Pace

**Ozyhibby** · 28-05-2015 08:47 PM

We must try and add some pace to the team over the summer. Motherwell showed tonight why it's so important.

**Smartie** · 28-05-2015 08:49 PM

100% right.

If you take the players with pace out of any team they struggle.

It is 100% the most important thing we need to add for next season.

***Carheenlea*** · 28-05-2015 08:51 PM

We have been crying out for pace for a number of years now. I`m sure this will be addressed by this management team.

***Billy Whizz*** · 28-05-2015 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by Carheenlea

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We have been crying out for pace for a number of years now. I`m sure this will be addressed by this management team.

Should have done it this season, only brought in Boyle in January. Too much tippy tappy football from us at times

**Smartie** · 28-05-2015 09:12 PM

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Should have done it this season, only brought in Boyle in January. Too much tippy tappy football from us at times

It's a bit easy to criticise him for that.

Stubbs needed to add a goalkeeper and cover, at least one centre-back, a right-back, several central midfielders, at least 3 strikers before we even get started on other options out wide etc.

He did add Boyle who was generally a great success when he played.

To expect him to address all of our shortcomings in just 2 transfer windows is plain unrealistic.

Now though, he has a decent platform with many problem positions now sorted. Adding a bit of pace and guile in the final third is the main priority imo (once the futures of the out-of-contract players is sorted).

***One Day Soon*** · 28-05-2015 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

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We must try and add some pace to the team over the summer. Motherwell showed tonight why it's so important.

If we'd had a winger or two with pace I think we'd have been playing Motherwell tonight. It is totally gutting to think how close we came only to have to try and do it all over again.

**ElginHibbie** · 28-05-2015 09:14 PM

I really hope we sign Boyle, he just started to hit good form when he got injured and he could have made the difference in the Rangers games and the semi.

He'll rip the league apart next year if we sign him.

**HoboHarry** · 28-05-2015 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by ElginHibbie

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I really hope we sign Boyle, he just started to hit good form when he got injured and he could have made the difference in the Rangers games and the semi.

He'll rip the league apart next year if we sign him.

You really an Elgin Hibee? Don't live there anymore but that's where I grew up......

**MWHIBBIES** · 28-05-2015 09:18 PM

You'd think it was FIFA the way people go on about pace. I'd have 11 quality players over 11 quick ones.

**ElginHibbie** · 28-05-2015 09:19 PM

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You really an Elgin Hibee? Don't live there anymore but that's where I grew up......

I am indeed, go see City most weeks as supporting Hibs hasn't been punishment enough these last few years

***bingo70*** · 28-05-2015 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by ElginHibbie

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I really hope we sign Boyle, he just started to hit good form when he got injured and he could have made the difference in the Rangers games and the semi.

He'll rip the league apart next year if we sign him.

I'm not convinced by Boyle yet. He had a few good games towards the end of the season but I think people are getting a bit carried away, imo he's pretty average although he does have potential.

I wouldn't mind him being signed as a squad player but I hope we sign two better out and out wingers.

**Smartie** · 28-05-2015 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

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You'd think it was FIFA the way people go on about pace. I'd 11 quality players over 11 quick ones.

I wouldn't. You end up with tidy, tippy-tappy passing and no cutting edge.

11 quick players, 11 tricky players, 11 big players - all make hopeless one-dimensional TEAMS.

You need a bit of everything in there. We have quality players who can pass the ball, we have a finisher, we have big and strong defenders. What we lack is pace.

You don't need it everywhere but 1 or 2 quick players add another dimension to a team's attacking play and our team would be miles better off with it in there (see the positive impact that a fairly limited all-round but very pacy player like Boyle made for us).

**ElginHibbie** · 28-05-2015 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by bingo70

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I'm not convinced by Boyle yet. He had a few good games towards the end of the season but I think people are getting a bit carried away, imo he's pretty average although he does have potential.

I wouldn't mind him being signed as a squad player but I hope we sign two better out and out wingers.

Yeah, two wingers sounds right to me, Boyle can play on the wing or as a striker which is useful but we need a proper plan b which wingers should give us

**marleyhib** · 28-05-2015 09:38 PM

Hope we sign Boyle, agree with OP - more pace please

**MWHIBBIES** · 28-05-2015 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by Smartie

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I wouldn't. You end up with tidy, tippy-tappy passing and no cutting edge.

11 quick players, 11 tricky players, 11 big players - all make hopeless one-dimensional TEAMS.

You need a bit of everything in there. We have quality players who can pass the ball, we have a finisher, we have big and strong defenders. What we lack is pace.

You don't need it everywhere but 1 or 2 quick players add another dimension to a team's attacking play and our team would be miles better off with it in there (see the positive impact that a fairly limited all-round but very pacy player like Boyle made for us).

Pace wouldn't have made a difference in 9/10 of our games this season, pace does nothing when teams are sitting on their 18 yard line defending all game, it is brilliant in open games where both teams are attacking.

Obviously pace is nice to have but you don't need pace to run with the ball and penetrate teams, you need quality.

**Ozyhibby** · 28-05-2015 09:41 PM

I really hope we get better than Boyle.

***Leith_Hibee*** · 28-05-2015 09:47 PM

Scouts at youth level are obsessed by pace...you also need skill and a football brain.
For me the best attribute for any footballer is balance...I give you Russell Latapy.

**Stokesy's on fire** · 28-05-2015 10:22 PM

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I am indeed, go see City most weeks as supporting Hibs hasn't been punishment enough these last few years

Sic Itur as Astra

There's more than one a Elgin hibee here!

**HoboHarry** · 28-05-2015 10:44 PM

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Sic Itur as Astra

There's more than one a Elgin hibee here!

If you can't remember how to spell that properly you must not have grown up in the educated New Elgin area. Maybe Bishopmill or South Lesmurdie?......

Sic Itur ad Astra

**~~Peevemor~~** · 29-05-2015 05:32 AM

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Sic Itur as Astra

There's more than one a Elgin hibee here!

My mum was from Forres. Does that count?

***NorthNorfolkHFC*** · 29-05-2015 06:09 AM

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It's a bit easy to criticise him for that.

Stubbs needed to add a goalkeeper and cover, at least one centre-back, a right-back, several central midfielders, at least 3 strikers before we even get started on other options out wide etc.

He did add Boyle who was generally a great success when he played.

To expect him to address all of our shortcomings in just 2 transfer windows is plain unrealistic.

Now though, he has a decent platform with many problem positions now sorted. Adding a bit of pace and guile in the final third is the main priority imo (once the futures of the out-of-contract players is sorted).

Pace doesn't need to be limited to wingers though. Aside of goalkeeper we should have been signing quick, strong athletic players.

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**Geo_1875** · 29-05-2015 06:26 AM

I agree that pace is important. Who wouldn't love to have a winger as fast as Alan O'Brien? What is more important is having midfielders who can spot and play a pass quickly. This allows even medium paced wingers and forwards to get through and behind packed defences.

**Ronniekirk** · 29-05-2015 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

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Should have done it this season, only brought in Boyle in January. Too much tippy tappy football from us at times

fair point Billy , butcher had identified this issue and said he had players lined up to come to us with pace but Stubbs came in later to a different league so no doubt the quality players with pace wouldn't of been available to us at that point
Can you think of anyone that was around then or January that might of been a realistic target for us

**Stokesy's on fire** · 30-05-2015 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by HoboHarry

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If you can't remember how to spell that properly you must not have grown up in the educated New Elgin area. Maybe Bishopmill or South Lesmurdie?......

Sic Itur ad Astra

I blame iphone for that!

I'm from none of those places lucky enough. Elgin has a fine chipper

**Stokesy's on fire** · 30-05-2015 12:26 AM

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My mum was from Forres. Does that count?

No!!

***blackpoolhibs*** · 30-05-2015 08:14 AM

I read yesterday that Dundee have offered Boyle a contract, can't remember where i read it?

***3pm*** · 30-05-2015 08:17 AM

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I read yesterday that Dundee have offered Boyle a contract, can't remember where i read it?

I am surprised that was in 'bored housewives'.

**FranckSuzy** · 30-05-2015 08:21 AM

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I am surprised that was in 'bored housewives'.

***CockneyRebel*** · 30-05-2015 08:23 AM

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I read yesterday that Dundee have offered Boyle a contract, can't remember where i read it?

I read it too - must have been on here somewhere or Hibs.net. No mention of source at all so it could be just a rumour (although I understand that doesn't happen much on here).