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10-06-2014 03:28 PM #3
not even in jest!! don't give the tache ideas!!! lol
Please come to Hibeeville
http://hibeeville.myminicity.com
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10-06-2014 03:43 PM #4
Only three men have won a major trophy with Hibs in the last 50 years. One is a club legend, sadly no longer with us, another uses far too much hair dye for a man of his age.
..and the other has a Champions League medal in his trophy cabinet.
Go figure.....
.....that said, even at his maddest and boldest, The Tache wouldn't dare, would he?
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10-06-2014 03:46 PM #6This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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10-06-2014 03:47 PM #7This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Lexo's only a year older then me ... Prime of life, I'd say!
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10-06-2014 04:21 PM #8
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after many of my formative years were spent watching his brand of football I'm amazed I'm still a Hibs fan!!!
he did win a trophy though & relegation was hardly ever a consideration
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10-06-2014 04:38 PM #10
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10-06-2014 04:44 PM #11
Gave us two decent years out of ten. As someone said earlier God knows how so many of us remained Hibbies watching his teams for so long. I always hated the way that he played the Hun card when fans were getting on his back. I didn't want rid of him 'cos he was a Hun I wanted rid of him 'cos the football was crap and we were going nowhere under him
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10-06-2014 05:38 PM #12
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Our (serious) decline started the day we got rid of miller. It summed up all that is wrong with us hibs fans and this play the game the hibs way nonsense. There is no such thing as a hibs way- unless of course you count catastrophic failure as being the hibs way. I hate this the miller teams were boring crap. We have seen over the last many years what real boring football is. Miller had some really good phases as the hibs manager and when he didn't have a good phase he shut up shop and made us difficult to beat. But no we weren't happy with this because it wasn't the hibs way.if you define how we have played over the last twent seasons the the hibs way is phish. Stop thinking a couple of good seasons with mcleish ( which by the way if butcher had signed over 50 players then even he would have won a game) and mowbray ( had the good fortune of having the team at the time the golden generation came through) define the hibs way. The hibs way on average over the last 20 to 30 years is to underperform.
if you prefer that to miller then maybe that is why we are in the state we are. Stop blaming Petrie all the time - let's look to ourselves.
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10-06-2014 05:46 PM #14This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I don't want him either but for someone to say no because all he will ever be is fighting relegation well..............in most of my 41 years as a Hibby so have Hibs unfortunately. We need someone to take us forward as a team, as a club and DL aint it. We need to get out of this cycle we have been in for most of my time. We are THE biggest underachievers in Scottish football given our fan base and the resources we have. We need to get back to Premiership and the to the top end of it as we should ALWAYS be, fighting for the top and to be winning trophies
But this was us under Miller, avoiding relegation was his No1 aim IMO. As long as that happened he was happy, anything else was a bonus to him. That is the kind of attitude we should never ever accept at Hibs. We should be better than that and I hope to God that we get someone in who will move the club forward. I think we have this in the boardroom now with LD, just hope a similar stuation happens in the managers position
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10-06-2014 06:01 PM #15
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and here we go again let's get someone who will take us to our rightful place at the top of scottish football- why would anyone want to come to us. We are in our rightful place at the moment we need someone who has the ability to get us out of it. Not someone who will give us the hibs way nonsense.
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10-06-2014 06:07 PM #16
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I can't believe after what we have just watched that people can still slag the miller years, ok at the time it seemed bad but not now. And I base this on watching a few videos I have of the crunchie, Jackson, wright days. Here's a question for you, name one (regular) miller centre half you wouldn't have had in our team this year.
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10-06-2014 07:46 PM #18
He was at the Partick game. I was in the Board Room and Directors Box he was sitting behind me and he was talking to the guy I was there with.
So either still has a soft spot for us or maybe another reason :)
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10-06-2014 07:53 PM #19This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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10-06-2014 08:52 PM #21
I grew up watching his football and I still remember my old boy telling me it'll get better took about 10 years mind but as a youngster you lived in hope
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10-06-2014 09:58 PM #22
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[QUOTE=eastterrace;4056818]miller had one of the worst derby records ever, and you say the decline started then when we punted him he was way past his sell by date, he was a boring twat.[/
Bad derby record and a Hun. Punt him. Stuff that slow but steady progress let's go all out for a derby win a season with catastrophic relegation at the end of it. I'll give you that butcher has a better derby record than miller. So does fenlon. And we have certainly had an exciting roller coaster ride since miller left.
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10-06-2014 10:00 PM #23This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Although Locke prefers number 1s...... All over his coupon apparently.
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11-06-2014 08:44 AM #24
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Think he was the manager for their 22 unbeaten run against us?? Wasn't he also the manager for a 7-0 grubbing by the Huns. Also the two ginger haired ladies who played virus with the surname miller, were they his sons? Wasn't there also a tie in with his wife and the catering? His signing of Keith Keith Keith seemed to change the way we played and there were a couple of good seasons with Darren Jackson and Mikey O'Neill, Mickey Weir and Pat McGinlay and even quite exciting fullbacks in Miller and Mitchell certainly in comparison to some of the dross we have witnessed in recent years and he even managed to replace Goram with Budgie and Leighton so did well there, and during that couple or so of seasons we also played an exciting brand of football. However he also signed Brian Hamilton, wasn't there a family connection there too, I know Hamilton played in the 91 cup winning team but never seemed to put his heart into his play. So all in all abysmal record against THEM, disgraceful defeat by the Huns, nepotism in his signings, pish poor attitude to the supporters and 2 decent seasons out of 10. I suppose most of the managers since have also managed a 20% record too, kind of says we have endured a lot longer than we initially think of pish poor football.
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11-06-2014 09:04 AM #25
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As for being a "Twat" , you obviously have never met the man .
One of the game's gentlemen , liked by the players , a first class coach and could spot young talent at an early age .
enjoyed his friendship while at ER
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11-06-2014 09:13 AM #27
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11-06-2014 09:44 AM #28
We musn't forget the dire state of the club before he took over too - we'd been rubbish since losing to Rangers in the 79 Cup Final. Apart from the McLeish team with LeGod and Latapy, Miller produced the best team I have seen at Hibs in over 30 years. His time just came to a natural end in my view, particularly when he started scrabbling around signing Ray Wilkins etc.
I think someone on Hibs.net wrote an excellent article a few years ago where they pointed a key moment in his tenure where he got it wrong and Hearts go it right (Hearts signed Colin Cameron we signed Ian Cameron!) and that affected our derby record in particular which led to growing frustration among the support. It's wrong of us however to be so harsh on the guy. He kept us in good fettle and clearly grew to love Hibs. If he only had that better derby record I reckon he'd be held in far higher esteem.
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11-06-2014 09:47 AM #29This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I understand that Butcher actually had more than 50 players on the books last year. I gather that one of LD's aims is to get the squad down to something in the mid-30's. This is much more realistic for a Championship side of modest past achievements.
On the whole, though, I agree with you. I've been guilty in the past of expecting far too much from the team and the manager, and I've vented my frustration on these forums. But in retrospect I now realise that given the circumstances many of those managers found themselves in, I (along with a whole lot of others) was being unfair.
It depresses me (and scares me, honestly) to see the same process starting to develop on this forum regarding Leeann Dempster. Eleven days in the job, and already the knives are coming out.
(Which is one reason I want Petrie OUT OF MY FOOTBALL CLUB. He compromises everything and everyone he touches.)
Bobby Williamson was working in a situation of self-imposed administration. Massive (and necessary) economies had been imposed from above after the whole financial structure of the club was thrown into chaos by the loss of major TV money back in McLeish's time. I suspect the same financial crisis was what really crippled Franck Sauzee.
Mowbray did miracles on a shoestring - though as you say he had the tremendous advantage of coming to a club with Brown, Thomson, Whittaker, Riordan, O'Connor, and Murray on its books. He managed to hold onto Caldwell, and was actually able to punt Brebner and McManus, thereby establishing that in the dressingroom, HE was The Boss.
My argument with Petrie (and to a lesser extent STF) is that we now have our 8th manager in 10 years) or something like it - I've lost count, tbh). And each one has come, seen, failed to conquer (except Collins, briefly, in March '07) and then left, usually 'by mutual consent' (which I don't freakin' believe). And each one left us in a worse state than before he came.
And the man who oversaw this charade is STILL HERE, STILL ISSUING STATEMENTS REGARDING CLUB POLICY AND PLANNING.
HE NEEDS TO GO - THAT'S ABSOLUTELY CLEAR TO ME.
But you're right - one of the things Hibs need right now is an a bit of humility on the part of the supporters. The truth is that while we've been laughing ourselves silly at the 'deluded Yams' across the city, we've been as deluded as they are. We've allowed a preposterous situation in our boardroom to go unchallenged year after year after year, on the basis that 'at least our books balance and we're not conning anyone like the Huns or the Gunts are'.
That was true, but look around - we're exactly where the Huns and the Gunts are, only WE don't have a manager, and we don't have even the beginnings of a first-team squad.
Honesty and prudence may be great virtues - I don't want Hibs to be speculating with money that isn't theirs, nor do I want us to go into major debt chasing pipe-dreams.
But I do expect the board of my football club to manage that club in a competent and effective manner, which, given the size of the club and the numbers of potential supporters we have, should not involve relegation from the top flight - certainly not relegation 'achieved' in the shambling, cowardly, dishonest, and acrimonious way we went down last season.
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