At the time of the Butcher appointment I was against it on principle. To me the whole thing stank of Old Firmery - Hey we're krap I know instead of developing our own guy let's find a smaller club with less resources than us and hoy their manager hey while we're at it let's hoy the whole management team as well hey job done...
But if I hadn't been opposed to it on principle I would have been opposed to it on common sense grounds. There are maybe two managers on the planet who have a consistent record of success. The other 99.99% have careers like yoyos. The idea that you can bring a guy in and have any level of confidence that he'll repeat any previous success is a total gamble. And Butcher's career wasn't even a yoyo - it was one of these flatlining ECGs in a TV hospital series that suddenly give a blip before they die.
I shudder to think how many hundreds of thousands of pounds the whole Butcher fiasco will have cost us by the time it's played out. Only a complete idiot would have thought it was a sensible idea for a club with Hibs' meagre resources to bet the farm on a guy with a record like Butcher's...
Step forward, The Great Helmsman.
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Thread: Butcher getting paid for a year
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03-09-2014 10:04 PM #31
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03-09-2014 10:08 PM #32This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteThis is how it feels
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03-09-2014 10:10 PM #33
He seems to be on quite a lot. I'd love for someone on there to grill him about being one of the biggest failures in scottish football! It was nearly impossible to take us down and he did.
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03-09-2014 10:14 PM #35
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Most managers after being dismissed continue to get paid. Rightly so, they are under contract. But once they gain further employment, the payments end. If he is making it obvious that he has no intention of seeking a job until his contract is paid up, that is spite!
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03-09-2014 10:17 PM #36
I was happy when he came and thought he'd give us the boot up the arse we needed. Sadly how wrong I was!
Rod though shouldn't be giving anyone contracts without a clause in them. For a manager to drop us down should be reason enough for an instant dismissal with no pay. Shocking negotiating from the board it really is.
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03-09-2014 10:20 PM #37This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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It's easy to blame RP for not having a clause, but none of us know what happened during the negotiations.
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03-09-2014 10:26 PM #39
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03-09-2014 10:32 PM #40
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You can't just force people to sign contracts by shouting at them. I suspect that Rod would have tried to include a relegation clause in the contract, and I suspect equally that Butcher would have told him to do one.
Butcher was sitting pretty at ICT. He didn't need Hibs. But Rod was desperate to get his man, and finally prove to all the naysayers that he was the football genius that he knew himself to be. This was a seller's market. Butcher was calling the shots, not Rod.Last edited by Nailrodders; 04-09-2014 at 05:37 AM.
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03-09-2014 10:49 PM #41This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Maybe need someone to mop the piss off the floor in the toilets of the East at half time. Or perhaps plunge the cubicles when they get blocked? Perhaps there is a role still for Butcher at ER?
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03-09-2014 10:55 PM #42This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuotePM Awards General Poster of The Year 2015, 2016, 2017. Probably robbed in other years
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Has there ever been a manager of Hibs that you thought might be a success only to find out that he was actually a dud or has your judgement always been so impeccable?
Personally, I didn't want Jocky Scott, but apart from that I've been pretty much happy with all the appointments.
You see, for us lesser beings, disappointment always comes as a surprise. We always expect and hope for better than we get.
For those with great vision like yourself, the disappointment must be almost permanent. That's a shame.
I don't mind being an eternal optimist though. I have my fleeting moments of hope to keep me warm.
You have the certain knowledge that you're right. I envy that.
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03-09-2014 11:30 PM #44
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03-09-2014 11:39 PM #45
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Butcher came after considerable success at Inverness, Yogi failed with us and is having considerable success at Inverness. There is certainly something similar in both cases. It surely cannot be just coincidence.
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03-09-2014 11:43 PM #46
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Another one to add to the ever growing list of Shan appointments and decisions from that tool Petrie..
God knows how he's still at Hibs with his record, any other club, place of business etc and he'd have been binned years ago..
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03-09-2014 11:50 PM #47
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Just in from work and turned on SSN to see that. No professional pride whatsoever. Wish the presenter had asked him if he wasn't feeling a bit embarrassed taking money after getting us relegated.
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And the fact of the matter is that clubs like Hibs don't have half a million lying around in the petty cash drawer. So this was 'speculative spending' that had to come out of future revenues. The upshot of that is that all the money we spent bringing Butcher and his team to ER, and the thousands of pounds that we're currently paying to them to do nothing, is coming out of the current playing budget, as there isn't anywhere else for it to come from. That's why we haven't spent any money on decent players this summer, and why we're engaged in classy stuff like offering a contract to young players who have committed their youth to Hibs, and then withdrawing the offers before they've even had a chance to sign them, thereby putting their whole careers at risk.
I suspect that if The Great Helmsman had stood up and announced "Hey everybody! I'm about to spend half a million pounds that we don't have to bring Terry Butcher to ER based on his unblemished track record as a manager!", then even the dullest of supporters might have been inspired to go and actually check his track record, and then they might have turned round and said "Er, hang on a minute. Are you sure that's a good idea?"
I'm well aware that you hate seeing The Great Helmsman criticised, after all the success he's wrought at ER. Well, the good news for you is that he's not finished yet. Even more of this 'success' is on the way.
And there I go, using my 'great vision' and 'certain knowledge' again. Let's you and me come back and revisit the topic in six months or so, and see how I did.Last edited by Nailrodders; 04-09-2014 at 08:16 AM.
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04-09-2014 07:02 AM #50
I'd love to sneak into his garden under the cover of darkness and practice with a 3 iron amongst his rhododendrons.
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04-09-2014 07:49 AM #51
Get him in cleaning the stadium after matches. ..absolute tool of a man and it irritates the hell out of me why he is never quizzed on his integrity!
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04-09-2014 07:54 AM #52
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We just have to suck it up.
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04-09-2014 08:40 AM #54This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Just my take on it and hopefully behind the scenes he is looking for a job to give himself some credibility and to release us from this situation
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Deals are made all over the world in business and if I had hired someone for my company I'd make sure if he was extremely poor I wouldn't be paying him off for a year!
No matter how much people back up Petrie on this he messed up plain and simple! Then again it's the norm for him so it's no surprise.
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04-09-2014 08:51 AM #56
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I assume the gardeners are not entitled to bonuses of any sort?!
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Even if he does eventually get offered another job, there's not a chance it will be for anything like the money he is on at ER. So we'll probably still have to pay him some kind of lump sum to give him an incentive to take it.
That's just the unpleasant reality of the thing.
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