That's how long Butcher has been with us, and what a disastrous period it's been: -
P 29 W 6 D 8 L 15
It made me curious as to what impact our other recent managers had had in such a period of time, so I had a look. To be honest, it shows little more than how bad we have been for a long, long time - as well as strongly suggesting that retaining Butcher would be a very bad idea.
(Please note that I am using the 29 games purely as a period time as it's how many Butcher has had until now. As such, there is some overlap, as Calderwood and Hughes were only here for 49 and 54 games, respectively)
Fenlon
Last 29 - W 10 D 8 L 11
First 29 - W 9 D 5 L 15
Calderwood
Last 29 - W 7 D 8 L 14
First 29 - W 8 D 6 L 15
Hughes
Last 29 - W 6 D 6 L 17
First 29 - W 14 D 7 L 8
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Thread: 29 matches
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26-05-2014 12:15 PM #1
29 matches
Last edited by Stevie Reid; 26-05-2014 at 12:18 PM.
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I dread to think who Butcher will replace them with in a league that could arguably prove to be even more difficult.
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26-05-2014 12:32 PM #9This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Does this not just show that we keep changing managers and they've all been pretty awful?
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26-05-2014 12:34 PM #10
So the only worse comparable period was actually Yogi's last 29 as manager?
It's quite funny, cos I could tell you somebody on here that has been VERY vocal in wanting Fenlon, Calderwood and now Butcher to leave but criticised most of us for wanting Yogi out.
I'm obviously too much of a gentleman to say who it was
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26-05-2014 12:35 PM #11This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Worrying times. At this point in time, every other club in the Championship is more galvanised than we are, even taking into account all the nonsense at Rangers.
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26-05-2014 12:45 PM #12This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Believe me, I'd rather we didn't have to sack another manager, but to see us relegated from the position he was in when he took over is a quite stunning display of ineptitude. Sometimes it just doesn't work out for certain managers at certain clubs - we as a club, and Butcher as a manager, both have histories that show that only too clearly - and it's only too obvious that it's highly unlikely to happen for Butcher here. If the bad feeling and low morale continues into next season, I shudder to think how far we might fall, and how many years in the wilderness we may spend.
Make no mistake, every other Championship team will be rubbing their hands at the prospect of playing us next season, and not just from a financial point of view. We need someone to come in and get us up for what lies ahead - after us making a mess of Hearts' relegation season, if they get back up before us, then the balance we have to redress with them will probably be insurmountable. And that doesn't bear thinking about. I thought two years ago was rock bottom, yet here we are.Last edited by Stevie Reid; 26-05-2014 at 12:51 PM.
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26-05-2014 12:50 PM #13
I said this in another thread yesterday, but allowing Butcher to rebuild us is tantamount to not sacking Duffy in '98, then entrusting him to get us back up again - it would have been insanity then, just as this is now. We had McLeish come in and restore some pride and unite the club before we went down back then, and went into the First Division campaign with renewed optimism - even then we got a hell of a fright before we got it together.
I know Butcher got ICT up, but it was a less competitive league, and they had an inauspicious start, only winning it after going on an incredible run - they were 15 points behind Dundee in January. He won't have the luxury of that time next season.
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26-05-2014 01:30 PM #15
He has to go, he's burned his bridges with the support. Quite simply the worst football I've ever seen at ER with second rate cod psychology sound bites thrown in for good measure. Get him out.
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26-05-2014 01:36 PM #16
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He'll let him spend the player budget in the summer, sack him a few months in tae the season, the the next manager will have tae work with is players until he can make some useless loan signings in January........
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When I say "we" I mean those running our club into oblivion.
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