Livingston FC

[skipster7]

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Nah, he is still basking in the glory of ridding sectarianism in Scotland.

Bizzare statement tbh. Cheap digs at someone who campaigned for his own countries independence unnecessary imo

[AlbertK86]

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McCormack came from the Huns academy Livingston have brought through Leigh Griffiths Robert Snodgrass, Graeme Dorrans, Andrew Halliday, Murray Davidson, Stefan Scougall, Marc McNulty

You forgot Martin 'jimmy' Scott !!!!!!

[Pete]

When Livingston was built the idea was that over 80% of the population would be from the slums of Glasgow. The West coast twang and allegiances remain to this day and as football is passed down from father to son I don't see anything changing. They've been fighting a losing battle from the word go and the only way to make something like that work is to chuck money at it. Their ground is far too big and their natural position in relation to their fan base is probably the third or fourth division. You just can't plonk a team into a new town and expect lots of interest as the people aren't "new".

[silverhibee]

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Bizzare statement tbh. Cheap digs at someone who campaigned for his own countries independence unnecessary imo

Yeah, i thought that as well when he said it.

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

Can't get worked up at the thought of the demise of Livingston. Have played cheque book football throughout their relatively short existance.

[portycabbage]

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McCormack came from the Huns academy Livingston have brought through Leigh Griffiths Robert Snodgrass, Graeme Dorrans, Andrew Halliday, Murray Davidson, Stefan Scougall, Marc McNulty

Wes Hoolahan was there, albeit signed from Ireland.

[PatHead]

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Can't get worked up at the thought of the demise of Livingston. Have played cheque book football throughout their relatively short existance.

and cheated us out of a cup

[Bronson]

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and cheated us out of a cup

Behave, that's just cringey.

[oldbutdim]

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Just a murmur but im led to believe in excess of 2 Million.

I think the case relates to bonuses ex CEO Jed Nixon paid in cash to some players.
Certainly nowhere near that amount.

[mca]

Tesco want the Land..


And Lidl..

[PatHead]

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Behave, that's just cringey.

Might be but true. They were in admin when they played us but did not pay off players until after the final.

Find it really odd folk get worked up about Hearts& Rangers but don't hold it against Livingston, Gretna, Dundee, Motherwell etc. They are guilty of financial doping and have to learn to live within their means.

[skipster7]

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Yeah, i thought that as well when he said it.

He claimed to have rid Scotland of sectarianism ?? I must have missed that ;-)

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

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Might be but true. They were in admin when they played us but did not pay off players until after the final.

Find it really odd folk get worked up about Hearts& Rangers but don't hold it against Livingston, Gretna, Dundee, Motherwell etc. They are guilty of financial doping and have to learn to live within their means.

That's a fair point. Archie, Marvin, Derek Townsley played in that final with no hope of ever sustaining that level of spending. Can't see why anyone would condone that.

[Sir David Gray]

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That's a fair point. Archie, Marvin, Derek Townsley played in that final with no hope of ever sustaining that level of spending. Can't see why anyone would condone that.

Do you mean Derek Lilley?

Looking at their squad that day, it's not hard to understand how they've suffered so much financially in recent years.

Roddy McKenzie

David McNamee
Oscar Rubio
Marvin Andrews
Emmanuel Dorado
Jamie McAllister

Lee Makel
Stuart Lovell
Burton O'Brien

David Fernandez
Derek Lilley

SUBS

Alan Main
Scott McLaughlin
William Snowdon
Jon Paul McGovern
Fernando Pasquinelli

[PatHead]

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That's a fair point. Archie, Marvin, Derek Townsley played in that final with no hope of ever sustaining that level of spending. Can't see why anyone would condone that.

............and David Fernandez who was returned from his Celtic loan straight after the game I think. Didn't realise Townsley played.

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

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Do you mean Derek Lilley?

Looking at their squad that day, it's not hard to understand how they've suffered so much financially in recent years.

Roddy McKenzie

David McNamee
Oscar Rubio
Marvin Andrews
Emmanuel Dorado
Jamie McAllister

Lee Makel
Stuart Lovell
Burton O'Brien

David Fernandez
Derek Lilley

SUBS

Alan Main
Scott McLaughlin
William Snowdon
Jon Paul McGovern
Fernando Pasquinelli

Fair play, thought Townsley played for them at that time. Was just trying to make a point.

[Sir David Gray]

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Fair play, thought Townsley played for them at that time. Was just trying to make a point.

Yeah your overall point is something I agree with. Livingston's squad at that time was unsustainable.

[monktonharp]

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My local team, sad to see them in such a state. A real community club as well, always doing great schemes for school kids to get them along and support the team but sadly no one's interested anymore.

Hope they stay up this season but I've been saying for weeks they'll go down, this only cements my opinion even more.

I worked with a guy from that area, and he was "Celtic minded" but when Livi appeared on the scene, he changed and was determined that his wee boy was gonnae be a livi fan rather than the norm , being ran/celt in that area. maybe the real problem is, that that place (Livingston) is stuk in the middle of Edin/Glasgow. and despite the best efforts of people in charge at Livingston, wi' the best intent, they never really had a chance of splitting the age old divide, despite the fact that lots of Edinburgh,Eastcoast folk moved to Livi, we were always overwhelmed with the Glesga overspill. I quite like Livingston, my Ma and Da liked it, my Sis brought her family up there tae but there is always the divide. nothing in between

[MWHIBBIES]

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Fair play, thought Townsley played for them at that time. Was just trying to make a point.

He was at Gretna when they got to their cup final, probably what you are thinking of.

[Keith_M]

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He claimed to have rid Scotland of sectarianism ?? I must have missed that ;-)

As did everybody else in the world.

Maybe it's because he actually didn't.

[Keith_M]

I think the concept of having a Club in Livingston, that do a lot for the Community and bring through youth players, is basically a sound idea. The problem is that many of the people in charge have had delusions of grandeur and others have been just downright shysters.

For one thing, the Stadium is much larger than they'll ever need (not entirely their fault), so it's always going to look a bit strange playing there with only one side used for home Fans and the rest of the Stadium basically empty.

I have no problem with them being punished for any misdemeanours but I'd like to see them survive. Even if it means selling their Stadium and moving to a smaller one (I think that was a plan at some point)

[PatHead]

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I think the concept of having a Club in Livingston, that do a lot for the Community and bring through youth players, is basically a sound idea. The problem is that many of the people in charge have had delusions of grandeur and others have been just downright shysters.

For one thing, the Stadium is much larger than they'll ever need (not entirely their fault), so it's always going to look a bit strange playing there with only one side used for home Fans and the rest of the Stadium basically empty.

I have no problem with them being punished for any misdemeanours but I'd like to see them survive. Even if it means selling their Stadium and moving to a smaller one (I think that was a plan at some point)

Do they actually own the stadium?

[Keith_M]

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Do they actually own the stadium?

Actually, that's a good point. I think it might be owned by the Council...........


OK, so the best bet would be for the Council sell the stadium to LIDL and build a smaller one elsewhere






EDIT: Turns out they did have plans to move previously.

[Sylar]

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Actually, that's a good point. I think it might be owned by the Council...........


OK, so the best bet would be for the Council sell the stadium to LIDL and build a smaller one elsewhere

I think Livingston own the stadium but the council own the land it's built on?

Part of the original financial burden placed on the club was the requirement to upgrade it to meet the 10k criteria and it was paid for by the club.

[PatHead]

An ex Director of a Championship club was telling me that more bad news will break within the next week, this is the tip of the iceberg.

He doesn't expect them to see out the season.

[CockneyRebel]

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Bizzare statement tbh. Cheap digs at someone who campaigned for his own countries independencunnecessary imo

Amazing - an SNP supporter flinging around accusations of cheap shots - wee Eckie is still making them.

[Bronson]

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I worked with a guy from that area, and he was "Celtic minded" but when Livi appeared on the scene, he changed and was determined that his wee boy was gonnae be a livi fan rather than the norm , being ran/celt in that area. maybe the real problem is, that that place (Livingston) is stuk in the middle of Edin/Glasgow. and despite the best efforts of people in charge at Livingston, wi' the best intent, they never really had a chance of splitting the age old divide, despite the fact that lots of Edinburgh,Eastcoast folk moved to Livi, we were always overwhelmed with the Glesga overspill. I quite like Livingston, my Ma and Da liked it, my Sis brought her family up there tae but there is always the divide. nothing in between

Aye it's pretty much split 70:30 in terms of Rangers/Celtic fans:Hibs/Hearts fans. Rarely do you find anyone supporting another team in the area. As you say, pretty much due to the location with it being nicely slotted between Edinburgh and Glasgow.

The club did their best, but they really do struggle to bring in crowds over 1500 nowadays. A real shame cause it's a tidy wee ground they have and it's sitting there 80% empty on a match day.

[AndyM_1875]

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Might be but true. They were in admin when they played us but did not pay off players until after the final.

Find it really odd folk get worked up about Hearts& Rangers but don't hold it against Livingston, Gretna, Dundee, Motherwell etc. They are guilty of financial doping and have to learn to live within their means.

Were we not guilty of Financial doping when we were 18.5m in Debt in 2002?
Just a thought.

[Kaiser1962]

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Were we not guilty of Financial doping when we were 18.5m in Debt in 2002?
Just a thought.

We paid for it.

Sometimes wonder why we bothered though.

[PatHead]

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Were we not guilty of Financial doping when we were 18.5m in Debt in 2002?
Just a thought.

Nope, secured borrowing that could be met by our outgoings.

Was like going around in a Jag because we could afford it at the time. Think we traded it in for a Lada though that we have only just got rid of.