Don't come back

[Turkish Green]

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The pavlovian comment is the best thing i have seen on here for a while!

I agree. I love meringues.

[Bishop Hibee]

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The end came for Pat Fenlon after a 0 - 1 League cup home defeat to hearts. In that game Hibs played as well as they had for months, they utterly outplayed the Yams pretty well from start to finish. On any other day the fans would have left the game bemoaning Hibs luck and shaking their heads at what was a travesty of footballing justice.

But following months of disappointment all that mattered that night was the result and Fenlon was gone weeks later.

Yesterday Hibs in reality didn't play badly at all. We made a number of chances which were squandered as a result of poor finishing or a poor final ball from good positions ... the display by Kennedy was very encouraging, he beat his man time and again even though he was 'double teamed' at times. Yes the ball was played across the pitch a lot, but more often than not it ended up with Kennedy on the left or Gray / Harris on the right, so at least it was being done with purpose.

But as the game wore on the results were filtering through from elsewhere that our two biggest rivals for promotion were winning, especially the Yams who were stuffing Raith away, a club who had made a good start to the season .......... the realisation was dawning amongst our support that here was Hibs huffing and puffing to salvage a draw at home to a club considered our 3rd main rival for top spot.

It is clear now after only 3 games that Hibs don't have what it takes to challenge for top spot in this league .... that leaves the play offs but even then the fans will need to be convinced that if we get there we will have a chance of winning through. If we cant win our home games where is the evidence we are capable of doing that.

After years of disappointment Hibs need to produce results to keep the fans onside .... Like in the Fenlon situation the fans willingness to accept hard luck stories or club statements about new dawns and new approaches has worn paper thin. You are asking fans to stay away if they are going to boo the team off. As far as I'm concerned the folk there on Saturday were true Hibbies whose frustration got the better of them.

I for one would rather that fans still care enough to go to ER and boo from the stands at full time than not go at all.

Great post. The slow decline of our club has already led thousands to give up there STs. I'm sick of the 'but we palyed alright, we were unlucky" rubbish. We are staying down with performances like the second halves v Livi, Hertz and Falkirk.

I was the one shouting "PETRIE OUT" at the end. Our club is dying under his and Farmer's watch.

[Frogga]

I don't think anyone is saying fans should never boo. The problem is how quick sections of our home crowd are to get on the team's back. We have one poor performance in 5 or 6 games and some fans are already panicking and looking for answers. It's not behaviour to be proud of. Also, some of the singling out of players is horrendous. I mean would you use some of that language towards staff in a restaurant or on a train if the service wasn't good enough?

[B.H.F.C]

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I don't think anyone is saying fans should never boo. The problem is how quick sections of our home crowd are to get on the team's back. We have one poor performance in 5 or 6 games and some fans are already panicking and looking for answers. It's not behaviour to be proud of. Also, some of the singling out of players is horrendous. I mean would you use some of that language towards staff in a restaurant or on a train if the service wasn't good enough?

If we had won more than once in those 5 or 6 games people may be more understanding. At the moment we are doing the same thing as we were last year, losing. Stubbs said at the end of last week on his Hibs TV interview that it was up to them to get the trust of the fans back. They haven't done nearly enough in that regard yet.

FWIW I'm behind Stubbs. I think he's doing the right things. But it's him that said it was all about results and he hasn't had enough of them so far. If we got off to a slow start this year there was always going to be elements of the crowd unhappy.

And having worked in a contact centre in the past I can confirm it's definitely not just football players that get abused by members of the public!

[Nutmegged]

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Many years ago when I was editor of Hibernian's Matchday Magazine, Alex Miller told me that he hated making comments immediately after the game. His view was that when you're caught up in the emotion of the match you tend to say things that you'll regret in the cold light of the next again day. Nodding in to Hibs.net and the pitiful Hibernian News Facebook page last night and this morning, you can't fail to notice a collective hysteria that confirms Mr Miller's observations of all those years ago.

The signs were there at the game, mind. One nutter near me was so red in the face with anger that a heart attack seemed imminent. And the bams who moaned at every long ball under Butcher, were equally critical of every pass that wasn't in a forward direction yesterday.

And then there was the booing at the end. It's become a ritual at Easter Road. I'm almost certain that one day we'll win handsomely and some kids raised on booing will deliver their customary farewell to the team in a Pavlovian response to the final whistle.

Although the club needs the money, I would say if you're going to be greetin' faced for 90 minutes and explode into a tirade of abuse at every mistake, then don't come back. I am sure that those of us who want to see the team continue to develop the brand of football introduced by our new manager would rather watch from emptier stands than be surrounded by your negativity which does transfer to the pitch and makes the job of our players so much harder.

So there you go. Cut up your season ticket. Join your wife or boyfriend for a trip to Ocean Terminal on Saturday afternoons. Go to the Zoo and stare at the Pandas. Ride back and forward on the tram to the airport. Do whatever you like but don't come to Easter Road and don't come on here or on Facebook moaning about everything to do with Hibernian Football Club. You're dragging us all down and we don't need you.

And the award for the most self righteous post of the year goes too...

[Steve-O]

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Ah, fair enough, didn't know he was back in Scotland.

OK, we'll agree to disagree. We certainly played well in the first half, no doubt. Second, I'm not convinced.

I'm going to bow out on this one. Folk can blame long suffering, loyal fans all they like. I think it's a flawed case but it polarises opinion so I'm out.

Indeed, I was there.

First half was better than second definitely, but we still had 3-4 good chances in second half.

I'm not saying the fans are 100% to blame, but as has been said many times, it's no wonder the players are bottlers when they only have to do something like pass the ball to the keeper to get booed / abused by absolute doughnuts in the stand.

[madsen5]

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I'll moan about things that are wrong if I want because for the past 6-7 years, alot (not everything) of what's went on has been a disgrace. And the people in charge don't give a toss. If they did, we'd have better players than the shower of pish that got us relegated.

Club doesn't wanted treated like a joke? Then they shouldn't behave like a joke club.

Haven't been back for 6 years along with
About another 3 thousand folk who had
Season tickets, took me almost 60 yrs to
Realise the club have no ambition.
When they show some myself and others
Will return. That is if there's still a club to
Return to .

[Hibby 2005]

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Yes I have had a wee boo on a few occasions, but explain to you why? You some sort of psychologist that is going to give me a lecture.

Me too had a boo, better than having a square go with someone sitting next to you.

[GreenOnions]

I have to say I have changed my season ticket seat several times in recent seasons solely because there's always at least one person (and usually more) right beside me who spends the entire game criticising the club, complaining and moaning about everything that's happening, loudly abusing our players/managers etc etc. I haven't yet been able to find a seat where there isn't someone trying to drain every last ounce of enthuisiasm and positivity out of me.

I understand the sentiment of the OP but clearly everyone has a right to attend if they want to.

However, for me - I genuinely find many Hibs supporters more depressing than our results. It's a grim experience sitting listening to moaning and complaining and constant negativity for the duration of a game.

The frustration is entirely understandable but I always feel we need to ask ourselves whether or not our behaviour is actually helping the team or not.

I don't know what the solution is - perhaps we should have segregation for happy-clappers and doom and gloomers? ;-)

[Stax]

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I have to say I have changed my season ticket seat several times in recent seasons solely because there's always at least one person (and usually more) right beside me who spends the entire game criticising the club, complaining and moaning about everything that's happening, loudly abusing our players/managers etc etc. I haven't yet been able to find a seat where there isn't someone trying to drain every last ounce of enthuisiasm and positivity out of me.

I understand the sentiment of the OP but clearly everyone has a right to attend if they want to.

However, for me - I genuinely find many Hibs supporters more depressing than our results. It's a grim experience sitting listening to moaning and complaining and constant negativity for the duration of a game.

The frustration is entirely understandable but I always feel we need to ask ourselves whether or not our behaviour is actually helping the team or not.

I don't know what the solution is - perhaps we should have segregation for happy-clappers and doom and gloomers? ;-)

Why do do you thnk everywhere you've moved your seat you've been confronted with the same negativity?

[GreenOnions]

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Why do do you thnk everywhere you've moved your seat you've been confronted with the same negativity?

That's quite good I have to admit

[CentreLine]

If people were wanting to make a statement that carries some credibility then they should give full and unwavering vocal support to the players wearing our jersey. But get coordinated enough to have a short one minute period of applause with a predetermined point. So for example if people know in advance that the point is Petrie Out and the whole home support joins in then The point is made with the minimum fuss and maximum effect. The whole of Scottish football would sit up and take note. As it is people shouting abuse in an inane way are just seen us a bunch of dafties with no credibility.

For best of both world get coordinate, make the point but get behind the team, win lose or draw

[HFC 0-7]

Let's not forget that it's what the fans have been subjected too for so many years that has created the booing. The people need to take responsibility for that and they need to do something about it.

Every year we have threads like this at the start of the season, 'FFS give them a chance they are just in the door, it's not his team, they need time to gel, we never got our first choice signings'. The outcome has been that the season was a disappointment and the fans that were slated at the start of the season for criticising turned out to be correct in their assessment.

Hibs have created this, this, not the fans. The lack of ambition on the footballing side was only ever going to create this sort of apathy and annoyance in the fans. Hibs fans are tired of seeing other clubs overcome difficulties quicker and more effectively than us, most of the time with smaller budgets.

If we showed ambition, intent to win the league with signings of quality etc it would transfer to the stands. Instead we are left to watch hibs being 'unlucky' which really translates to not having good enough players to take chances. We are left watching a hibs side captained by a player who also captained a side, and contributed to an embarrassing season ending in relegation.

We we have been fed rubbish from various managers about changing cultures, mentality of the players etc but nothing changed. You can see what Stubbs is trying to do, trying to pass instead of hoof, but when the chips are down the players start reverting to old ways. Let's not forget we are in a league with poorer sides, we should expect us to win these games and not get intimidated.

[Iain G]

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Let's not forget that it's what the fans have been subjected too for so many years that has created the booing. The people need to take responsibility for that and they need to do something about it.

Every year we have threads like this at the start of the season, 'FFS give them a chance they are just in the door, it's not his team, they need time to gel, we never got our first choice signings'. The outcome has been that the season was a disappointment and the fans that were slated at the start of the season for criticising turned out to be correct in their assessment.

Hibs have created this, this, not the fans. The lack of ambition on the footballing side was only ever going to create this sort of apathy and annoyance in the fans. Hibs fans are tired of seeing other clubs overcome difficulties quicker and more effectively than us, most of the time with smaller budgets.

If we showed ambition, intent to win the league with signings of quality etc it would transfer to the stands. Instead we are left to watch hibs being 'unlucky' which really translates to not having good enough players to take chances. We are left watching a hibs side captained by a player who also captained a side, and contributed to an embarrassing season ending in relegation.

We we have been fed rubbish from various managers about changing cultures, mentality of the players etc but nothing changed. You can see what Stubbs is trying to do, trying to pass instead of hoof, but when the chips are down the players start reverting to old ways. Let's not forget we are in a league with poorer sides, we should expect us to win these games and not get intimidated.

New season, new manager, new coaches. Are you saying we shouldn't give them a chance? Just because we have been let down recently doesn't mean we should be writing off players/the manager/LD after only three league games, one of which we actually won!!

They need a chance and they need our support right now.

[Thecat23]

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You know whats quite amusing.

A lot of people on here still using the 'bedwetters' term or a variant thereof where the same people calling anyone who dared suggest we might be relegated last season the same thing.

Maybe those who are a bit negative about our current situation are actually correct, just like they were last season.

How dare you speak sense like this. You better fall back into line and clap you you've never clapped before this Tuesday no matter what the score! Then come on here and praise the board or else. ;-)

[HFC 0-7]

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New season, new manager, new coaches. Are you saying we shouldn't give them a chance? Just because we have been let down recently doesn't mean we should be writing off players/the manager/LD after only three league games, one of which we actually won!!

They need a chance and they need our support right now.

Thats not what I am saying. The op is talking about the people that boo should stay away. My point is that there is a reason the fans are booing, years of utter rubbish on the pitch has taken its toll. There is still no intent being shown from the current board and owners. As per usual hibs are not ready for the start of the season whilst our rivals seem far better prepared. Fans have seen a change yes, but it's going to take more than a slight change to convince fans of a better future. There are a few constants at hibs, the owner, Petrie, some of the players but the mentality. Fans hope for change for the better, we are promised change for the better but there are never any real signs that change is about to happen.

We we must have cut the wage bill dramatically yet we see little activity in the transfer window. Again, our competitors doing more. The fans have sat back and waited on the performances, we have accepted poor seasons whilst stands and training facilities were built via borrowing and player sales all in the hope that money will now be spent on the team. It's just not happened and the fans now need a big gesture of intent from the club about how to progress. Not a faltering start to the season with little activity in the transfer window and having to watch a team still largely featuring players that were part of a relegated side.

[The Green Goblin]

Was just watching the Sportscene highlights just now and Accies - Partick was on. Was that a chorus of boos I heard from the home stands when Accies scored their first AND second goals?? Surely not. It`s only our fans that do such things...and that`s why we are where we are etc. etc. etc.

[The Green Goblin]

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Thats not what I am saying. The op is talking about the people that boo should stay away. My point is that there is a reason the fans are booing, years of utter rubbish on the pitch has taken its toll. There is still no intent being shown from the current board and owners. As per usual hibs are not ready for the start of the season whilst our rivals seem far better prepared. Fans have seen a change yes, but it's going to take more than a slight change to convince fans of a better future. There are a few constants at hibs, the owner, Petrie, some of the players but the mentality. Fans hope for change for the better, we are promised change for the better but there are never any real signs that change is about to happen.

We we must have cut the wage bill dramatically yet we see little activity in the transfer window. Again, our competitors doing more. The fans have sat back and waited on the performances, we have accepted poor seasons whilst stands and training facilities were built via borrowing and player sales all in the hope that money will now be spent on the team. It's just not happened and the fans now need a big gesture of intent from the club about how to progress. Not a faltering start to the season with little activity in the transfer window and having to watch a team still largely featuring players that were part of a relegated side.

100% my thoughts word for word (except you wrote it better than I could have).

[Iain G]

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Thats not what I am saying. The op is talking about the people that boo should stay away. My point is that there is a reason the fans are booing, years of utter rubbish on the pitch has taken its toll. There is still no intent being shown from the current board and owners. As per usual hibs are not ready for the start of the season whilst our rivals seem far better prepared. Fans have seen a change yes, but it's going to take more than a slight change to convince fans of a better future. There are a few constants at hibs, the owner, Petrie, some of the players but the mentality. Fans hope for change for the better, we are promised change for the better but there are never any real signs that change is about to happen.

We we must have cut the wage bill dramatically yet we see little activity in the transfer window. Again, our competitors doing more. The fans have sat back and waited on the performances, we have accepted poor seasons whilst stands and training facilities were built via borrowing and player sales all in the hope that money will now be spent on the team. It's just not happened and the fans now need a big gesture of intent from the club about how to progress. Not a faltering start to the season with little activity in the transfer window and having to watch a team still largely featuring players that were part of a relegated side.

We need to try and support the changes that Stubbs and Leeann are promising, criticising and booing and vitriolic attacks during the game at Craig, Stubbs, Lewis are not productive right now. Yes confidence in the team is still fragile, Stubbs can't work miracles in 2 months, especially if Butcher and Fenlon have failed to instill a winning mentality or even confidence in this lot over the last two seasons.

By all means vent at the end of the game, but targetting it at our own players during the match is not productive or supportive, that should be targetted at the opposition players!

We as a fans need to support this team right now, they need a bit of help and encouragements and getting on their backs is only going to make Stubbs job harder to turn it around from last year.

[GreenOnions]

This thread is as depressing as listening to the negativity in the stands during games. It saps the will to live almost more than our team's continued poor results.

One final point from me though - what I think some here are missing is that it seems to me we all agree that we have very good reason to be pissed-off and that our slide over the last few years has been painful to witness. The thing we disagree about is what's the most effective way for fans to help facilitate improvement.

[JimBHibees]

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We need to try and support the changes that Stubbs and Leeann are promising, criticising and booing and vitriolic attacks during the game at Craig, Stubbs, Lewis are not productive right now. Yes confidence in the team is still fragile, Stubbs can't work miracles in 2 months, especially if Butcher and Fenlon have failed to instill a winning mentality or even confidence in this lot over the last two seasons.

By all means vent at the end of the game, but targetting it at our own players during the match is not productive or supportive, that should be targetted at the opposition players!

We as a fans need to support this team right now, they need a bit of help and encouragements and getting on their backs is only going to make Stubbs job harder to turn it around from last year.

That is basically it. We need to support and have patience with the manager and the players in trying to develop a better more attractive style of play. This will take time. Please listen to the sort of timeline World class coaches like Van Gaal are talking about. Getting on players backs because they pass the ball back the way is beyond stupidity. We werent great in the second half on Saturday that is for sure however the fans IMO played their part in making it more difficult than it may have been.

[vahibbie]

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If the team started winning for a change, and managed to actually play football in the top league challenging for Europe and punched their weight, i wonder if the boo's would stop?

Its a novel idea i suppose, has anyone at the club thought of trying this?

I remember the Tornadoes tried it. Seemed to work and hardly a boo in sight :)

[Keith_M]

I totally get what the OP has said about abuse from the Stands. Expressions of dissapointment, moans and stuff are totally understandable but I think he's right that some people take it too far and create what can only be described as a poisonous atmosphere. I've had STs next to people like that in both the East and FF and they really were a pain in the neck for the other fans, never mind the players.

I disagree about coming on here to moan though. I think this is a much better place to let off steam than at the game. There's also no evidence to suggest that people whinging on here about our latest failure are necessarily abusing the players, they may well be getting behind them when actually at the game (a number of posters have said that's exactly what they do)


As for telling the minority of nutters not to come back, I'm not sure about that. Maybe Hibs could offer free therapy instead.

[Mikey09]

Before I stopped going to Easter road you could set your watch for the first idiotic shout at the fandans scapegoat for that particular season..... Some think they are funny, some think they are experts and tactical geniuses. Most however are shouted with absolute venom. Football fans are the lifeblood of there club, everyone knows that. But some really need to think about the effect there negative ramblings have on there OWN PLAYERS during games. Instead of blowing a gasket if a player dares to miss a chance or mis place a pass, take a deep breath and encourage them.... You would be surprised at how such a small thing can pick a player up knowing they are being encouraged by there supporters rather than barracked and humiliated..... Mikey's opinion only!!!

[Hibbyradge]

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Before I stopped going to Easter road you could set your watch for the first idiotic shout at the fandans scapegoat for that particular season..... Some think they are funny, some think they are experts and tactical geniuses. Most however are shouted with absolute venom. Football fans are the lifeblood of there club, everyone knows that. But some really need to think about the effect there negative ramblings have on there OWN PLAYERS during games. Instead of blowing a gasket if a player dares to miss a chance or mis place a pass, take a deep breath and encourage them.... You would be surprised at how such a small thing can pick a player up knowing they are being encouraged by there supporters rather than barracked and humiliated..... Mikey's opinion only!!!

It's not only your opinion, Mikey.

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And the award for the most self righteous post of the year goes too...

Thank you, sir, always nice to be recognised by your peers.

And a nice healthy discussion too with lots of varying opinions along the way.

To reiterate my point, I believe that the whole atmosphere at home games would improve without the boo boys and the abusers. I think the players would respond better to positive encouragement and I think it would reduce the fear factor that does have an impact on performance. I also think it would be a more enjoyable experience for the majority who aren't hurling abuse at every slack pass or missed opportunity.

I also think that the reaction to the weekend's result was way out of kilter with the actual performance on the pitch. Anyone who can't see the progress that the team is making compared to last season's dross doesn't know anything about football.

And so, I stand by my post, self-righteous though it may be, if you're only going to abuse the team, don't come back.

[HFC 0-7]

Let's not forget that this isn't just hibs where booing occurs, any team not getting results will have the booing. Football fans are passionate and the excitement to win and the hope for change easily boils over to disappointment. IMO, it's not unreasonable that we end up booing after what we have gone through. This is rectified by success on the pitch or real intent that can be seen from the owners in the form of funds to build a better team.

To say that these people should stay away is crazy, there was probably a thousand or so fans booing, take there £400 away each season and it won't help matters.

[The Leith Dutch]

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You know whats quite amusing.

A lot of people on here still using the 'bedwetters' term or a variant thereof where the same people calling anyone who dared suggest we might be relegated last season the same thing.

Maybe those who are a bit negative about our current situation are actually correct, just like they were last season.

Wouldn't have used the 'bedwetter' term but last year I would have been likely to disagree with those suggesting we might be relegated and I'd stand by that - our relegation needed a run of results that was world class awful: the 18 league games following the derby win was W1 D5 L12 and even then we still had to blow a 2-0 lead at home in the play off.

The fact that we did get relegated - as deserved as it was - was not something that shows insight on the part of those who predicted it in my opinion.

The negativity this season for me is very well justified.

We're already adrift of the top clubs, our first XI isn't too bad by the standards of the division but also isn't great and the squad depth is frighteningly poor - an injury to El Alagui or David Gray would have a big effect particularly as the latter would probably mean moving Forster to RB and further weakening the centre.

[jax67]

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many years ago when i was editor of hibernian's matchday magazine, alex miller told me that he hated making comments immediately after the game. His view was that when you're caught up in the emotion of the match you tend to say things that you'll regret in the cold light of the next again day. Nodding in to hibs.net and the pitiful hibernian news facebook page last night and this morning, you can't fail to notice a collective hysteria that confirms mr miller's observations of all those years ago.

The signs were there at the game, mind. One nutter near me was so red in the face with anger that a heart attack seemed imminent. And the bams who moaned at every long ball under butcher, were equally critical of every pass that wasn't in a forward direction yesterday.

And then there was the booing at the end. It's become a ritual at easter road. I'm almost certain that one day we'll win handsomely and some kids raised on booing will deliver their customary farewell to the team in a pavlovian response to the final whistle.

Although the club needs the money, i would say if you're going to be greetin' faced for 90 minutes and explode into a tirade of abuse at every mistake, then don't come back. I am sure that those of us who want to see the team continue to develop the brand of football introduced by our new manager would rather watch from emptier stands than be surrounded by your negativity which does transfer to the pitch and makes the job of our players so much harder.

So there you go. Cut up your season ticket. Join your wife or boyfriend for a trip to ocean terminal on saturday afternoons. Go to the zoo and stare at the pandas. Ride back and forward on the tram to the airport. Do whatever you like but don't come to easter road and don't come on here or on facebook moaning about everything to do with hibernian football club. You're dragging us all down and we don't need you.

brilliant post!!

[RedHibby]

I think all the supporters need to vent their anger at a board that is driving the club into oblivion.