Hands On Hibs - No Substance. Unhelpful Voice

[lEXO]

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Disgusting. They can ****** off.

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

Can the club not be doing something to silence them?? I get that there's free speech and what not but I'm also pretty sure that you can't just make up lies about folk like they are doing. Pretty sure you can't just fire up posters publicly slating folk either.

[Sergey]

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Can the club not be doing something to silence them?? I get that there's free speech and what not but I'm also pretty sure that you can't just make up lies about folk like they are doing. Pretty sure you can't just fire up posters publicly slating folk either.

I think they've put a banning order on Brad Welsh after he was arrested at the PBS dishing out flyers.

He was certainly prohibited from the ground at the 'beath match.

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

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I think they've put a banning order on Brad Welsh after he was arrested at the PBS dishing out flyers.

He was certainly prohibited from the ground at the 'beath match.

Had heard about an incident at the PBS. Hadn't heard about a banning order though

[Sergey]

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Had heard about an incident at the PBS. Hadn't heard about a banning order though

He posted on Twitter that he had an unwanted ticked (his own) as he was photographed next to a steward who refused him access.

Don't know if that constitutes a banning order, but they clearly refused him entry to ER, and that might go some way in the latest slur against the club.

[Brightside]

I'd support a banning order for anyone spreading this stuff around.

[kano]

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I think they've put a banning order on Brad Welsh after he was arrested at the PBS dishing out flyers.

He was certainly prohibited from the ground at the 'beath match.

You thought wrong... Again. Hibs have not banned Brad Welsh.

[Mikey]

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Do we know who gave HOH their independent financial advice? It would be good if they could come on here and explain their thinking.

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You thought wrong... Again. Hibs have not banned Brad Welsh.

Can you confirm who HOH got their independent financial advice from?

Ta.

[Sergey]

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You thought wrong... Again. Hibs have not banned Brad Welsh.

That's good to hear.

He did post this on Twitter.

[Peevemor]

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Can you confirm who HOH got their independent financial advice from?

Ta.

[basehibby]

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You would hope that this is merely the work of a bitter Yam rather than one of our own

[basehibby]

Got to say I just do NOT get where HoH are coming from.

Petrie & Farmer have rightly come in for criticism after presiding over the club's relegation at just about the worst time imaginable.

HOWEVER - from what I can see the fans have been listened to and the proposal on the table is a direct response to that.

The proposal is to effectively put the club in the hands of the fans - and at a knock down price from what I can see - while using the cash that the sale of that equity in the club generates NOT to compensate the existing owners but to benefit the football team.

Prior to that, the club's debt has apparently been halved as well as being owed now not to the bank but to Farmer - on what I gather are favourable terms for the club - this has had the same effect as Farmer pumping c £5M of his own cash into the club.

So lets do the maths -
the fans are being offered half of Hibs for £2.5M
That would value the club at £5M
The club debt is now worth c £5M
So - ignoring the annual turnover (which I'm sure is usually taken into account when valuing a business) that would mean that if the stadium and East Mains together are worth anything more than £0 then the fans are on a good deal.

Now, I'm no expert in property values but I'm pretty certain that these figures don't just add up to good value - they add up to an EXCELLENT deal for the fans - especially when you consider the money raised has been proposed to be plowed back into the business rather than to compensate the seller as might be expected in a normal business transaction.

Considering all this I just do not see any merit in the objections being raised by HoH. The argument that servicing a debt run up by the football club in the course of it's business is somehow morally wrong is just complete nonsense - the fact that STF is a rich man is neither here nor there in that equation (however, I do agree that the terms of the loan would be pertinent information to any transaction).

I would therefore propose that HoH either come out with a CONVINCING argument as to why this is not a good deal or just screw the nut! And if they can't support it then at least stop throwing their weight in the way of it's being a success.

[Peevemor]

I see BuyHibs are criticising the plan too.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...lans-1-3667697

It's a petty they had nothing to offer since they're so brilliant!

[Beefster]

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I see BuyHibs are criticising the plan too.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...lans-1-3667697

It's a petty they had nothing to offer since they're so brilliant!

Another group trying to dodge irrelevance IMHO.

Did they ever give an update on pledges to date?

[marinello59]

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Another group trying to dodge irrelevance IMHO.

Did they ever give an update on pledges to date?

Yet one of their Directors is backing it. The HSL model is similar to their own and a price has been set as they asked. I guess it really was just another Petrie Out campaign.

EDIT. - It's the Chairman of BuyHibs who is backing the clubs proposals.

[matty_f]

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I see BuyHibs are criticising the plan too.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...lans-1-3667697

It's a petty they had nothing to offer since they're so brilliant!

BuyHibs' views are probably the most ironic thing I have ever read.

[DarlingtonHibee]

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BuyHibs' views are probably the most ironic thing I have ever read.

Any chance of getting a spokemans name for HOH of BH - or is it the owrk of a certain journo ?

[marinello59]

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Any chance of getting a spokemans name for HOH of BH - or is it the owrk of a certain journo ?

Given that they are getting much more press coverage than they deserve you may well be right.

[NYHibby]

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I see BuyHibs are criticising the plan too.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...lans-1-3667697

It's a petty they had nothing to offer since they're so brilliant!

Is there a typo in the article or are they actually saying that they cannot answer their own questions?

"BuyHibs added that information about how the debt will be repaid had not been forthcoming. 'During November and December 2014 in face-to-face meetings with other Hibs fans, BuyHibs were unable to answer many questions posed as the answers were wholly dependent on the price being asked by the owners for the football club.'"

[Andy74]

Why the focus on the debt details? It's been almost halved you numpties. Through the goodwill of the people you are criticising.

The club would do well not to speak to any of these people any more and we shouldn't comment on them anymore either. They will surely go away soon?

[Gatecrasher]

I don't know what's worse these "groups" making these statements or the Scotsman giving them any sense of credibility by printing them.

[lucky]

How many different groups of supporters are there. We're nearly as bad as the Rangers with all the spliter groups. The peoples front of Jeddah springs to mind. HoH are irrelevant as they want the club for free and just making stuff up. BuyHibs are jealous as a vehicle of fan ownership has been put forward which leaves them sidelined. The question is do Hibs fans want to own the club or not. Personally I just want a winning team.

[Peevemor]

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Why the focus on the debt details? It's been almost halved you numpties. Through the goodwill of the people you are criticising.

The club would do well not to speak to any of these people any more and we shouldn't comment on them anymore either. They will surely go away soon?

Yeah but ..., erm Farmer oot!

[JimBHibees]

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I don't know what's worse these "groups" making these statements or the Scotsman giving them any sense of credibility by printing them.

Yep they seem to be able to get their voice heard. Last 2 days on radio forth it has been a prominent story in the sports section of a Hibs fans group slating the share deal. Quote incredible really some obviously have egos the size of Brazil.

[blackpoolhibs]

I don't understand how these groups are getting all this attention, there does not seem to be more than a handful of them?

[JimBHibees]

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I don't understand how these groups are getting all this attention, there does not seem to be more than a handful of them?

Yep one man and a dog springs to mind. Better ignored.

[Sudds_1]

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They wouldn't run a bath. They'd let someone else run it and then claim that person was creaming the suds from the top of it.

They've never creamed me...ever!

[kano]

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I don't understand how these groups are getting all this attention, there does not seem to be more than a handful of them?

Seems you're wrong again.

[blackpoolhibs]

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Seems you're wrong again.

Am i, how many would you say are backing these claims?

[CB_NO3]

http://www.buyhibs.org/meeting-with-...-chairman-hsl/

Buy Hibs statement in full.