Does Uncle Rod know something we don't???

[spike220]

Just a bit of speculation, but I have trying to think rationally about our situation.

One of the conclusions I have reached is that the board know something we don't.

I think there is every reason to believe that there is more than one club Scotland top two leagues that are not going to make it to the end of the season.

We have been set up to survive and Alan has been asked to make us competitive as possible.

I think there is a very real chance of Rangers plus one other disappearing, and we on survival footing for the time being.

In the intrim let the lads have a crack, no pressure!!

That is my theory in any case, shoot me down if you will!

[Mr White]

Its entirely possible that something like that may happen but I'd be pretty pissed off (and surprised actually) if we were basing our strategy on what might happen elsewhere. We're a shambles but I think that's a result of the restrictions management face rather than any bad intention or interference from Rod Petrie.

[spike220]

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Its entirely possible that something like that may happen but I'd be pretty pissed off (and surprised actually) if we were basing our strategy on what might happen elsewhere. We're a shambles but I think that's a result of the restrictions management face rather than any bad intention or interference from Rod Petrie.

I am suggesting Rod is in the know and that is what he basing his strategy on.

[Nailrodders]

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I am suggesting Rod is in the know and that is what he basing his strategy on.

Well in that case we'll just have to hope there aren't any more Mrs Cludgie's going to suddenly emerge from the woodwork and beggar up his finely-honed strategies.

Otherwise he'll be left once again looking like a big fat stupid smug idiot who doesn't have a clue what he's doing.

[Sudds_1]

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Well in that case we'll just have to hope there aren't any more Mrs Cludgie's going to suddenly emerge from the woodwork and beggar up his finely-honed strategies.

Otherwise he'll be left once again looking like a big fat stupid smug idiot who doesn't have a clue what he's doing.

..looking like? He is.

[Spike Mandela]

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I am suggesting Rod is in the know and that is what he basing his strategy on.

...........or he knows we are to be sold in the near future and no point wasting money on something you are getting shot of.

[greenpaper55]

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I am suggesting Rod is in the know and that is what he basing his strategy on.

As regards football Rod does not know his erse from his elbow !.

[HFC 0-7]

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I am suggesting Rod is in the know and that is what he basing his strategy on.

How Can he know a club won't make it? If a club is facing financial difficulties there is no way to know whether it will be terminal or not as there is no way to know how wealthy fans or businesses will react and help out. If he is basing a strategy on knowing a couple of clubs MAY disappear then we really are in trouble. If his strategy is based on a clubs in a financial pickle, the club in question is probably us.

[Deansy]

Yeah, 'Uncle Rod' KNOWS he couldn't give a flying-fluk about the support (well, apart from their SPL prices ST money) - the support merely THINKS it !

[WeeRussell]

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How Can he know a club won't make it? If a club is facing financial difficulties there is no way to know whether it will be terminal or not as there is no way to know how wealthy fans or businesses will react and help out. If he is basing a strategy on knowing a couple of clubs MAY disappear then we really are in trouble. If his strategy is based on a clubs in a financial pickle, the club in question is probably us.

Some people knew what was coming for Rangers a good bit in advance before it was all official and announced/leaked. Not saying that IS the case here but prior knowledge is very much possible. Having said that, I don't think anyone is in such a visibly poor state (financially) now as they were back then, when people "knew."

[Gettin' Auld]

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Its entirely possible that something like that may happen but I'd be pretty pissed off (and surprised actually) if we were basing our strategy on what might happen elsewhere. We're a shambles but I think that's a result of the restrictions management face rather than any bad intention or interference from Rod Petrie.

Is that the same Uncle Rod who told people that questioned him 'behind the goals' towards the end of last season, when things were getting nervy, that Hibs wouldn't be relegated?

[scuttle]

The only thing that will get us back up is league reconstruction, supposing its an 18 team SPL we would still not go up in our current league position

[Forza Fred]

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Is that the same Uncle Rod who told people that questioned him 'behind the goals' towards the end of last season, when things were getting nervy, that Hibs wouldn't be relegated?

An emphatic, "that's not going to happen" were his words I believe when relegation was suggested.

I'm afraid I wouldn't place much faith in his ability to think things through to a likely outcome anymore.

[worcesterhibby]

Nonsense…the SPL need Rangers..they will do everything necessary to ensure they are promoted. Hearts are relatively debt free and are flying…we are absolute Jarko Wiss

wake up

[The_Todd]

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Nonsense…the SPL need Rangers..they will do everything necessary to ensure they are promoted. Hearts are relatively debt free and are flying…we are absolute Jarko Wiss

wake up

No it doesn't. It might think it does, but no it doesn't.

[Greenblood70]

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No it doesn't. It might think it does, but no it doesn't.

I hate Rangers as much as the next man but I never understand this argument. We do not have a major sponsor for the top league in the country and look at the attendances in the SPL last weekend, barely an attendance over 4000 and Aberdeen who are supposed to be the resurgent force barely scraping 11k at home to an entertaining Partick side. Football in this country is dying on its arse and desperately needs its big city clubs in the top leagues.

[The_Todd]

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I hate Rangers as much as the next man but I never understand this argument. We do not have a major sponsor for the top league in the country and look at the attendances in the SPL last weekend, barely an attendance over 4000 and Aberdeen who are supposed to be the resurgent force barely scraping 11k at home to an entertaining Partick side. Football in this country is dying on its arse and desperately needs its big city clubs in the top leagues.

Scottish football may be broken, but it's been broken by proximity to Europe's richest league, money and overdependence on the Old Firm. We could just happily accept that the rest of Scottish football exists simply to give the OF something to do between their derbies and short flirtations with Europe simply to gain more sponsorship or we can accept a lower quality product but walk heads held high. I know which I choose.

[brog]

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Scottish football may be broken, but it's been broken by proximity to Europe's richest league, money and overdependence on the Old Firm. We could just happily accept that the rest of Scottish football exists simply to give the OF something to do between their derbies and short flirtations with Europe simply to gain more sponsorship or we can accept a lower quality product but walk heads held high. I know which I choose.

Good comment, the OF are a blight on Scotland.

[Phil D. Rolls]

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I hate Rangers as much as the next man but I never understand this argument. We do not have a major sponsor for the top league in the country and look at the attendances in the SPL last weekend, barely an attendance over 4000 and Aberdeen who are supposed to be the resurgent force barely scraping 11k at home to an entertaining Partick side. Football in this country is dying on its arse and desperately needs its big city clubs in the top leagues.

Maybe there's a drift from the cities in society in general, and that's led to the demise of the big city clubs?

[NAE NOOKIE]

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Maybe there's a drift from the cities in society in general, and that's led to the demise of the big city clubs?

According to recent projections the populations of Aberdeen and Edinburgh are due to rise quite a bit in the next 20 years and Dundee is also up and coming.

It is hard work typing loads of theories as to why and how we have arrived at this point. Who cares what Petrie does or doesn't know, the bottom line is that we have ended up where we are and not in a crash and burn in search of glory type of way, but rather in a slow decline death by a thousand cuts type of way.

My thoughts are why the hell would you trust the people who presided over our demise ignoring all the warning signs along the way to be the ones to turn it around. Leeann Dempster may well be brilliant at her job, but she still needs Farmer and Petrie to agree every decision she makes were a financial outlay is concerned ........................... because of that nothing will really change until they either find a way to fund the club better or bugger off.

[worcesterhibby]

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No it doesn't. It might think it does, but no it doesn't.

happy to accept that correction…but it amounts to the same as far as the argument is concerned.

[PeeJay]

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Just a bit of speculation, but I have trying to think rationally about our situation.

One of the conclusions I have reached is that the board know something we don't.

I think there is every reason to believe that there is more than one club Scotland top two leagues that are not going to make it to the end of the season.

We have been set up to survive and Alan has been asked to make us competitive as possible.

I think there is a very real chance of Rangers plus one other disappearing, and we on survival footing for the time being.

In the intrim let the lads have a crack, no pressure!!

That is my theory in any case, shoot me down if you will!

This is just more of the misguided belief amongst many Hibs fans that the Rangers or Hearts will soon be gone and everything will then be fine. Both these clubs currently are on a better footing than our club, which despite the so-called imminent demise of the aforementioned, sees us in the same league as them yet inexplicably not able to compete with them ... if anyone is in serious trouble of "going" I'd say we were fine candidates - and I don't think Rod has the foggiest about any of the goings on at our club or indeed any of the clubs ... what you (erroneously IMO) consider to be a masterplan on his part I would suggest is actually just plain incompetence on his part - much to my dismay. As fans we really should stop pretending that we will be the "last club standing": seems to me that we are on our knees and we have been for some time now ...

[ahibby]

Oh dear. It's best to keep it simple and admit that we are simply crap and clueless as a club when it comes to success on the park. There has been something in football terms that is rotten to the core. No conspiracy theories about clubs going bust so we can afford to be crap, it just doesn't wash. If you like conspiracy theories though then how about this one. The current ownership of the club has decided to sell ER and in order to justify it they are intentionally running the club down in football terms so that crowds and fans disappear leaving them in a justifiable position to sell ER and ground share with our footballing astute neighbours. RP and STF pocket a nice wad from the sale. No supporters are around to complain because we've dropped to league1 (the third tier in Scotland). How's that for a conspiracy, if you need to have one?

There are no master plans/conspiracies our club is just inept, incompetent as far as giving us a good/successful football team is concerned. We rely to much on young players who are not as good as, the previous young team of Brown, Whitaker, Fletcher, Riordan, O'Connor et al. To make that worse the important senior players i.e. Craig and Robertson are doing nothing for us. No wonder we are sh***. I saw a thread titled Boo Boys, well instead of booing why don't we take a page out of Aberdeen's book and chant the song 'We're sh*** and we know we are'. Maybe that'll get the message over better than booing.

[Phil D. Rolls]

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Oh dear. It's best to keep it simple and admit that we are simply crap and clueless as a club when it comes to success on the park. There has been something in football terms that is rotten to the core. No conspiracy theories about clubs going bust so we can afford to be crap, it just doesn't wash. If you like conspiracy theories though then how about this one. The current ownership of the club has decided to sell ER and in order to justify it they are intentionally running the club down in football terms so that crowds and fans disappear leaving them in a justifiable position to sell ER and ground share with our footballing astute neighbours. RP and STF pocket a nice wad from the sale. No supporters are around to complain because we've dropped to league1 (the third tier in Scotland). How's that for a conspiracy, if you need to have one?

There are no master plans/conspiracies our club is just inept, incompetent as far as giving us a good/successful football team is concerned. We rely to much on young players who are not as good as, the previous young team of Brown, Whitaker, Fletcher, Riordan, O'Connor et al. To make that worse the important senior players i.e. Craig and Robertson are doing nothing for us. No wonder we are sh***. I saw a thread titled Boo Boys, well instead of booing why don't we take a page out of Aberdeen's book and chant the song 'We're sh*** and we know we are'. Maybe that'll get the message over better than booing.

Makes sense to me. There has to have been some plan in place. Nobody can be this bad by accident.

[ahibby]

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Makes sense to me. There has to have been some plan in place. Nobody can be this bad by accident.

Nobody can be as bad as Hibs have been in the past few years anyway for sure. Imagine 2000 fans sitting in a 20,000 capacity stadium deary me. I'm amazed that we can still pull in 9000 + despite what we have had to put up with but I can't see that being maintained for long with the standard and approach we have. Okay if you bump your customers to save money like Hearts have done (not paying bills etc) then you obviously have cash spare to develop your team more but that a side, Hibs have had opportunities to develop as well as, and just haven't done it. The club isn't competent lets face it.

[Colr]

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This is just more of the misguided belief amongst many Hibs fans that the Rangers or Hearts will soon be gone and everything will then be fine. Both these clubs currently are on a better footing than our club, which despite the so-called imminent demise of the aforementioned, sees us in the same league as them yet inexplicably not able to compete with them ... if anyone is in serious trouble of "going" I'd say we were fine candidates - and I don't think Rod has the foggiest about any of the goings on at our club or indeed any of the clubs ... what you (erroneously IMO) consider to be a masterplan on his part I would suggest is actually just plain incompetence on his part - much to my dismay. As fans we really should stop pretending that we will be the "last club standing": seems to me that we are on our knees and we have been for some time now ...

This.

[Mathias Jack]

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This is just more of the misguided belief amongst many Hibs fans that the Rangers or Hearts will soon be gone and everything will then be fine. Both these clubs currently are on a better footing than our club, which despite the so-called imminent demise of the aforementioned, sees us in the same league as them yet inexplicably not able to compete with them ... if anyone is in serious trouble of "going" I'd say we were fine candidates - and I don't think Rod has the foggiest about any of the goings on at our club or indeed any of the clubs ... what you (erroneously IMO) consider to be a masterplan on his part I would suggest is actually just plain incompetence on his part - much to my dismay. As fans we really should stop pretending that we will be the "last club standing": seems to me that we are on our knees and we have been for some time now ...

Maybe Hearts yeah, did you read Rangers financial report out a few months ago? Tried to look for it online but can't find it, i've got a copy in the house. Makes some interesting reading. It should've been re-titled 'How Not to Run A Football Club'. Not that we are perfect, obviously. Splashed just under £2million on LED advertising and upgrading their jumbotron, contracts were put together by admin staff not legal staff. From mishap to mishap, and from July 2012 to Dec 2013, they managed to rinse £30million.

They couldn't get credit by a merchant acquirer, so could only sell season tickets by cash. Their recent share offer failed to attract any new investors and was therefore offered to current investors. Most have ignored it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...creditors.html

The article above is evidence that the Rangers are not in a better financial footing than us.

[ancient hibee]

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Maybe Hearts yeah, did you read Rangers financial report out a few months ago? Tried to look for it online but can't find it, i've got a copy in the house. Makes some interesting reading. It should've been re-titled 'How Not to Run A Football Club'. Not that we are perfect, obviously. Splashed just under £2million on LED advertising and upgrading their jumbotron, contracts were put together by admin staff not legal staff. From mishap to mishap, and from July 2012 to Dec 2013, they managed to rinse £30million.

They couldn't get credit by a merchant acquirer, so could only sell season tickets by cash. Their recent share offer failed to attract any new investors and was therefore offered to current investors. Most have ignored it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...creditors.html

The article above is evidence that the Rangers are not in a better financial footing than us.

This is exactly right.Rangers are trying to get enough money together to get them through to their AGM when they will try to get authority for a new share issue.There is absolutely no guarantee that they will achieve this.King will not buy shares from the existing shareholders because he won't put money into their pockets.The exiting shareholders won't let their shares go for nothing but there is evidence that they are not prepared to put more money in.As Rangers have no credit facilities(they had to borrow cash from shareholders against security which is what the current attempt to raise money to pay the loans back is all about)they have every likliehood of going to the wall again and may be gambling on being able to cope with a points deduction.

[spike220]

Not yet convinced that ny theory is totally guff!!!

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...e-spfl-4177789

[Stevie Reid]

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Not yet convinced that ny theory is totally guff!!!

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...e-spfl-4177789

Whilst I have absolutely no sympathy for Rangers obviously, it would be perfectly in keeping with the depressing Hearts narrative if they happened to be the main beneficiaries from Rangers breaking rules that were only brought in due to Hearts' own misdemeanours.