Butcher watch

***CockneyRebel*** · 01-03-2015 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Zorro

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Sorry to depress you. I have a modicum of football knowledge but as I've already said on this thread I was wrong. I wasn't the only one. It was painful watching what he did to our club, and painful being wrong. But while I'm certainly no footballing genius I don't think that I or others who made the same mistake are all lacking in knowledge of the game. Anyhoo, just glad we're moving in the right direction again.

After the success Butcher had at Caley Thistle (and it was more than just one lucky season) I think everyone who wanted him at ER could be forgiven for thinking he would be an excellent choice to blow the cobwebs away and kick a few archies. Even acquaintances that support other teams (especially jambos) were hoping we wouldn't get him as they also thought he would be a good signing. Plenty of managers with good cv's have gone on to failure and vice versa. I wasn't too keen on Stubbs coming here so at least I'm consistent. I just think that with most supporters it is just a gut feeling we go by - sometimes it pans out sometimes not. In the meantime GGTTH.

***CockneyRebel*** · 01-03-2015 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by zlatan

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Of course not. Hearts and Rangers as well.

I think you just proved my point.

**Holmesdale Hibs** · 01-03-2015 02:48 PM

I remember someone posting a link on here to his commentary on us beating the old huns in semi final penalty shoot out. IIRC, the consensus was he was a good commentator that made some insightful comments. I listened to some of the game yesterday and thought he was decent enough.

He was also a reasonably popular choice at the time. As well as being gutted/embarrassed/angry at what he did, I'm still genuinely shocked at how badly he got it wrong.

**Pretty Boy** · 01-03-2015 02:59 PM

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I remember someone posting a link on here to his commentary on us beating the old huns in semi final penalty shoot out. IIRC, the consensus was he was a good commentator that made some insightful comments. I listened to some of the game yesterday and thought he was decent enough.

He was also a reasonably popular choice at the time. As well as being gutted/embarrassed/angry at what he did, I'm still genuinely shocked at how badly he got it wrong.

I think Butcher understands the game. He's been involved in pro football for 30+ years so I'd be shocked if he hadn't picked anything up in that time.

I also think he has proven that with the right players and in the right environment he'll do ok. See Inverness and to a lesser extent Motherwell. His biggest issue at Hibs was not seeing what was staring him in the face: we didn't have the players to play the style he wanted to. Hoofing long balls into the corner when you have pacy strikers and wide players will work, it's crude but effective. Hoofing it into corners when you have guys like James Collins and Paul Heffernan up front and a mentally shattered Alex Harris on one wing and A N other out of position on the other is madness. The situations with the likes of McPake and Thomson was also bizarre. 2 guys who certainly had their best days behind them but would show a bit fight and heart left out whilst we persisted with the Nelsons, McGiverns and Haynes was baffling.

I'm not sure if it was stubborness, a genuine inability to identify problems and solutions or a complete '**** you we'll do it my way' mindset but he got it so wrong at Hibs it's unreal. The attitude of both him and Malpas since has just intesified the feeling they were one of the biggest mistakes the club made. At least one of them suggested they deserved more time and weren't given a chance. Delusional.

**--------** · 01-03-2015 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by zlatan

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Of course not. Hearts and Rangers as well.

AND Celtic.

AND Dirty Leeds United.

**#FromTheCapital** · 01-03-2015 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

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I think Butcher understands the game. He's been involved in pro football for 30+ years so I'd be shocked if he hadn't picked anything up in that time.

I also think he has proven that with the right players and in the right environment he'll do ok. See Inverness and to a lesser extent Motherwell. His biggest issue at Hibs was not seeing what was staring him in the face: we didn't have the players to play the style he wanted to. Hoofing long balls into the corner when you have pacy strikers and wide players will work, it's crude but effective. Hoofing it into corners when you have guys like James Collins and Paul Heffernan up front and a mentally shattered Alex Harris on one wing and A N other out of position on the other is madness. The situations with the likes of McPake and Thomson was also bizarre. 2 guys who certainly had their best days behind them but would show a bit fight and heart left out whilst we persisted with the Nelsons, McGiverns and Haynes was baffling.

I'm not sure if it was stubborness, a genuine inability to identify problems and solutions or a complete '**** you we'll do it my way' mindset but he got it so wrong at Hibs it's unreal. The attitude of both him and Malpas since has just intesified the feeling they were one of the biggest mistakes the club made. At least one of them suggested they deserved more time and weren't given a chance. Delusional.

Excellent post. Nail on the head.

***Winston Ingram*** · 01-03-2015 06:50 PM

Ipswich lost today

GIRUY

**zlatan** · 01-03-2015 08:33 PM

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AND Celtic.

AND Dirty Leeds United.

Not whilst sexy Sol is there

**Pete** · 01-03-2015 09:00 PM

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Not whilst sexy Sol is there

His defending yesterday against Watford anything but sexy.

***HibbyAndy*** · 01-03-2015 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by Winston Ingram

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Ipswich lost today

GIRUY

Norwich for automatic promotion anaw GIFRUY BUTCHER.

**Mixu62** · 01-03-2015 10:51 PM

Anyone know where his famous garden is, so we can "re-locate" it to Leith (tartan army at Wembley style)? After all, we bloody paid for it!!

**21.05.2016** · 02-03-2015 07:51 AM

Expert panellist? haahahahahaa don't make me laugh! The man is a shameless, useless clown of the highest order!

Don't care what he's doing nowadays anyway, I'm just glad he's nowhere near ER!

**greenpaper55** · 02-03-2015 08:16 AM

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Expert panellist? haahahahahaa don't make me laugh! The man is a shameless, useless clown of the highest order!

Don't care what he's doing nowadays anyway, I'm just glad he's nowhere near ER!

The one thing he's not doing is managing a football club and it's likely to stay that way for a long time.

**AndyM_1875** · 02-03-2015 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by Winston Ingram

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Ipswich lost today

GIRUY

That story you told me still gives me the shudders.

Hibs are playing a bounce game against the U20s and Kevin Thomson takes a ball in the midfield and ghosts past his marker before playing a gorgeous slide rule pass to Heffernan (I know!) in the box which he slams past the keeper. Butcher appears all red faced on the sidelines going utterly nuts screaming at the players "Put it in the corners, we need throw ins and corners!!"

No wonder Thommo hated him.

**emerald green** · 02-03-2015 09:51 AM

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The one thing he's not doing is managing a football club and it's likely to stay that way for a long time.

That's because he's been found out after the damage he caused at Hibs, even though he was sacked at several other clubs before rolling up at ER on the back of his one period of success at ICT, (which remains a bit of a mystery to me).

I think clubs will need to think long and hard before appointing that clown, plus his eejit sidekick is now "director of football" (lol) at Raith Rovers. Would Malpas walk away from that job to team up with "El Tel" again? Perhaps only at Ibrokes?

**NadeAteMyLunch!** · 07-03-2015 09:49 PM

On Sportscene tonight. Will be previewing the Hibs game shortly

**Hibtastic** · 07-03-2015 09:52 PM

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On Sportscene tonight. Will be previewing the Hibs game shortly

Wonder what pat nevin thinks of him?

hfc rd · 07-03-2015 09:53 PM

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On Sportscene tonight. Will be previewing the Hibs game shortly

Switched it off when I saw him on tonight. Prepare to bore yourself to death listening to him.

**NadeAteMyLunch!** · 07-03-2015 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by Hibtastic

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Wonder what pat nevin thinks of him?

Did their paths cross at Motherwell at any point? Regardless I would imagine he thinks he's an absolute bell end. Like the rest of us

**Boyle89** · 07-03-2015 10:02 PM

I'd love to punch him in the face.

**ScottM1875** · 07-03-2015 10:05 PM

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I'd love to punch him in the face.

I second that.

***Northernhibee*** · 07-03-2015 10:06 PM

I'll give him a hoof in the hee haws just for variety then.

**itslegaltender** · 07-03-2015 10:14 PM

Man is ****ing shameless. Declaring his love for Rangers at his heart. Should never been within 100 miles of Easter Road.

**Borderhibbie76** · 07-03-2015 10:15 PM

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Man is ****ing shameless. Declaring his love for Rangers at his heart. Should never been within 100 miles of Easter Road.

Tarting himself for the hunnery job...shameless joke of a man with a face you would never tire of punching

***andrew70*** · 07-03-2015 10:17 PM

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Man is ****ing shameless. Declaring his love for Rangers at his heart. Should never been within 100 miles of Easter Road.

The man is a ****bag. Beating Rangers in the play-offs would be amazing, beating them when managed by that **** would be a dream.

I hate him! The atmosphere when he does return to ER promises to be interesting.

**scuttle** · 07-03-2015 10:18 PM

Was having a nice evening until I saw Butcher and heard that squinty eyed muppet mention 1902 again. Blood pressure through the roof now

**The_Exile** · 07-03-2015 10:20 PM

He actually gave me the boak tonight, then I thought of Stubbsy and a Scott Allan assist and I calmed down immediately. Think I might be allergic to Butcher.