I can't help thinking this season is like the season when everybody wanted the boring Alex miller (swap for fenlon) out as we were going nowhere and the football was dire. Under miller we would not have been relegated but the football was becoming sterile, as I believe is the case with Fenlon. We got Duffy held in high regard by the media but never really had a fantastic record ( Terry Butcher). A new beginning and everybody looking forward to bright new future. Well we ended up in the relegation play off and survived (can history repeat itself) but it only delayed the inevitable. To me this is too much of a similarity and I hope to hell it does not end in relegation.
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11-05-2014 07:42 PM #1
Parallels with Alex Miller and jim Duffy
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11-05-2014 08:10 PM #6
Can mind of Hibs.T.V - and chic charnley saying how sorry he felt for the manager (Duffy)- and then Yogi - running nude behind them... tell me im wrong..
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11-05-2014 08:11 PM #7
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11-05-2014 08:46 PM #10
FWIW, Miller's cup record was very good - off the top of my head I can think of three Scottish Cup semi finals that we got to, along with the two league cup finals, with the one win. I may be wrong, but I also think that we only lost once to lower league opposition (Killie league cup 1992) in his time with us.
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11-05-2014 08:47 PM #11
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I remember under millar, every corner against us we would have 11 men in the box. We would win the corner and usually hoof it back up to the half way line. Where the opposition would take there time and send it back in again.
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Laudrup missed a penalty...And because it was Laudrup the ref made up his own rules and made him take it again...Leighton saved it again.
GIFRUY Laudrup
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11-05-2014 09:05 PM #14
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11-05-2014 09:05 PM #15
Ah Miller. Who can forget his "jump the shark" moment in signing Wilkins...
I was not-so-young child of the Miller generation attending my first game in 87/88.
Apart from the Hearts I went into games thinking we wouldn't lose (doesn't mean I thought we'd win). His defences (including his approach to corner kicks) were usually sound and Rangers 7-0 and a fee derbies aside we rarely got tanked.
His derby record was abysmal I'd like a copy of that chapter in his memoirs, the takeover and the Skol cup but I'd leave the rest.
Eternally grateful for the dignity and professionalism he showed during those dark days but as others said 10 yrs at the helm meant bed got stale and run out of ideas - Wilkins and Bannon FFS!
If nothing lease tho Miller was consistent - the wrong kind but consistent. He did also have some surprisingly good players and teams and his cup record is decent.
But Miller equating to Fenlon? Well Miller had money to spend and generally spent it wisely (selling one decent Wright for another excellent one). Disparity on Duration of stat also renders the comparison void - look at the number of ex-Hibs players from the Miller era that are now in management I'd bet very few of PFs journeymen end up as managers...
So not so hot on the parallels for me.
Terry and Duffy? Is Terry not less of a punt having managed somewhat successfully in the top-flight?
I dunno I'm rubbish at these comparisons ;)
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11-05-2014 09:14 PM #19
I'm talking about how everybody wanted rid of a manager who was not seen as playing good football but had teams who would never end up relegated. they get replaced by a manager viewed as playing good football and liked by the media and we all know what happened with duffy. I just hope history does not repeat itself.
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Definitely a major factor in Fenlon's case though - he probably won more cup ties than Mixu, Yogi and Calderwood put together, but it was a handful of cup defeats that were his most damaging results (5-1, 7-0, 0-1 Hearts LC) that did for him.
Getting to the latter stages of the Scotttish Cup and improving our league position were two things that would have been asked of him and he certainly delivered on that front - the uninspiring football may have been put up with for longer by many had it not been for such historic results (in the worst possible sense), as our league form and points total last season was a massive improvement. Even this year our first quarter form and points per game average had us on track for 52 points, one more than last year.
Anyway, I digress - under Miller we competed in the last four (or better) of the cups on average every two years. I consider that a decent return. Before Fenlon's arrival we hadn't had a day out in 5 years - we then had four trips to Hampden in 14 months. Sadly, he will forever be remembered for one of them in particular.
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