If we stay up, Butcher will continue I think. Get relegated and he'll be gone. I may be proved wrong, but I think it might be that simple.
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Thread: Butcher and His JOB
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12-05-2014 09:01 PM #31HIBERNIAN FC - ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY SINCE 1875
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12-05-2014 09:08 PM #32
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It's nauseating reading this tripe about "Fenlon's duds", Butcher has been in charge for 6 months for god sake. He has to go ASAP
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12-05-2014 09:14 PM #33This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
In every post I've made about Fenlon since he left I've said his time was up, but that doesn't change the fact that Butcher has unfortunately been an horrendous appointment.
Fenlon did much better with the players we had. Butcher was brought in to do better with what was there, then take us further. He has done much, much worse, and we have gone backwards at a startling rate - possibly as far backwards as it's possible to go, right into the Championship.
Fenlon is not to blame for where we are now.
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12-05-2014 09:17 PM #34
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12-05-2014 09:17 PM #35madhatterLeft by mutual consent!This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
You've also compared us to a relegation candidate in the EPL who gets approximately 30million a year in TV rights alone. It's all relative, right enough. Relatively not linked in anyway. May as well compare us with a failing Serie A team or Bundesliga team.
I've read drivel. But this takes the biscuit. On what planet can you say that a player that gets 300k per week is not responsible for his own performance and that of the team? Why have captains then, it's the manager's responsibility after all...
I guess, Wayne Rooney mumbling "Nice to see your own fans booing you, you football 'supporters'.", is right also? I guess he should be allowed to play like a blind man with no legs and yet he can dish it out to fans (paying on that occasion considerable amounts of dosh to support) and the manager's head is still the more likely to end up underneath the guillotine.
I can visualise it now. I'm sorry, I have been wrong. Surgeons have went in to the theatre and accidentally taken out a man's heart instead of his eye. Even though their superior (head of the hospital wasn't in attendance), they are to blame for their incompetence. Ah...
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12-05-2014 09:20 PM #36madhatterLeft by mutual consent!This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
You can also cover the costs of paying compensation at the club where this so called "ideal" replacement manager is. Or are you planning on becoming the manager?
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12-05-2014 09:29 PM #37This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Your argument back though is also flawed! 2.5 mil for a player in the EPL percentage of income wise is like us signing a player for £20k so hardly game changing!
What I think he is trying to get across is Crystal Palace are now organised, disciplined, have a work ethic and now hard to beat. All what we had hoped TB would bring to us. All things I had thought ICT had when he was there. He has brought none of that to us. You may need new players that suits his style of play buy a decent manager should at least get with the players at his disposal to do the above. A management team of 2 international defenders and we are a shambles at the back.
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12-05-2014 09:37 PM #38madhatterLeft by mutual consent!
Hilarious comments on here. Truly are. We've been in decline since 2007 at the very least and yet because the **** has eventually hit the fans (destined to happen as far as I'm concerned - it was coming), people are blaming the current manager. Truly despicable. Especially when, from what I've seen on this forum, people are taking the 5-1, 3-0 SC Finals with a positive spin, they are taking the fact we got into Europe as a positive. Even though fans turned up in large numbers to get humiliated and a result has now been inserted in a record book.
In their time, every single manager after John Collins has been woeful at best. Not just Fenlon. When we should have been a guaranteed top6 team, we have regularly flirted with relegation and often flattered to deceive. Finishing 7th or above and resorting more and more to simple football.
Players need to be culpable and it just shows what an easy life they get. Various first team members out getting ******* on the night we confirm our place in a relegation playoff. Our manager looking physically older, 7 months into the job. In fact, he also looks quite ill and who do the large percentage of fans attack? The manager. Absurd.
So much so, we had a thread here, where people were asking those revolted by the players going on a bender, if they knew the employment laws regarding this being a breach of contract? And that this is acceptable as they don't have another game for another 10 days...I truly hate to say this but people need to get a grip. You are attacking a man that does visibly seem to care - at the previous (mini) protest, he had the decency to address the fans even though the flak was directed at him - and in the same vein many of you say these players going for a few drinks is fine.
These people have the easiest job on the planet. If they can't abstain from drinking after losing a vital game, they are wasters. If they can't do their job, even to a basic level (keep the ball/stop ball going into own net) then it is their fault. I'm sure Terry would have loved to have been sliding face first to block Boyd's shot to help the team but he can't. He only has flat footed defenders at the moment.
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12-05-2014 09:40 PM #39This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Your point was it isn't Butchers fault, my point is that it is.
You can keep the snidey sarcastic remarks to yourself by the way.
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12-05-2014 09:41 PM #40This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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12-05-2014 09:50 PM #41madhatterLeft by mutual consent!This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
No, they are not comparable. 2.5mil gets you Joe Ledley. 20k gets you Kenny Deuchar. One you would say is more likely to change games. On the hand also, Griffiths vs Collins being an example of financial terms being an incorrect comparison also - players attitude and skill matter; not cost. However, regularly cost is linked.
Crystal Palace. How many internationalists do they have playing in first team (starting)?
Mariappa : 16 caps (Jamaica)
Dikgacoi : 54 caps (South Africa)
Delanny : 8 caps (Republic of Ireland)
Jedinak : 43 caps (Australia)
Chamakh : 63 caps (Morocco)
Ledley : 50 caps (Wales)
Bolasie : 3 caps (DR Congo)
Yeah, ICT had decent players as well. Do people honestly think that as a good manager you can achieve much with useless players? Is that what we're talking about here? Really? Shambles at back? Haha, that isn't due to McGivern and Nelson right enough. That's due to management team who haven't managed to bless Nelson and McGivern with the power of pace and with the power to pass a ball. Haha...
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12-05-2014 09:53 PM #42
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The players are culpable. What we looked for in Butcher was to work with them and maybe at least and I mean at least steady things. He hasn't steadied he has become as culpable as the players if not more so.
I expect a manager of this club even with these players to cobble more than one win in last 20. Terry has quite simply made a total mess of it this season.
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12-05-2014 09:53 PM #43madhatterLeft by mutual consent!This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Oh by the way, at no point did I say it wasn't Butcher's fault - go check my posts. I said placing all blame on this manager is ridiculous. Fenlon, Calderwood and all those that came before contributed to this. These players are contributing to this (in a great way). Whilst Butcher may not have had a great effect, these players should in their own right do better. They are paid to do better.
Snidey sarcastic remarks?
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12-05-2014 09:56 PM #44
Butchers made a lot of mistakes between alienating a lot of his squad, snap judgments on people but the biggest of them all was his total failure in the january transfer window. There was a budget there and he didn't maximise it or bring in better players. If his view is that the squad is that bad a man in his position should have brought in better IMO. Granted January is more difficult than the summer however you get 2 transfer windows a season and he failed badly.
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12-05-2014 09:56 PM #45This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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12-05-2014 10:00 PM #47madhatterLeft by mutual consent!This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
An example is Man Utd. Players didn't like Moyes; he got sacked. In all cases, did a good job at Everton and will be snapped up by another team soon enough. Is he a bad manager? Or were the players unprofessional?
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12-05-2014 10:04 PM #48
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12-05-2014 10:09 PM #49madhatterLeft by mutual consent!This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
He is to blame, the predecessors are to blame, the players are to blame. Change manager doesn't fix this; it is just passing the buck.
Anyway, have a good one!
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12-05-2014 10:11 PM #50
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12-05-2014 10:14 PM #51madhatterLeft by mutual consent!This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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12-05-2014 10:18 PM #53This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Butcher isn't absolved of blame for our current situation but the way things are panning out you'd think everything was fine until he took over. Our board will be laughing right now.
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12-05-2014 10:20 PM #54
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It is my opinion that these players were better than 11th. Now for me Butcher has played a huge part in that and let's say some of the players have dropped off there performance then why have they?
Now yes if a player has dropped his game that's a disgrace and I don't want us to have these type of players but equally I don't want a manager here causing that or not doing enough about it.
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12-05-2014 10:23 PM #55madhatterLeft by mutual consent!This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
If it was all down to the manager, why did Tony Mowbray (48.15% win ratio with us) fail at Middlesborough? Why is John Collins (42.59% win ratio with us) not managing one of the top French teams?
Do not misinterpret me though, Butcher has been an unmitigated disaster so far. The summer will be his time though and he has to be given that. He can then resign in November, so we can save money.
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12-05-2014 10:28 PM #56madhatterLeft by mutual consent!This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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12-05-2014 10:30 PM #57
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Mowbray got WBA job based on what he did at Hibs I guess largely doesn't mean it will work. I have never said it is all down to manager IMO these players though not the best for me were capable of better than 11th. We failed for me so I blame Butcher and if players dropped game that concerns me on TB influence also.
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12-05-2014 10:36 PM #58madhatterLeft by mutual consent!This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Until injuries occurred, Butcher played the same team that got him the consecutive wins. So, one can only assume players have dropped their games.
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12-05-2014 10:42 PM #59
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You say about lottery and new job but the players that are leaving have they a club to go to? Have any signed a pre contract? If not perhaps best to keep up with your best in case being watched.Last edited by Captain Trips; 12-05-2014 at 10:53 PM.
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