, maybe?

Some do but most hate him.

Aye, exactly like Donald Trump.

[Hibbyradge]

"Gotten".

[Mibbes Aye]

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"Gotten".

Unless it is as in “ill-gotten gains” or, at a stretch “Gott in Himmel” for those of us who enjoyed the pacifist, internationalist and undoubtedly colloquially correct education afforded by Victor and Warlord.

[lord bunberry]

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"Gotten".

Gotten is a perfectly reasonable word to use.

[Mibbes Aye]

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Gotten is a perfectly reasonable word to use.

Only in American English and even then it is a push. For me it is one of those funny words that doesn’t exist in usage in the contrary, hence why we only use ‘ill-gotten’. In British English, it should be ‘received’ or ‘became’ or the like.

’Got’ is the past tense of ‘get’. My memory of grammar is hazy but I think ‘gotten’ is the past participle, stand to be corrected.

You wouldn’t say I gotten good at something, you would say I became good at something. I’m actually doubting whether ‘became good’ is acceptable but it is certainly better than ‘gotten good’.

Likewise, I gotten lots of presents. I was given lots of presents or I received lots of presents.

[lapsedhibee]

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You wouldn’t say I gotten good at something, you would say I became good at something. I’m actually doubting whether ‘became good’ is acceptable but it is certainly better than ‘gotten good’.

I've a hazy memory that schoolteachers of English used to advise that using even 'got' was poor style, and that it should always be replaced by something else. [Double space] But to describe someone having carried out a GTF instruction, I think you'd have to say 'he/she got tf'.

[Future17]

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Only in American English and even then it is a push. For me it is one of those funny words that doesn’t exist in usage in the contrary, hence why we only use ‘ill-gotten’. In British English, it should be ‘received’ or ‘became’ or the like.

’Got’ is the past tense of ‘get’. My memory of grammar is hazy but I think ‘gotten’ is the past participle, stand to be corrected.

You wouldn’t say I gotten good at something, you would say I became good at something. I’m actually doubting whether ‘became good’ is acceptable but it is certainly better than ‘gotten good’.

Likewise, I gotten lots of presents. I was given lots of presents or I received lots of presents.

IIRC, you’re spot on about “gotten” being the past participle, but that means it is acceptable to use it so long as the preceding word allows it. The example you’ve give is missing “have” (i.e. I have gotten good at…”). That's technically correct but, as you've said, become sounds better. This is because you wouldn’t normally say “I got good” in the first place.

A better example for the use of “gotten” would be as a part participle in a sentence where “get” would be the present tense and “got” the past tense. So, for example:

I may get promoted.
I got promoted.
I have gotten promoted several times.

[s.a.m]

At the time of the Mayflower, gotten was in use here in Britain, and it comes from Old English. We ditched it, they kept it. Always assumed it was an Americanism, until I read something about an author dealing with complaints about her use of the word in a historical novel. I looked it up, and apparently that's the case.

[lord bunberry]

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IIRC, you’re spot on about “gotten” being the past participle, but that means it is acceptable to use it so long as the preceding word allows it. The example you’ve give is missing “have” (i.e. I have gotten good at…”). That's technically correct but, as you've said, become sounds better. This is because you wouldn’t normally say “I got good” in the first place.

A better example for the use of “gotten” would be as a part participle in a sentence where “get” would be the present tense and “got” the past tense. So, for example:

I may get promoted.
I got promoted.
I have gotten promoted several times.

You can also use it with had or has.

[WeeRussell]

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Only in American English and even then it is a push. For me it is one of those funny words that doesn’t exist in usage in the contrary, hence why we only use ‘ill-gotten’. In British English, it should be ‘received’ or ‘became’ or the like.

’Got’ is the past tense of ‘get’. My memory of grammar is hazy but I think ‘gotten’ is the past participle, stand to be corrected.

You wouldn’t say I gotten good at something, you would say I became good at something. I’m actually doubting whether ‘became good’ is acceptable but it is certainly better than ‘gotten good’.

Likewise, I gotten lots of presents. I was given lots of presents or I received lots of presents.

I think some would say "I had gotten good" though.

[danhibees1875]

This thread has gotten good.

The way the rain waits for you to leave a building before starting. Soaked last night walking home from the pub. :angry:

[Future17]

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I think some would say "I had gotten good" though.

Yeah, "have", "had" and "has" all acceptable words to precede "gotten" per my post and LB's.

[Hibrandenburg]

Things have gotten out of hand. Can we move back to peaves please.

[calumhibee1]

When commentators say that a shot has “just about” crossed the line. Although it has actually crossed the line. If it had just about crossed it then it wouldn’t have quite made it over.

[J-C]

Google on my phone which never works I say "OK google" but jumps into life when someone on the telly says anything that sounds remotely like the same thing, technology is great when it can arsed to work properly.

[heretoday]

Ministers who, while officiating at a funeral, spend time proselytising about Jesus to a captive audience sweltering in uncomfortable summer heat.

It's fair enough if the deceased was particularly religious and his/her family have requested it, but too often it's just for the minister's own gratification it seems.

[Mon Dieu4]

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Ministers who, while officiating at a funeral, spend time proselytising about Jesus to a captive audience sweltering in uncomfortable summer heat.

It's fair enough if the deceased was particularly religious and his/her family have requested it, but too often it's just for the minister's own gratification it seems.

Im with you, will add that when you are gone you are automatically the best person ever, I will be asking for the truth, he was alright but could be a right dick at times

[speedy_gonzales]

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Im with you, will add that when you are gone you are automatically the best person ever, I will be asking for the truth, he was alright but could be a right dick at times

At times? I'd be lucky!
As luck would have it, I was at a funeral during the week for a family member, great guy but liked a peeve. The "humanist" celebrant didn't miss him. I reckon she spent half her oration on his misadventures through his drinking exploits. Perhaps not in keeping with a traditional send off but 100% correct and well received by those in attendance

[CloudSquall]

When someone sends you a message at work asking "have you got 5 minutes for a call?" which is office speak for "I expect you to drop everything you are doing right now for 45 minutes so you can do what I impatiently can't wait for and I'm going to keep you on the phone until it's done"

[McD]

The staff tasked with keeping an eye on the self serve checkouts in supermarkets, who are almost always chatting to a pal, standing with their back to the tills, or rather than coming to sort your minor thing out so you can pay and leave, will stop on the way to help out the old dear by removing the security device from her gin, whilst she’s still got plenty to scan.

And, the pressure pads that you place the scanned items on, which never fail to detect phantom objects, and the next moment are unable to detect the 5kg bag of dog food after it’s been scanned and put down on the pad

[lapsedhibee]

Persistent use of the word 'backstop'.

For the next few months at least we're not a state of the US, so why have we been using their sporting analogies for the last three years? The correct expression would be 'long stop'. Two words and neither of them 'back'.

[Jones28]

Watching Grand Designs on 4OD and you have to wonder if the people that take part have ever actually watched it?

A six month timescale is bonkers short, and they will definitely go over budget.

[The Modfather]

Not sure it’s a pet peeve but my wife sent me a link to story about Drake (who?) getting a tattoo of him walking in front of the Beatles in their abbey road pose as he apparently beat one of their records.

I have of course heard of him, but couldn’t name you any of his songs. So just listened to his top songs on I-tunes. Does it say more about music today when generic dross like Drake, that could be any song in the charts, is beating records set by the Beatles.

[lord bunberry]

When you’re drinking cider with loads of ice in the glass and it constantly drips water from the glass. It happens on holiday when you’re drinking a beer as well. Why does that happen?

[Killiehibbie]

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When you’re drinking cider with loads of ice in the glass and it constantly drips water from the glass. It happens on holiday when you’re drinking a beer as well. Why does that happen?

Condensation.

[Jones28]

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Condensation.

Wrong, it’s because even on holiday life wants to **** on you.

[Killiehibbie]

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Wrong, it’s because even on holiday life wants to **** on you.

Dew might have a point