Butcher still being paid by Hibs

[Borderhibbie76]

What petrie shouldn't have done was give him and malpas 3 and half year watertight contracts, same mistakes he made with previous managers. Why was there no relegation clause negotiated into their contracts? I thought Petrie was supposed to be a master negotiator?? Not this time, like with Yogi and Collins we are again left paying managers who no longer work for us!!

[Kaiser1962]

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What petrie shouldn't have done was give him and malpas 3 and half year watertight contracts, same mistakes he made with previous managers. Why was there no relegation clause negotiated into their contracts? I thought Petrie was supposed to be a master negotiator?? Not this time, like with Yogi and Collins we are again left paying managers who no longer work for us!!

I dont think Hibs are any different from anybody else. It's just football.

[Hibbyradge]

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What petrie shouldn't have done was give him and malpas 3 and half year watertight contracts, same mistakes he made with previous managers.

You should enter into the hind-sight championships. I'd put money on you.

Maybe Butcher and Co wouldn't leave ICT without some job security, particularly as Hibs have been shedding managers for fun.

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Why was there no relegation clause negotiated into their contracts?

How do you know there wasn't?

The players had one. I expect the coaching staff did too.

[Beefster]

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Paying his salary is a cheaper option for Hibs than if they'd paid him the compensation to which he was entitled.

Aye, it's all very well being logical and pragmatic but we're being held to a contract. It's outrageous. It's not like we expect in-demand Hibs players or managers to honour contracts or anything.

[Carheenlea]

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How do you know there wasn't?

The players had one. I expect the coaching staff did too.

If they are on gardening leave as such, it does not really look like it.

[(((Fergus)))]

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I dont think Hibs are any different from anybody else. It's just football.

Celtic had Lennon on a rolling contract. I very much doubt that would be a hinderance to a manager who genuinely thought he could succeed with Hibs.

[Hibbyradge]

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If they are on gardening leave as such, it does not really look like it.

Yes it does.

The players' contracts stipulated that their salaries would reduce should the team be relegated.

Same applied to the coaching staff.

[BSEJVT]

Another entirely depressing Hibs Net thread.

Just because certain posters don't think or don't like that something is the case doesn't make it any less so.

All the ranting and anguish about it, doesn't change it one iota.

Maybe if we started looking forward instead of back and shed the cloak of negativity worn close by so many, things would improve?

It's ****ing awful and embarrassing how badly we have ****ed things up, but we have, it's written into history.

Do you want to wallow in the misery of it all or start fighting back?

We have got to end the cycle if negativity, if we are to begin our recovery.

Butcher is into all this psychobabble, he will be pishing himself at the outrage his apparently innocuous comments have provoked.

[Hibbyradge]

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Another entirely depressing Hibs Net thread.

Just because certain posters don't think or don't like that something is the case doesn't make it any less so.

All the ranting and anguish about it, doesn't change it one iota.

Maybe if we started looking forward instead of back and shed the cloak of negativity worn close by so many, things would improve?

It's ****ing awful and embarrassing how badly we have ****ed things up, but we have, it's written into history.

Do you want to wallow in the misery of it all or start fighting back?

We have got to end the cycle if negativity, if we are to begin our recovery.

Butcher is into all this psychobabble, he will be pishing himself at the outrage his apparently innocuous comments have provoked.

I concur.

Apart from the phrase "psychobabble".

But we can discuss that later.

[TRC]

My question is if we had stayed up would he have been kept on?

[Boyle89]

What a ****ing dick! Cracking jokes. He should be hiding under a rock for a good time to come. How we couldn't just sack him for nothing due to being gash is beyond me!
Hope his garden dies and he gets stung by bees everyday! Didn't think I could dislike someone more than calderwood but I do!

[DH1875]

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Paying his salary is a cheaper option for Hibs than if they'd paid him the compensation to which he was entitled.

Yip, RP is to blame for a lot of things but this aint one of them.

[blackpoolhibs]

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Yip, RP is to blame for a lot of things but this aint one of them.

He appointed Butcher, and just a brief look at his career showed just how badly he'd done everywhere bar a short period of time at ICT.

O course Petrie takes a huge slice of the blame for his appointment and where we are now, along with the other welts he's put in charge of the team.

[Phil D. Rolls]

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What a ****ing dick! Cracking jokes. He should be hiding under a rock for a good time to come. How we couldn't just sack him for nothing due to being gash is beyond me!
Hope his garden dies and he gets stung by bees everyday! Didn't think I could dislike someone more than calderwood but I do!

By the sound of things, you've got plenty more in the tank.

[Russ]

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I think the article says more about Butcher than Petrie 2bh.

The article has actually filled me with rage. He seems to be bragging about his garden and enjoying being out of football.

That man, and that man alone, sucked this club lower than I believed possible. He should be utterly embarrassed and ashamed.

We all know how the press can spin a story, but let's all forget about that eh. BTW Le God as he is called on here did the exact same thing, and he was taking 2 wages, as a player and a manager.

[craigmounthibby]

We should all hope Butcher changes his tune & gets another job soon.....otherwise we'll be paying him for another 2 years. Other posters are correct in saying Pat Fenlon was also paid until his contract expired in June. Scott Thomson too.....although I'm unsure if his contract has expired. I expect the reason we haven't paid him and Malpas off, is because we can't afford it - name season ticket sales = name cash in the bank.

[Kaiser1962]

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Celtic had Lennon on a rolling contract. I very much doubt that would be a hinderance to a manager who genuinely thought he could succeed with Hibs.

That is very rare to sign a manager on a rolling contract from the off. They are usually once managers have been there a few seasons and things are going well.

[Forza Fred]

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We should all hope Butcher changes his tune & gets another job soon.....otherwise we'll be paying him for another 2 years. Other posters are correct in saying Pat Fenlon was also paid until his contract expired in June. Scott Thomson too.....although I'm unsure if his contract has expired. I expect the reason we haven't paid him and Malpas off, is because we can't afford it - name season ticket sales = name cash in the bank.

while I am glad Butcher and co are gone, and wish we could do other things with cash I am not unhappy that we honour a contract we entered into.

We berate clubs who go into administration, rob charities and then emerge debt free as 'cheats' so if we really DO believe in 'sporting integrity' then surely we should practice what we preach, and not try and renege on contracts

Oh, and before we enter into contracts, we should choose a bit more wisely.

I n this case it's not Butcher's fault, it's ours for employing him in the first place.

[Lucius Apuleius]

Should also write better contracts Forza.

[MWHIBBIES]

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my opinion though, which I'm entitled to.

Talking rubbish and then saying ''oh but its my opinion'' doesn't make it not rubbish.

[we are hibs]

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Talking rubbish and then saying ''oh but its my opinion'' doesn't make it not rubbish.

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[Forza Fred]

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Should also write better contracts Forza.

Agreed.

[thebakerboy]

Obviously it is cheaper in the short term to pay a monthly amount rather than pay full contract up front allows us to pay players or signing on fees.

[silverhibee]

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He appointed Butcher, and just a brief look at his career showed just how badly he'd done everywhere bar a short period of time at ICT.

O course Petrie takes a huge slice of the blame for his appointment and where we are now, along with the other welts he's put in charge of the team.

Where does the money come from to pay these managers while they do the gardening, ST money or some other revenue, is that Butcher Malpas and good guy Pat that Hibs are still paying, and is Rod taking a wage from the club right now.

Rods not to blame.