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    Jack Harper

    Did anyone else see what under 19'a Scotland coach, Sbragia, said? Despite him playing for Real Madrid, he is too small (6ft 1 or something) and not a runner. Says he wants powerful hard workers over talent because it's all about winning.

    There's a reason we have a national team lacking quality and this is why. Talent can't develop because the national coaches want a tall runner. Despite the lad signing a 5 year deal with Real in 2012 and being tipped as their top youngster he can't get into the Scotland under 19 team because he won't chase lost causes.

    Edit: also heard he's a hibby,not that it matters in this case.
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    Grafters and runners. Deary me.

    In my opinion he is taking the easy road - instead of developing the boys and finding a way to fit a "luxury" player in he is going for grafters to grind out points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameronw-hfc View Post
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    Did anyone else see what under 19'a Scotland coach, Sbragia, said? Despite him playing for Real Madrid, he is too small (6ft 1 or something) and not a runner. Says he wants powerful hard workers over talent because it's all about winning.

    There's a reason we have a national team lacking quality and this is why. Talent can't develop because the national coaches want a tall runner. Despite the lad signing a 5 year deal with Real in 2012 and being tipped as their top youngster he can't get into the Scotland under 19 team because he won't chase lost causes.

    Edit: also heard he's a hibby,not that it matters in this case.
    Surprised he would say that. Do you have a link?

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    Should be sacked for that imho. Surely part of his job should be to bring on young talent as much as results.

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    What a trumpet. Mark Wotte should be all over this ****.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tory Hibby View Post
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    Surprised he would say that. Do you have a link?
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3009302/Real-Madrid-starlet-Jack-Harper-snubbed-Scotland-19s-small.html

    He's gone for a physical side, rather than a luxury player apparently.

    Short-term-ism. Let's no try to better our football, let's make sure we can be physical. It's no the right attitude in my opinion.

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    Given a 5 year contract by Real Madrid and not wanted by Scotland ... seriously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE View Post
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    Given a 5 year contract by Real Madrid and not wanted by Scotland ... seriously?

    Makes ye wonder right enough....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nando™ View Post
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    http://sport.stv.tv/football/interna...and-u19-coach/

    What a trumpet. Mark Wotte should be all over this ****.
    Brian Maclair now.

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    Not remotely surprised by this. This sort of attitude still stinks up Scottish football to a horrifying degree, which is why we'll be a backwater for the forseeable future.

    Very, very sad...
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    I find that remarkable. Unbelievable really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tory Hibby View Post
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    Brian Maclair now.
    What happened to Wotte?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nando™ View Post
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    http://sport.stv.tv/football/interna...and-u19-coach/

    What a trumpet. Mark Wotte should be all over this ****.


    As should Gordon Strachan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nando™ View Post
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    What happened to Wotte?
    Left the role a few months back.

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    No surprise at all. So many coaches is this country dismissing real talent. Some couldnt tell there @rse from elbow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tory Hibby View Post
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    I find that remarkable. Unbelievable really.
    As in you think it's made up? Or as in unbelievable that he's came out with such crap.

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    Setting Scotland back a few decades in terms of playing style imo,

    You wouldn't see Holland knock back Van Persie or Portugal with Ronaldo (the two players he's been compared with). Only in Scotland...

    "sorry son, your too talented to be hoofing the ball up the park "

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    Welcome to Scotland, please set your watch to 1971.

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    Think what he meant was for the game coming up he needed bigger faster players. He pointed out that this was just a one off as well

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    *Cringe*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billychaotic182 View Post
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    Think what he meant was for the game coming up he needed bigger faster players. He pointed out that this was just a one off as well
    Yep, I think there was a bit more context around what he said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billychaotic182 View Post
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    Think what he meant was for the game coming up he needed bigger faster players. He pointed out that this was just a one off as well
    Why does he need "bigger faster players?"

    So Messi your no playing this week, we really need bigger faster players for this game. Don't worry though, it's a one off!!! 😂😂

    Sorry but for me it's a ridiculous statement!

    Edit.. Meaning him not you by the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thecat23 View Post
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    Why does he need "bigger faster players?"

    So Messi your no playing this week, we really need bigger faster players for this game. Don't worry though, it's a one off!!! 😂😂

    Sorry but for me it's a ridiculous statement!

    Edit.. Meaning him not you by the way.
    He wasn't talking about Messi though was he? It was about his choices for this squad.

    There's many a Hibs player in any case that we might relate to.

    Would you have chosen to play Benji or Zemamma at Inverness midweek in January or would there be an argument to look at playing more physical runners?

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    He wasn't talking about Messi though was he? It was about his choices for this squad.

    There's many a Hibs player in any case that we might relate to.

    Would you have chosen to play Benji or Zemamma at Inverness midweek in January or would there be an argument to look at playing more physical runners?
    It doesn't matter who he was speaking about. I'm sorry Andy when someone has bags of talent and would improve the first 11 then you play them.

    All this "we can't play so and so because they are to small" is so far in the past its bordering caveman stuff. I'd expect Butcher to come out with that line if I'm honest. Stubbs for me would play his best 11 and let the other team worry about us.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thecat23 View Post
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    It doesn't matter who he was speaking about. I'm sorry Andy when someone has bags of talent and would improve the first 11 then you play them.

    All this "we can't play so and so because they are to small" is so far in the past its bordering caveman stuff. I'd expect Butcher to come out with that line if I'm honest. Stubbs for me would play his best 11 and let the other team worry about us.


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    You guys are trying to make a general point about this though.

    He was discussing a particular player for a particular squad.

    He didn't say he was too small anyway, he explained a number of reasons why he didn't think he would improve the team for the game.

    I presume people have seen a lot of this guy and aren't just making assumptions in where he is development wise based on the Real Madrid name?

    To the last point, Stubbs was pretty heavily criticised this week for not changing our style and formation for Rangers. John Hughes didn't have a plan B when playing through Zemamma and Miller didn't work.

    I'm delighted we have such strong philosophy about just playing talented players regardless of work rate or how they fit a team or opposition.
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    Grafters and runners. Deary me.

    In my opinion he is taking the easy road - instead of developing the boys and finding a way to fit a "luxury" player in he is going for grafters to grind out points.
    Cruyff had an interesting take on this: "luxury players? It's the bad players that are the luxury" the more things change...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy74 View Post
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    You guys are trying to make a general point about this though.

    He was discussing a particular player for a particular squad.

    He didn't say he was too small anyway, he explained a number of reasons why he didn't think he would improve the team for the game.

    I presume people have seen a lot of this guy and aren't just making assumptions in where he is development wise based on the Real Madrid name?

    To the last point, Stubbs was pretty heavily criticised this week for not changing our style and formation for Rangers. John Hughes didn't have a plan B when playing through Zemamma and Miller didn't work.

    I'm delighted we have such strong philosophy about just playing talented players regardless of work rate or how they fit a team or opposition.
    If he's not fit then of course I wouldn't play him. Have you seen a lot of this lad to say he's not good enough to start?

    Just sounds to me he's admitting the lad is a great player but isn't playing him! Maybe more too it I've no idea but I find it very odd.


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    I don't think in this instance that Sbragia has said too much wrong. By the age of 21 football should be about winning, especially at the level we are talking about here.

    What concerns me is that the sentiments Sbragia has expressed are still rife in youth football in this country and too many young players are caught up in a win at all costs mentality when their skills should be being developed. Mark Wotte was very keen to move away from 'runners and big lads' and look at developing a technical youth set up across the levels. Sadly he was shown the door before being allowed to see his plan through.
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    As in you think it's made up? Or as in unbelievable that he's came out with such crap.
    The second option. I just don't get why he would say that. Should probably be relieved of his duties for it as it just goes against everything I thought we were striving for in this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tory Hibby View Post
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    The second option. I just don't get why he would say that. Should probably be relieved of his duties for it as it just goes against everything I thought we were striving for in this country.
    My thoughts exactly!


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