Paul Hartley

***J-C*** · 31-08-2014 11:22 AM

Hartley on tv just now saying McPake has been a rock in defence since signing, this the same McPake who said he was fit for weeks and couldn't get a game for us when Butcher was in charge, how we need him now.

**emerald green** · 31-08-2014 11:28 AM

The list of players who appear to do well after they leave HFC is endless.

I see the guy Antione-Curier doing well at Hamilton Accies these days.

***J-C*** · 31-08-2014 11:32 AM

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The list of players who appear to do well after they leave HFC is endless.

I see the guy Antione-Curier doing well at Hamilton Accies these days.

Thing is last year and even more so now we need leaders on the park, Thomson and McPake are these guys but Butcher/Malpas screwed and lied to us with their management of these 2 players.

***cabbageandribs1875*** · 31-08-2014 11:34 AM

goal Mcpake in first minute

***semaj64*** · 31-08-2014 11:35 AM

And scores !

***J-C*** · 31-08-2014 11:36 AM

yep and a cracking goal too.

**GlasgowHibee** · 31-08-2014 11:36 AM

And he scores, unbelievable.

**NadeAteMyLunch!** · 31-08-2014 11:37 AM

Lol couldn't make it up eh

**Hibby Bairn** · 31-08-2014 11:40 AM

John Rankin James Collins David Wotherspoon

**Iain G** · 31-08-2014 11:42 AM

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Hartley on tv just now saying McPake has been a rock in defence since signing, this the same McPake who said he was fit for weeks and couldn't get a game for us when Butcher was in charge, how we need him now.

Fine til he gets injured again!

**emerald green** · 31-08-2014 11:43 AM

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Thing is last year and even more so now we need leaders on the park, Thomson and McPake are these guys but Butcher/Malpas screwed and lied to us with their management of these 2 players.

There's no leadership on the pitch in this current Hibs squad.

I'm just seeing McPake has scored. It's torture being a Hibs supporter right now. Hate what's become of our club, and it's not Alan Stubbs' fault.

***J-C*** · 31-08-2014 11:47 AM

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Fine til he gets injured again!

Seemingly fit for the last 10 weeks of last years season and so far fit for pre season and the 1st 4 games, you think we don't need a player like that right now.

***Danderhall Hibs*** · 31-08-2014 11:53 AM

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Seemingly fit for the last 10 weeks of last years season and so far fit for pre season and the 1st 4 games, you think we don't need a player like that right now.

wonder what happened to his career ending injury that folk were telling us about?

**SlickShoes** · 31-08-2014 11:56 AM

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The list of players who appear to do well after they leave HFC is endless.

I see the guy Antione-Curier doing well at Hamilton Accies these days.

Hibs.net myth, most players go on to worse career moves on the whole.

**emerald green** · 31-08-2014 12:07 PM

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Hibs.net myth, most players go on to worse career moves on the whole.

Well, perhaps? It also depends on what you class as a "worse career move". For some, just getting away from a particular club might be felt to be a good career move.

The truth of the matter, rather than Hibs.net myth, is possibly somewhere in between.

For example, in fairly recent times I can think of Scott Brown, Steven Fletcher, Leigh Griffiths, Steven Whittaker, David Murphy, who went on to better career moves.

I agree some players go on to relative oblivion though.

**SlickShoes** · 31-08-2014 12:13 PM

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Well, perhaps? It also depends on what you class as a "worse career move". For some, just getting away from a particular club might be felt to be a good career move.

The truth of the matter, rather than Hibs.net myth, is possibly somewhere in between.

For example, in fairly recent times I can think of Scott Brown, Steven Fletcher, Leigh Griffiths, Steven Whittaker, David Murphy, who went on to better career moves.

I agree some players go on to relative oblivion though.

Those are players that played well for us though, this type of conversation is about players that don't work at hibs or leave under other circumstances. John rankin is the one most people like to bring up, but for everyone of him there are 3 Steven pinaus playing for the Rochester rhinos.

***cabbageandribs1875*** · 31-08-2014 12:13 PM

sparky coming on

**emerald green** · 31-08-2014 12:14 PM

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Those are players that played well for us though, this type of conversation is about players that don't work at hibs or leave under other circumstances. John rankin is the one most people like to bring up, but for everyone of him there are 3 Steven pinaus playing for the Rochester rhinos.

Fair enough.

**emerald green** · 31-08-2014 12:15 PM

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sparky coming on

Hope he doesn't get injured.

***Speedy*** · 31-08-2014 12:16 PM

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Well, perhaps? It also depends on what you class as a "worse career move". For some, just getting away from a particular club might be felt to be a good career move.

The truth of the matter, rather than Hibs.net myth, is possibly somewhere in between.

For example, in fairly recent times I can think of Scott Brown, Steven Fletcher, Leigh Griffiths, Steven Whittaker, David Murphy, who went on to better career moves.

I agree some players go on to relative oblivion though.

All of those were deemed a success at the time.

The point is around those who left after not being deemed good enough.

**emerald green** · 31-08-2014 12:18 PM

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All of those were deemed a success at the time.

The point is around those who left after not being deemed good enough.

Point taken.

***J-C*** · 31-08-2014 12:19 PM

See Thomson the club captian sitting chatting with Brown all suited up with club tie on, the proper way to act as a captain.

***cabbageandribs1875*** · 31-08-2014 12:23 PM

jim spence talking to Legend sir Albert of kidd :)

**The Leith Dutch** · 31-08-2014 12:27 PM

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Hibs.net myth, most players go on to worse career moves on the whole.

Not so much a myth - more 11:11 syndrome.

Folk often wonder why they seem to see the time 11 minutes past 11 a lot more than other times on the clock.
They don't - it's just comfortably the most memorable single time that they can see on the clock so they remember every time it happens.

Same with players - we remember the ones that go on to play well somewhere else but not the ones that don't do much.

Sure someone said on here that Lewis Stevenson had played with something like 140 different players in his 10 years at Hibs.
Pretty sure that the ones we moved on that did very little would hit close to 120.

The bigger worry for me is not the ones that go on to better things - that's just the breaks.
It's the ones that come here a good player and seem to go backwards at a rate of knots.

Dirty words around here but McGivern looked like an EPL player when he first arrived and by the end of his time here I reckon most of the support would personally have driven him onto his next club just to get him the ****** away from ER.

Right at the minute I reckon we could sign Messi and Ronaldo and turn them into Selkirk class within a season.

Mind you, on current form, I may be hearing from Selkirk's lawyers for defamation.....

***cabbageandribs1875*** · 31-08-2014 12:44 PM

the sparkmeister scores 1-1

***cabbageandribs1875*** · 31-08-2014 12:47 PM

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***basehibby*** · 31-08-2014 01:26 PM

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Seemingly fit for the last 10 weeks of last years season and so far fit for pre season and the 1st 4 games, you think we don't need a player like that right now.

You have got to wonder WTF was going on between Butchers & Malpas's ears if they thought Nelson was a better option - the more I hear about them the clearer it becomes that they just had no clue as to what they were supposed to be doing.

**Stantons Angel** · 31-08-2014 03:03 PM

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See Thomson the club captian sitting chatting with Brown all suited up with club tie on, the proper way to act as a captain.

Ive read this post with interest and cant help but smile at some of the comments directed at McPake and Thomson especially.

Are these not the same two players who were slagged off so much on here last season? Yes we need leadership in our team right now and McPake had shown that leadership on more than one occasion when he has led the team to victory. I believe he was fit and Butcher could not admit he was wrong in leaving him out hence the defeated run we went on.

Thomson was always a good captain of Hibs and never let us down. Butcher on the other hand thought better of it and took it off him and gave it to Craig.

I dont have a gripe against Craig accept that he is not in MY opinion a Hibs captain. there are many reasons why and i think you all know most of them?

It may be also that when these players are away from the pressures and anxieties of the Hibs support they begin to flourish away from all the tension and foul mouthed abuse they are subjected too.

Just goes to show just how much promise is being stifled by the negativity at Easter Road

***Baldy Foghorn*** · 31-08-2014 03:08 PM

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Ive read this post with interest and cant help but smile at some of the comments directed at McPake and Thomson especially.

Are these not the same two players who were slagged off so much on here last season? Yes we need leadership in our team right now and McPake had shown that leadership on more than one occasion when he has led the team to victory. I believe he was fit and Butcher could not admit he was wrong in leaving him out hence the defeated run we went on.

Thomson was always a good captain of Hibs and never let us down. Butcher on the other hand thought better of it and took it off him and gave it to Craig.

I dont have a gripe against Craig accept that he is not in MY opinion a Hibs captain. there are many reasons why and i think you all know most of them?

It may be also that when these players are away from the pressures and anxieties of the Hibs support they begin to flourish away from all the tension and foul mouthed abuse they are subjected too.

Just goes to show just how much promise is being stifled by the negativity at Easter Road

McPake was injury prone, and was a liability at times.....Chucked it at ER against Malmo when the chips were down.....As for KT, he was fine, but his biggest problem was that he thought he was better than he actually was.

The last sentence is nonsense, how many times have we had huge supports at ER and Hampden, and been blootered in the cahoonas?