I notice (via twitter) HOH have come out against the HSL initiative today. No real surprise, as to endorse it, complete disempowers them. What is troubling me more if the deeply negative and nasty nature of the tone of their communications.
They are basically implying now that this scheme is a scam. To me, this group, set up to be a group of activists to seek truth and justice for Hibs (my take on their original intent)...have embarrassed themselves through a whole suite of wild claims.. None of these have turned out to be true. In fact, the HSL proposal makes specific commitments on the future ownership of the ground and academy..
I am tired by their agenda now. It feels much more about their ego, than what is right for our football club. They need to think deeply about what they wanted to achieve, and assess it against what HSL is setting about to do...just because it's not their way, doesn't mean it won't create the right outcome...if they continue on this path of divisive communication, it will do nothing to create unity across Hibs fans...Stick to doing community good, such as the food bank collection (amazing achievement!), as your attempts to get involved in the ownership affairs of our clubs are far from helpful or constructive.
If any HOH activities wants to discuss this one to one feel free to PM me...as currently, I have no sense you are doing anything helpful for our club.
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19-01-2015 07:05 PM #1
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Hands On Hibs - No Substance. Unhelpful Voice
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19-01-2015 07:08 PM #2
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Their whole approach was farcical from the beginning.
Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, vodka in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming, "WOO HOO what a ride!"
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They are calling him Farmer Tom...its a disgrace to be honest.
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19-01-2015 07:44 PM #6
Baseless allegations from a group with personal agendas getting in the way of whats best for Hibernian FC. Disappointing
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19-01-2015 07:59 PM #7This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
They're a hindrance to the club moving forward IMO, very cynical about hibs' proposals yet never seemed to be able to show any substance to their own ideas.
All the key figures they had backing them originally (Pat Stanton, Jackie Mac) have backed this new hibs share issue, that pretty much renders HOH irrelevant now.
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19-01-2015 07:48 PM #9
Their key reason for existing has proven to be a lie without foundation.
They are desperately scrambling about trying to make themselves relevant. Better to bow out now with whatever grace they have imo.
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19-01-2015 08:04 PM #11
Who are some of the names behind this group now? Any well known faces?
Agree they are not helping anything at moment!
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19-01-2015 08:08 PM #12
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For those of you who don't do Facebook. The emphasis in bold is my own.
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Just a reminder HOH are happy to engage with Hibs fans however people making insulting and provocative posts are wasting their time. People will notice we do not go on other Hibs fans groups pages abusing them. That is because we respect their right to support the Board and Tom Farmer. All we ask is that they respect our right to campaign for change. Thank you.Last edited by grunt; 19-01-2015 at 08:11 PM.
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19-01-2015 08:10 PM #13
Do we know who gave HOH their independent financial advice? It would be good if they could come on here and explain their thinking.
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I think their contention was that money raised from the initiative would partly go to repaying the 5m debt rather than "sporting ambition". They claim this from meetings with Dempster. What are peoples thought on this?
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19-01-2015 08:23 PM #17This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteEvery gimmick hungry yob,
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Most rational people understand that a debt has to be repaid at some point. Now, it turns out that this debt is owed to another company owned by Farmer, not a bank, but the principle remains the same. In this case, I think we can assume that the terms of this debt are more favourable than they would be from a bank.
Now the owner has offered supporters a chance to own up to 51% of the club for a total amount of £2.5m. Supporters can choose whether or not they wish to get involved, but - as the club themselves have said - they should understand that this is unlikely to be an investment that will make you any money.
The process to buy these shares is a little complicated, but the idea seems straightforward.
What do HoH want? What is their problem with this? A month ago it was all rumours about asset stripping, but that has been shown to be nonsense.
Either they are fools or they are deliberately muck-raking.
EDIT: The sporting ambition bit. Presumably Hibs has a business plan which shows how it can operate a football club AND meet its debt obligations. But it's true that we will struggle to make ends meet while we are out of the top tier... this is my main reservation for doing this fan ownership thing now. Still, it seems fairly clear that shares bought by fans = cash for club! NOT cash for Farmer.Last edited by jacomo; 19-01-2015 at 09:06 PM.
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19-01-2015 10:06 PM #21
They are just alienating themselves further from the majority of the support ,you would think by now the penny would have dropped .
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19-01-2015 10:34 PM #22
I don't think some of their utterances or confrontational style has been helpful. However, I think they are right to highlight that if the 51% threshold of fan in shares is not reached, then all investors are simply (at least in the short term) contributing to the running costs of the club. Fine, if those are players transfers/contracts, many will invest gladly and should be encouraged to do so. If though, the running costs are bank loans etc, then it becomes a different issue. Many fans will baulk at paying this, and rightly so. More clarification and guarantees needed.
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After the accounts were published last week they came out with a huge Twitter rant about how terrible all this was and then finished by saying they planned to get financial advice about what it all meant. Anyone with half a brain cell would have got the advice first, then if needed, make a statement.
I wouldn't trust that lot to run a bath.Last edited by Winston Ingram; 19-01-2015 at 08:17 PM.
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