I'd love to be wrong, but I can't see this proposed model delivering fan ownership at Hibs, at least within five years.
I can see a lot of people buying shares, and feeling that they have a stake in the club, which is good, though ownership and control will stay in the same hands.
Maybe I'm cynical, but I do question what the ultimate aim of all this is.
I believe Leanne Dempster is genuine in wishing fans to become more involved in the running of the club.
Not sure about STF & RP. Neither have historically been big on talking about their own visions for the club.
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20-01-2015 01:01 AM #31
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20-01-2015 04:09 AM #32This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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20-01-2015 04:42 AM #33
I doubt many people take HoH seriously. Attention seeking nonsense from start to finish.
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Of course back in the day we really were loony lefties. Mark Lawrenson was the football expert for the Party newspaper. HoH are going to have to up their game to top that for loonyness.Last edited by marinello59; 20-01-2015 at 05:41 AM.
Every gimmick hungry yob,
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He'll die before he's sold.
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20-01-2015 07:08 AM #35
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20-01-2015 07:31 AM #37
STF has just pretty much halved our debt.
If some of my share purchase money goes towards paying him back then so be it.
If the share issue enables a strengthening of the squad, a strengthening of the clubs financial positions and a greater supporter influence in the running of the club then it's win-win for me
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It doesn't matter if it's fan ownership or not, bills other than the first team players wages have to be paid. Are there really people out there who think fan ownership means the fans money which we can choose to put in or not should only go towards first team wages whilst somebody else picks up the tab for the rest? I reckon most Hibs fans are brighter than that.
Playing class politics by constantly mentioning STF's millionaire status is mildly amusing though. Power to the.........Ach, whatever.Every gimmick hungry yob,
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I personally have doubts this will be taken up fully because I'm not so sure the appetite is really there. But we do know the price and we do know what we have to do if we want to own the club.Every gimmick hungry yob,
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He'll die before he's sold.
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I'm buying direct from the club. I know I'll never see that £200 again but it doesn't really matter does it?
HoH are just a bunch of whiners. And it's the same embittered individuals over and over.
If it wasn't this, it'd be the price of the pies or something like that.
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Q - What exactly will all monies raised be used for? Playing staff, equipment, wages, etc?
A – It would be used in the running of the football department, so that’s wages, equipment, players, etc.
And let's face it, whether you take your advice from an IFA or from HOH, we all know how much money we're going to get back in this deal. That's what happens with emotional investments!!
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It does make me wonder why Hibs felt the need to embellish this with the 'sporting ambition' phrase. It's a classic Petrie comment - sounds good, but so vague that it makes the more cynical amongst us raise eyebrows.
I also feel that, on the back of big losses, the timing of this share issue is wrong. I've bored myself to death saying that the club should have put everything on hold and focused on getting promotion above all else. Hibs are not in a stable financial position right now, making the environment for this share issue less than ideal.
HoH are wrong but I think the club doesn't help itself at times.
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I also feel that, on the back of big losses, the timing of this share issue is wrong. I've bored myself to death saying that the club should have put everything on hold and focused on getting promotion above all else.
Hibs are not in a stable financial position right now, making the environment for this share issue less than ideal.
HoH are wrong but I think the club doesn't help itself at times.
And please don't take my post as a personal attack (as you usually do). I simply happen to disagree with every point you make - is that OK?
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20-01-2015 09:09 AM #51
You do get the impression some supposed Hibs fans absolutely detest the club and are never happier than when we are struggling so they can have a pop. Incredible attack IMO.
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The HSL proposal is basically a fans cooperative. We pull our resources and have a say in the club through our collective strength. If enough fans join the collective we will be the biggest shareholder and will control the club through our collective shareholding. Im struggling to see where the con is in this. If fans choose not to put in their cash then we continue under the stewardship of STF with less debt than before paying less interest than before. Can't see what's not to like here. HoH appear to want STF a to hand over the club and pay off the debt for nothing in return.
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People should realise that trying to discredit this approach are just making themselves look daft.
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The main point is that the current owner is set on change and this is his chosen way of achieving that. Personally I am happy to take the club at face value on this and the attacks on STF's integrity are wholly unjustified. HoH are clutching at straws.
Is this the ideal environment and time to launch this share issue though? No I don't think it is, and if I was LD (who was, it seems, hired to make this happen) I would have argued strongly that plans be pushed back until the club was back in the top tier.
Given that this share issue seems to be open ended with no specific time limit, I don't understand the need to launch now.
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Anyone thinking that fan ownership is a way of replacing Farmer and Petrie in the short term can dream on - it will never happen in those timescales.
And as to you last point, the sooner started, the sooner Hibs can start using the cash and the sooner fans will finally own Hibs - nothing is acheived by holding back.
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Cheers
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20-01-2015 11:16 AM #57
Seems to me that the HoH campaign seem to be desperate to create a war with the club and find fault in absolutely everything the club try to do. That heist poster is an embarrassment. As someone quite rightly mentioned above, it now seems to be more about their own egos and personal agendas rather than doing what is right for hibs as a club.
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The remainder is a complete embarrassment. They've not even had the professionalism to change the credits near the bottom. I can clearly read Gene Hackman, Danny DeVito and Delroy Lindo's names. Amateur.
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20-01-2015 11:34 AM #59
Some general facts to do with as you wish:
1) STF regularly gives away huge sums of his personal fortune for "no return". This is called philanthropy. In fact, he has considerable previous for it....
2) It's very clear to anyone with eyes and a semi-operational brain that nobody is "making money" from football these days, with very few notable exceptions...however, try as you may to convince your logical thinking side that this is in fact bollocks...
3) Us Hibs fans know we will never make money from the club. We also know (lets be honest folks) that we are unlikely to win hellish much any time soon. We're not really in it for the glory or the money now are we? We're in it, cause it's the right thing to do....
....I am unclear as to where any confusion exists on this offer Hibs have come up with. It's not mandatory, nobody is being frogmarched to the cashline machine to withdraw £18.75 a month and hand it over to the baddies in green.....big bad STF doesn't need the cash and probably realised a long time ago he'd never see all that money back. He doesn't NEED it. He doesnt need the aggro either...
However, if there's **** all on the telly and nae good conspiracies to discuss, we can always make one up for fun eh
Ach **** it, am off to sign over £18.75 for 133,333 months. There we are. Sorted. I'll sort oor future with one DD that lasts for the next 11,111 years. Barry. Club now mine. Woohoo.
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