Pyramid Play-offs Watch

[danhibees1875]

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This is why Scotland should relay be looking at 2 professional top divisions with 2 or 3 regionalied lower leagues.

Too many clubs in the top league system for a country our size. I'd take it down to at least 2 leagues of 16. Play each other twice, and expand the league cup to include a group stage.

[eastterrace]

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Too many clubs in the top league system for a country our size. I'd take it down to at least 2 leagues of 16. Play each other twice, and expand the league cup to include a group stage.

okay what clubs will we get rid off then , just tell their fans to move on and support someone else.

[Billy Whizz]

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okay what clubs will we get rid off then , just tell their fans to move on and support someone else.

They'd play in Regional leagues, which makes sense for part-time clubs

[danhibees1875]

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okay what clubs will we get rid off then , just tell their fans to move on and support someone else.

I'd start by getting rid of east fife, and you would tell the fans to support hibs of course!

Seriously though, they'd join the lower league regionalised system. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

[eastterrace]

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I'd start by getting rid of east fife, and you would tell the fans to support hibs of course!

Seriously though, they'd join the lower league regionalised system. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

now east fife thats a great idea, but i get what your saying.

[Phil D. Rolls]

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Joking aside do you think failing to gain promotion will effect our crowds? I think we may lose another 1k watching the crap we play against.

I'd imagine it might, it would really depend on how we start next season. A good run early on, a bit of distance between the challengers and the crowds would flock back.

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No

Fine, it's just that some people saw Spartans as a babe that should be killed before they do damage to our support.

[Thecat23]

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I'd imagine it might, it would really depend on how we start next season. A good run early on, a bit of distance between the challengers and the crowds would flock back.



Fine, it's just that some people saw Spartans as a babe that should be killed before they do damage to our support.

Yeah maybe! Saying that we went on a good run this season and we are scraping just over 8k. With Hearts going up and if they start well you may get younger kids going there instead. Course that's just a possibility but shows how important getting up really is.


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[Eyrie]

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Too many clubs in the top league system for a country our size. I'd take it down to at least 2 leagues of 16. Play each other twice, and expand the league cup to include a group stage.

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okay what clubs will we get rid off then , just tell their fans to move on and support someone else.

Sixteen teams is only 30 league games, and half the fun of the cup is the knockout format. Instead we should have two leagues of twenty, giving 38 games.

Top league would be Aberdeen, Alloa, Cowdenbeath, Dundee, Dumbarton, Dundee United, Falkirk, Hamilton, Hearts, Hibernian, Inverness CT, Kilmarnock, Livingston, Motherwell, Queen Of The South, Partick Thistle, Raith Rovers, Ross County, St Johnstone and St Mirren.

Second tier would be Airdrie, Albion Rovers, Ayr United, Annan Athletic, Arbroath, Berwick Rangers, Brechin City, Clyde, Dunfermline, East Fife, East Stirlingshire, Elgin City, Forfar, Montrose, Morton, Peterhead, Queens Park, Stenhousemuir, Stirling Albion and Stranraer.

Problem solved.

[nairn hibee]

Any club from Arbroath northwards would end up in the highland league if they lost the playoffs,it said in our local paper that brora had asked if they could refuse to take part in the playoffs but were told they had too .interesting to see how they are going to throw the games .

[Hermit Crab]

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Any club from Arbroath northwards would end up in the highland league if they lost the playoffs,it said in our local paper that brora had asked if they could refuse to take part in the playoffs but were told they had too .interesting to see how they are going to throw the games .

They can surely forfeit both games resulting in a 3-0 loss twice (6-0 on agg)? Leaving edinburgh City to take on Montrose assuming they are bottom.

[HIBEES 4 LIFE]

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Easthouses could be playing in the lowland league next season

I wouldn't think they are even close to being eligible to play in the Lowland League, despite some improvements made to their ground. Its still a significant distance from the required standard

[easty]

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Sixteen teams is only 30 league games, and half the fun of the cup is the knockout format. Instead we should have two leagues of twenty, giving 38 games.

Top league would be Aberdeen, Alloa, Cowdenbeath, Dundee, Dumbarton, Dundee United, Falkirk, Hamilton, Hearts, Hibernian, Inverness CT, Kilmarnock, Livingston, Motherwell, Queen Of The South, Partick Thistle, Raith Rovers, Ross County, St Johnstone and St Mirren.

Second tier would be Airdrie, Albion Rovers, Ayr United, Annan Athletic, Arbroath, Berwick Rangers, Brechin City, Clyde, Dunfermline, East Fife, East Stirlingshire, Elgin City, Forfar, Montrose, Morton, Peterhead, Queens Park, Stenhousemuir, Stirling Albion and Stranraer.

Problem solved.

You'll never get the top teams to agree to a format where they get less games against the other big teams. Getting Celtc at home only once a season instead of twice, instead they get a home game vs Raith or Livvy, and wheres the money in that? That's the reason we won't get bigger leagues.

[Eyrie]

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You'll never get the top teams to agree to a format where they get less games against the other big teams. Getting Celtc at home only once a season instead of twice, instead they get a home game vs Raith or Livvy, and wheres the money in that? That's the reason we won't get bigger leagues.

OK, you've convinced me. Four leagues of ten it is.

Aberdeen, Dundee, Dundee United, Hamilton, Inverness CT, Kilmarnock, Motherwell, Partick Thistle, St Johnstone and St Mirren.

Alloa, Cowdenbeath, Dumbarton, Falkirk, Hearts, Hibernian, Livingston, Queen Of The South, Raith Rovers and Ross County.

Airdrie, Ayr United, Brechin City, Dunfermline, Forfar, Morton, Peterhead, Stenhousemuir, Stirling Albion and Stranraer

Albion Rovers, Annan Athletic, Arbroath, Berwick Rangers, Clyde, East Fife, East Stirlingshire, Elgin City, Montrose and Queens Park.

[CockneyRebel]

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OK, you've convinced me. Four leagues of ten it is.

Aberdeen, Dundee, Dundee United, Hamilton, Inverness CT, Kilmarnock, Motherwell, Partick Thistle, St Johnstone and St Mirren.

Alloa, Cowdenbeath, Dumbarton, Falkirk, Hearts, Hibernian, Livingston, Queen Of The South, Raith Rovers and Ross County.

Airdrie, Ayr United, Brechin City, Dunfermline, Forfar, Morton, Peterhead, Stenhousemuir, Stirling Albion and Stranraer

Albion Rovers, Annan Athletic, Arbroath, Berwick Rangers, Clyde, East Fife, East Stirlingshire, Elgin City, Montrose and Queens Park.

Where would Sellick and THE play?

[Glory Lurker]

Vested interests will stop any sort of radical change to the way the game is set up in Scotland. All short term gain (or at least short term avoidance of loss), but unless the system is totally shaken up senior football here is deid in the long term.

[McSwanky]

A good start would be to make only the top 2 leagues national. Anything below that should be regional. Why would any of the owners of the likes of Ayr, Stranraer, Peterhead, Elgin, Berwick etc etc vote against that? Less travel time and cost, more chance of local 'derbies' but still the opportunity to progress if that's what they want to go for. Personally I can't see a downside.

[Eyrie]

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Where would Sellick and THE play?

I'm relieved someone's paying attention.

And the answer is who cares?

[Waxy]

We already do regional. Highland league Lowland league.

[AndyM_1875]

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I'm relieved someone's paying attention.

And the answer is who cares?

They can play each other 30 times a year so that their dumb as rocks fans get their sectarian fix.
As long as they're miles away from us I really couldn't care less.

[Waxy]

Anyone know when the playoffs are? Two legs or a single match at a neutral venue?

[AndyM_1875]

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Anyone know when the playoffs are? Two legs or a single match at a neutral venue?

Two Legs.
1st one is at Meadowbank - 25 April 3pm
2nd the week later up in Brora

Winner goes on to play another 2 legs against Club 42 (probably Montrose).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32214448

[theonlywayisup]

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Two Legs.
1st one is at Meadowbank - 25 April 3pm
2nd the week later up in Brora

Winner goes on to play another 2 legs against Club 42 (probably Montrose).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32214448

Finished 1-1. City were 1 up after Deniran scored after 58 mins. The Rangers scored equalised after 79 mins.

Attendance was 908.

Edit: The winner will play Montrose.

[Nutmegged]

Two leages of 16 would be perfect but 30 games just isn't enough so we have to be creative

play each other twice, after 30 games split into four groups of four, play each other a further twice giving you 36 gamss

Premiership:

Team 1 - Champs CL Football
Team 2 - Runners Up EL Football
Team 3 - Europa League Play-Off vs Team 5
Team 4
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Team 5 - Europa League Play-Off vs Team 3
Team 6
Team 7
Team 8
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Team 9
Team 10
Team 11
Team 12 - Relegation Play-Off vs Team 14
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Team 13
Team 14 - Relegation Play-Off vs Team 12
Team 15 - Relegated
Team 16 - Relegated

This way every split section would have a consequence which should keep interest high

with the Euro Play-Off spot, if any of the top 3 win the Scottish Cup then Team 4 would replace Team 3 in the Play-Off

CHAMPIONSHIP

Team 1 - Champs Promoted
Team 2 - Runners Up Promoted
Team 3 - Play-Off vs Team 6
Team 4 - Play-Off vs Team 5
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Team 5 - Play-Off vs Team 4
Team 6 - Play-Off vs Team 3
Team 7
Team 8
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Team 9
Team 10
Team 11
Team 12 - Relegation Play-Off with the Runner Up of High/Lowland League
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Team 13
Team 14 - Relegation Play-Off with best placed Runner Up om Highland/Lowland
Team 15 - Automatic Relegation
Team 16 - Automatic Relegation

[exHIBition]

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Two leages of 16 would be perfect but 30 games just isn't enough so we have to be creative

play each other twice, after 30 games split into four groups of four, play each other a further twice giving you 36 gamss

Premiership:

Team 1 - Champs CL Football
Team 2 - Runners Up EL Football
Team 3 - Europa League Play-Off vs Team 5
Team 4
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Team 5 - Europa League Play-Off vs Team 3
Team 6
Team 7
Team 8
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Team 9
Team 10
Team 11
Team 12 - Relegation Play-Off vs Team 14
-------------------------
Team 13
Team 14 - Relegation Play-Off vs Team 12
Team 15 - Relegated
Team 16 - Relegated

This way every split section would have a consequence which should keep interest high

with the Euro Play-Off spot, if any of the top 3 win the Scottish Cup then Team 4 would replace Team 3 in the Play-Off

CHAMPIONSHIP

Team 1 - Champs Promoted
Team 2 - Runners Up Promoted
Team 3 - Play-Off vs Team 6
Team 4 - Play-Off vs Team 5
----------------------------------------
Team 5 - Play-Off vs Team 4
Team 6 - Play-Off vs Team 3
Team 7
Team 8
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Team 9
Team 10
Team 11
Team 12 - Relegation Play-Off with the Runner Up of High/Lowland League
--------------------------------------
Team 13
Team 14 - Relegation Play-Off with best placed Runner Up om Highland/Lowland
Team 15 - Automatic Relegation
Team 16 - Automatic Relegation

Your system is very much flawed.

For instance, if Premiership Team 7 beat Premiership Team 10 in the cup final then team 7 will get the 'Cup Winners' Europa league place. That leaves a strange situation where the team finishing 4th are overlooked completely when it comes to the other Europa League place. The teams that finish 3rd and 5th play-off. How can this be considered in any way fair? By finishing 5th a team has a chance of earning a place in the Europa League when the team that finishes 4th does not. Based on last season's finishing spots this would have been the case as St Johnstone in 6th spot won the cup. It could turn out that Falkirk win it this year an the situation would be the same.

Same at the bottom. The team that finishes 13th has no chance of being relegated yet the team finishing 12th does in both leagues?

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

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Your system is very much flawed.

For instance, if Premiership Team 7 beat Premiership Team 10 in the cup final then team 7 will get the 'Cup Winners' Europa league place. That leaves a strange situation where the team finishing 4th are overlooked completely when it comes to the other Europa League place. The teams that finish 3rd and 5th play-off. How can this be considered in any way fair? By finishing 5th a team has a chance of earning a place in the Europa League when the team that finishes 4th does not. Based on last season's finishing spots this would have been the case as St Johnstone in 6th spot won the cup. It could turn out that Falkirk win it this year an the situation would be the same.

Same at the bottom. The team that finishes 13th has no chance of being relegated yet the team finishing 12th does in both leagues?

Phew, I'm glad it isnae just me, looked at that set up a few times and did a bit of head scratching.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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Two leages of 16 would be perfect but 30 games just isn't enough so we have to be creative

play each other twice, after 30 games split into four groups of four, play each other a further twice giving you 36 gamss

Premiership:

Team 1 - Champs CL Football
Team 2 - Runners Up EL Football
Team 3 - Europa League Play-Off vs Team 5
Team 4
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Team 5 - Europa League Play-Off vs Team 3
Team 6
Team 7
Team 8
------------------------
Team 9
Team 10
Team 11
Team 12 - Relegation Play-Off vs Team 14
-------------------------
Team 13
Team 14 - Relegation Play-Off vs Team 12
Team 15 - Relegated
Team 16 - Relegated

This way every split section would have a consequence which should keep interest high

with the Euro Play-Off spot, if any of the top 3 win the Scottish Cup then Team 4 would replace Team 3 in the Play-Off

CHAMPIONSHIP

Team 1 - Champs Promoted
Team 2 - Runners Up Promoted
Team 3 - Play-Off vs Team 6
Team 4 - Play-Off vs Team 5
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Team 5 - Play-Off vs Team 4
Team 6 - Play-Off vs Team 3
Team 7
Team 8
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Team 9
Team 10
Team 11
Team 12 - Relegation Play-Off with the Runner Up of High/Lowland League
--------------------------------------
Team 13
Team 14 - Relegation Play-Off with best placed Runner Up om Highland/Lowland
Team 15 - Automatic Relegation
Team 16 - Automatic Relegation

Proof that Neil Doncaster has a user ID on Hibs.net?

[lucky]

At least he is trying, yes it needs tweaked but two leagues of 16 is a start.

[CallumLaidlaw]

A 18 team Premier League, 12 team Championship with 2 ten team regional leagues below it.

34 league games, increase the league cup with maybe regional groups (10 groups of 5 with winners and 6 best runners up qualifying for last 16) to give TV their extra derbies, and give the league cup a european place again to add more value to it.

[JimBHibees]

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You'll never get the top teams to agree to a format where they get less games against the other big teams. Getting Celtc at home only once a season instead of twice, instead they get a home game vs Raith or Livvy, and wheres the money in that? That's the reason we won't get bigger leagues.

Sometimes the money argument needs to be parked and the general well being and development nature of the football in this country seen as the imperative. There would be a more competitive league IMO as teams like Aberdeen can go on a decent run and be near Celtc at the top. If you take the most recent 3 games between the teams out of it they would be neck and neck.

[greenlex]

Tyson leagues of 20. Home and away once is 38 games. 3 up 3 down. Pyramid below. No splits no complications.There are no meaningless games. If you are safe you blood youngsters.