The big worry

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Jacomseven

I think short term is a bit more important than the long term, given present situation. What has East Mains brought to the table? Real Madrid sold their training ground and are doing not too badly.

[Michael]

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Jacomseven

I think short term is a bit more important than the long term, given present situation. What has East Mains brought to the table? Real Madrid sold their training ground and are doing not too badly.

Real Madrid are a financial disaster waiting to happen.

[Pete]

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Indeed. But if we end up in the championship, why would people suddenly decide to buy them?

If the sales are poor now, how would they suddenly improve if we end up in the championship?

Because we have a hard-core that will buy regardless of the division.

It's really about how much they will go down. You'd be a mug to pay £400 for something that you might get for £325 a few weeks later. The seats are held until the end of may so theres no panic.

[Speedy]

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Can't understand how some are thinking relegation may not be the bad with the Yams being down there and whatever that Govan mob are called these days (they'll always be the Huns to me).
As far as I'm concerned relegation could be a possible death knell for Hibs because it's unlikely, with the management set up we have, that we'd get back up any time soon. Hopefully, it won't come to that.

Some people wanted bottom 6 rather than top 6 not that long ago.

People are weird.

[Hibercelona]

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Because we have a hard-core that will buy regardless of the division.

It's really about how much they will go down. You'd be a mug to pay £400 for something that you might get for £325 a few weeks later. The seats are held until the end of may so theres no panic.

The club can't do that though.

They can't charge fans £400 right now, then decide that they're going to reduce their prices for everybody else if the championship is confirmed.

[Shields Hibee]

We've not heard anyone say how many ST's have been sold up to now though I along with the others I go with have renewed out of habit & hope more than anything.

Last time we went down we got back up because we had decent players, this time i'm not sure whether it would happen & whether we'd get big gates against Sevco & the mob from Gorgie is debatable.

If I was RP, I'd be offering sizable bonuses to that lot to stay up & hope it motivates them to get the right result over the 2 legs.

[hibsbollah]

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Sometimes you only need to know what 1 fact is in order to work out the other facts. Simply by using logic.

Brilliant. So im asking for some quantification of how relegation would affect us financially and why it would necessarily be a disaster, and your answer is a) cos so far we haven't sold that many season tickets as yet four months before the new season starts. Cheers for the 'logic'

[Hibercelona]

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Brilliant. So im asking for some quantification of how relegation would affect us financially and why it would necessarily be a disaster, and your answer is a) cos so far we haven't sold that many season tickets as yet four months before the new season starts. Cheers for the 'logic'

I'm not going to waste my time arguing this point with you. You'll see for yourself as it all unfolds.

[Pete]

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The club can't do that though.

They can't charge fans £400 right now, then decide that they're going to reduce their prices for everybody else if the championship is confirmed.

They can offer partial refunds surely?

Walk-up prices will go down so surely season tickets will have to as well. People aren't going to buy a season ticket for four ton if it's cheaper to simply walk up every game.

[hibsbollah]

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I'm not going to waste my time arguing this point with you. You'll see for yourself as it all unfolds.

You're not 'arguing the point' at all.

[emerald green]

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We would definitely have to start promoting youth. I don't know if that would be a good or a bad thing right now.

Of course relegation wouldn't be good but talk of the club never recovering is OTT.

How do you know it's OTT? What do you base that on? Have a look at some huge clubs (much bigger than Hibs) who were relegated from the top flight in England. Leeds United, Wolves, Sheffield Wednesday, the Bristol clubs, just off the top of my head. See how long they have languished in the lower leagues, with the consequent financial and reputational damage to these clubs. Surely people are not going to try to start putting a positive spin on getting relegated now. Jeez.

[Sir David Gray]

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I've heard so many times that 'relegation would be a financial disaster', but ive not had this quantified or qualified by anyone tv deal relative peanuts anyway, attendances might hold up, bumper gates vs Hearts and Rangers...IF we manage to get out of the championship quickly it might not be a total disaster.

How do you suppose we manage to get out quickly?

We don't have the money to throw at the problem like we had in 1998 when we last went down and brought in the likes of Paatelainen, Sauzee and Latapy. If it's actually possible, our squad is likely to be even weaker than it is just now.

With Hearts and Sevco in the league next year, yes we will have a few home matches with high attendances but what's going to happen the season after that if they both get promoted and we're stuck playing the likes of Alloa and Queen of the South every other week.

If we go down, I don't believe that we are in any way equipped to come back up any time soon and staying in the Championship for two or three years would cripple the club financially.

[Shields Hibee]

I'd be surprised if the club reduced the prices of ST's but they may extend the payment scheme long into the summer & hope that entices people to sign up.

I know someone who went to Sunderland ticket office & demanded to have a refund when they were relegated last time only to be told "we dont sell season tickets based on the league we'll be in, we sell for you to come & watch the team on the park!" No doubt Hibs will use a line such as "back Butcher's boys back to the big time by buying your ST now" or something like that.

[Pete]

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How do you know it's OTT? What do you base that on? Have a look at some huge clubs (much bigger than Hibs) who were relegated from the top flight in England. Leeds United, Wolves, Sheffield Wednesday, the Bristol clubs, just off the top of my head. See how long they have languished in the lower leagues, with the consequent financial and reputational damage to these clubs. Surely people are not going to try to start putting a positive spin on getting relegated now. Jeez.

Why don't you come back with some Scottish examples or similar sized clubs within a similar structure.

You can't make comparisons with English clubs.

[HH81]

I am convinced Hibs want an Edinburgh derby next season.

[emerald green]

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Why don't you come back with some Scottish examples or similar sized clubs within a similar structure.

You can't make comparisons with English clubs.

You seem to have missed the point. I'm not making comparisons with English clubs. I'm using them as examples to make the point that relegation would be a disaster for Hibs, and what the consequences of being relegated can be. What decent player would want to sign for Hibs and play in that league? There will be no Sauzee or Latapy to the rescue this time I wouldn't have thought. The often quoted example of a "big" Scottish club going down, and staying down, is Dundee FC. Heart of Midlothian went down in the late 70s and stayed down for two seasons and there was no Rangers down there then. If Hibs go down, they could be down for maybe three or four seasons IMO. Do you think it would be a good idea to be relegated? Ask the players, manager and directors of HFC if they think it would be a good thing for the club.

[hibsbollah]

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How do you know it's OTT? What do you base that on? Have a look at some huge clubs (much bigger than Hibs) who were relegated from the top flight in England. Leeds United, Wolves, Sheffield Wednesday, the Bristol clubs, just off the top of my head. See how long they have languished in the lower leagues, with the consequent financial and reputational damage to these clubs. Surely people are not going to try to start putting a positive spin on getting relegated now. Jeez.

Its not about putting a 'positive spin' on it. I'm just questioning the 'disaster' and 'the club might never recover' chat. And although the English comparison isn't that helpful because of the different rewards on offer, I can tell you that my cousins are Sheffield Wednesday season ticket holder s and yeah, theyd rather be playing in the top league, but they still get big crowds and they're enjoying attending games as much as ever. Being stuck in the lower league hasnt 'killed them as a club', to borrow a phrase.

[Sammy7nil]

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We're back to hoping a bunch of loanees and players on the way out the door to perform in the biggest games for a long time. I'm not sure how you motivate players who look like they have been on the beach for the past 2 weeks and quite frankly probably resent working "overtime" over the next few weeks. Butcher and Malpas have their work cut out. I know it goes against the grain for Rod but the only way I can see us getting anything out of these impostors would be to offer sizeable win bonuses. I personally would find it galling to reward these clowns but I'm not sure how else we get something out of them.

Going down is a financial disaster and even though they don't deserve it Rod may be wise to make it worth their while. To that end even a season ticket holder I'd be happy to pay for my ticket to the play off games.

I agree but it sticks in the throat to reward a season of failure but we simply have to. At least 50% of the team do not give a hoot what happens to Hibs or what league we are in next season.

[emerald green]

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Its not about putting a 'positive spin' on it. I'm just questioning the 'disaster' and 'the club might never recover' chat. And although the English comparison isn't that helpful because of the different rewards on offer, I can tell you that my cousins are Sheffield Wednesday season ticket holder s and yeah, theyd rather be playing in the top league, but they still get big crowds and they're enjoying attending games as much as ever. Being stuck in the lower league hasnt 'killed them as a club', to borrow a phrase.

As I said in my earlier post, I am not making comparisons with English clubs. Read my post again. I'm not sure I fully understand your point about "the English comparison isn't that helpful because of the different rewards on offer". I note your cousins support Wednesday & would rather be playing in the top league. Same her as far as Hibs are concerned. How long have SW been out of the top league now? I would guess their crowds are nowhere near as big as they would be if they were in the Premiership, and the financial knock-on effect. Do you think Hibs would survive in its present format if we were out of the SPFL for as long as Wednesday have been out of the premiership?

[NOLA]

We support the club no matter what league we play in, for sure we want to be in the top league but being in the championship isn't going to kill us. I'm a hibs fan, not just a hibs fan cause we play in the top league ;)

[emerald green]

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We support the club no matter what league we play in, for sure we want to be in the top league but being in the championship isn't going to kill us. I'm a hibs fan, not just a hibs fan cause we play in the top league ;)

We don't all support the club, "no matter what league we play" in I'm afraid. Relegation often means lower attendances. Before anyone says it, yes we will play HOMFC & Huns but possibly only for one season if they both get promoted. Yes, we got good crowds last time we went down, but that was simply because we were winning most weeks due to Sauzee, Latapy, Mixu, Zitelli etc coming to the rescue. It aint gonna happen next time.