Players have chucked it.

[Ronniekirk]

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Sign of a good manager is managing players well to get the best out of them. I thought Butchers appointment was for the better, now I'm not too sure, either there is something rotten too the core at Hibs or Butcher isn't able to do what we hoped he could.

We are in freefall and it looks like we are playing without any clear plan apart from punt the ball up to Collins, missing out the midfield and giving cheap possession back to the opposition. The most alarming thing is the lack of chances we are creating, you always feel confident that even if you are losing games but creating changes that at sometime it will turn and you take some of your chances. How many times lately have we come away from a game without having a shot on target, even worse when it's at home.

It's time for the management team to show us what they have, regardless wether it's there team or not, they knew what they had to work with and if it wasn't good enough then they should of waited till the summer before they took over.

He was not available for interview folk saying he tore into players at half time and again at full time and it could be heard by people walking past . the problem is players are not responding to this style so he is wasting his time and that style may be one of the contributory causes of us going into free fall.I don't think any of us saw this coming .Thompson did well when he came on against Hearts but can't even get game time .why bring Cummings on for his appearance money ,Collins was doing nothing for last part of game so at least give another striker an opportunity .Handling just hasn't progressed ,you could go on and on but now looks like T B has run out of ideas .The question now is can he get them up for st midden game as we need to start getting draws ,but to do that we need to score as that defence just can't keep a clean sheet and you can't see where goal is coming from .even set pieces were poor in main tonight .Would Heff had made any great difference to result I don't think so but if groin again then he isn't going to be match fit for next game in which McGivern is suspended.Time for youth? He clearly doesn't think so ,maybe feels with foster Stanton Harris and Watmore he can't risk anymore but can they really do any worse .

[OsloHibs]

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Maybe because when he first indicated he`d take the job the squad wasn`t so bad ? Maybe we still had LG and Claros and thought we`d be keeping them ? Also money I suppose . If we`re relegated , Butcher will get compensation if he doesn`t resign , will son get another job in Scotland and won`t be too bothered about reputation in England as he`s already a failed manager there .

So you also think he has made the players worse?

[Ronniekirk]

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Any team that can do the very basics in defending will fancy their chances against this side. We don;t even look like scoring - zero shots on target tonight, yet again.

Would like to know what they do in training ,as no evidence this team has been working on things during week that they are brining into a game .

[Ronniekirk]

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So you also think he has made the players worse?

Reverse that and ask on current form has he made them better ?

[Alfred E Newman]

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Lewis works hard and cares for Hibs but he is everything that is wrong with us just now! He's just a hard working player Hibs deserve better and we need top 6 players. Lewis would not get in a top 6 teams.
Ps not having pop at Lewis as there are worse players at Easter Road just now

He is no world beater but at the moment we need more Lewis Stevensons.

[inglisavhibs]

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I think Stevenson and Collins had decent games tonight with little reward, but even so neither of them should be playing for Hibs imo.

The only players worth keeping are Forster,Robertson and Stanton, possibly Hanlon and Harris if given time, and I would happily empty the rest....if we can scrape through and avoid the playoff position and start again next season, total shambles. :(

Agree with this, although I would keep the goalie if possible and we would struggle to get a better left centre back than Hanlon. I don't think there is any lack of effort,just a lack of talent. Excluding Stanton we are second to every ball in midfield and up front. Our team tonight would really struggle against any team from the championship. We have a huge battle to stay in this league.

[Sammy7nil]

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So you also think he has made the players worse?

It is not up fot debate it is a FACT Butcher as managed what we thought was impossble and made the players worse .

For what ever reasons the players cannot work to Tel:s "plan" and Tel cant adapt the "plan"

[Boyle89]

I thought they had chucked it after that performance tbh. Only Stevenson and Collins (for a short while) looked like they were wanting to win the tackles.
Upon reflection I now think it's a mixture of not caring and the fact that we really are just rubbish.

[spike220]

I thought Lewis Stevenson was great!

[Onion]

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I thought Lewis Stevenson was great!

Stevenson did well but his application tonight was no better or greater than the 11 Hearts players that took the field last Sunday. It's the 7 or 8 losers that are the problem.

[emerald green]

[QUOTE=Nailrod;3962007]I hate to repeat myself but this is bullsh*t. Nobody would have said that about any of the guys we brought in at the start of the season.

There's something fundamentally rotten at ER and until that problem is solved nothing is going to change.[/QUOTE]

Spot on. Why is there something fundamentally rotten? That's the $64,000 question. It's been the subject of numerous debates, opinions, theories on these threads and elsewhere for a long time, but nothing changes. On tonight's evidence, things are getting worse, and the club seems to be about to implode. It's got to the stage that the manager's assistant is swearing at fans. A sure sign a club is in trouble when people connected to the club start to turn on each other. Sad.

[AlbertK86]

Stevenson Forster and Stanton were the only pass marks for me.

These 3 and Harris are the only ones from that outfield ten I would keep next season

Nelson is possibly the worst passer of a ball I have seen since Benny Brazil

It does look like the OP is right

We need to pull out a result from somewhere but to be honest I cannot see where it is coming from

One thing I do know is that the fans need to back the team. Even in the first 10 mins when we were on the attack a couple of guys in sect 43 row M were absolutely losing the plot and firing ridiculous personal abuse at individual players

I understand everybody's frustration but this certainly doesn't help anyone.

I tried to tell them to back the team but they looked at me as if I was daft !

[scoopyboy]

I hate it when Lewis Stevenson gets MOTM, it means we haven't won the game.

He deserved it tonight IMO but it is because nobody done anything constructive, ie making or scoring goals in a Hibs win.

I like the guy but when he is MOTM it is a Hibs defeat most of the time.

[Sir David Gray]

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I hate to repeat myself but this is bullsh*t. Nobody would have said that about any of the guys we brought in at the start of the season.

There's something fundamentally rotten at ER and until that problem is solved nothing is going to change.

I said when Butcher came in that we would be revisiting the same discussions that we had been having at the start of the season, when Fenlon was in charge, in around 18-24 months' time.

In actual fact those discussions have started inside five months and already there's people questioning Butcher's suitability for the role of Hibs manager.

The real problems lie at the very top of the club and until those issues are addressed, we will continue to go nowhere.

I said it when Fenlon left back in November and I stand by that.

[seanshow]

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I said when Butcher came in that we would be revisiting the same discussions that we had been having at the start of the season, when Fenlon was in charge, in around 18-24 months' time.

In actual fact those discussions have started inside five months and already there's people questioning Butcher's suitability for the role of Hibs manager.

The real problems lie at the very top of the club and until those issues are addressed, we will continue to go nowhere.

I said it when Fenlon left back in November and I stand by that.

The thing is, even if the club is 'run as a business and not a club' or 'overstaffed in the wrong areas' or 'The Tache as governor' whatever the reason may be......Purely on income alone we are punching below our weight! we get double the crowds of most of the other teams and therefore should be able translate that into a top6 finish minimum every season.
The blame falls at the feet of the players( although the ball rarely does) and those who select them.
Hopefully a couple of wins and roll on next season bacuase this is embarrassing.

[Sir David Gray]

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The thing is, even if the club is 'run as a business and not a club' or 'overstaffed in the wrong areas' or 'The Tache as governor' whatever the reason may be......Purely on income alone we are punching below our weight! we get double the crowds of most of the other teams and therefore should be able translate that into a top6 finish minimum every season.
The blame falls at the feet of the players( although the ball rarely does) and those who select them.
Hopefully a couple of wins and roll on next season bacuase this is embarrassing.

Barring a couple of decent spells here and there, we've been garbage for pretty much the last seven years.

Over that time, we've tried replacing the manager on five separate occasions and have had several hundred players play for us during that time and yet we're still being dished up the same nonsense season after season.

People keep blaming the players and the managers but who hires the managers?

The people running the club are failing in every aspect when it comes to the fundamental objective of every football team on the planet, which is to win football matches.

[snooky]

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Stevenson Forster and Stanton were the only pass marks for me.

These 3 and Harris are the only ones from that outfield ten I would keep next season

Nelson is possibly the worst passer of a ball I have seen since Benny Brazil ......

My thoughts entirely.

Lewis MOTM by a mile (and I kinda agree with Scoopyboy's point).
BTW, LS killed two high balls tonight in a Murphesque fashion - just thought I'd mention that.

I think Craig should have been subbed at halftime. That would have saved him the personal embarrassment of a 10 minute spell in the second half where he performed like someone who had never played a game of football in his life. I really felt sorry for him.

Hibs - Physically weak & slow, mentally slow, lazy, poor formation, no ariel threat, no class, em, where do you want me to stop?
IMO playing one up front at home is equivalent to Potter's infamous 'none up front' tactic.

Finally...
Another poor exhibition of refereeing and 'linesmaning'.
The amount of calls they got wrong tonight re. throw-ins, corners, offsides, etc (for both sides) must be a new game record.

And btw, the right hand post at the FF end had a good game.

[eggbamyasi]

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Just remind me which are the ones with blistering pace? Which are the strikers? Which are the leaders on the park? None of them are and none of them were at their previous clubs.

Butcher has inherited a misshapen and imbalanced squad. The only thing disguising that previously was the glorious, instinctive, gifted footballing daftness of Leigh Griffiths.

This is a crisis made by Pat Fenlon. It is his aircraft that Butcher finds himself flying without engines, wings or landing gear.

Totally agree.

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[Steve20]

The players chucked it a while ago.

Hoofball tactics and 4-5-1 are not helping either.

[Aldo]

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My thoughts entirely. Lewis MOTM by a mile (and I kinda agree with Scoopyboy's point). BTW, LS killed two high balls tonight in a Murphesque fashion - just thought I'd mention that. I think Craig should have been subbed at halftime. That would have saved him the personal embarrassment of a 10 minute spell in the second half where he performed like someone who had never played a game of football in his life. I really felt sorry for him. Hibs - Physically weak & slow, mentally slow, lazy, poor formation, no ariel threat, no class, em, where do you want me to stop? IMO playing one up front at home is equivalent to Potter's infamous 'none up front' tactic. Finally... Another poor exhibition of refereeing and 'linesmaning'. The amount of calls they got wrong tonight re. throw-ins, corners, offsides, etc (for both sides) must be a new game record. And btw, the right hand post at the FF end had a good game.

I would play Lewis at LB from now until he end of the season.

As for Craig, Snooky I'd like to disagree with you if I may...... Craig should be nowhere near the team let alone be club Capt. Spineless coward of an individual that purports to be a professional footballer. Waste of a jersey and a wage thief.

[The Sea-gull]

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I hate it when Lewis Stevenson gets MOTM, it means we haven't won the game.

He deserved it tonight IMO but it is because nobody done anything constructive, ie making or scoring goals in a Hibs win.

I like the guy but when he is MOTM it is a Hibs defeat most of the time.

Agree. If Stevenson get the man of the match it is usually when there is not outstanding candidate in a dire performance so they are just looking at who has tried the hardest.

I like Lewis and he would always have a place in my squad but not in my team if everyone is fit and on form. The fact that he has had so many games for Hibs in the last 4 years is a sign of the amount of dross we have had rather than his own abilities as a player.

[Chump]

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Just remind me which are the ones with blistering pace? Which are the strikers? Which are the leaders on the park? None of them are and none of them were at their previous clubs.

Butcher has inherited a misshapen and imbalanced squad. The only thing disguising that previously was the glorious, instinctive, gifted footballing daftness of Leigh Griffiths.

This is a crisis made by Pat Fenlon. It is his aircraft that Butcher finds himself flying without engines, wings or landing gear.

What a crock of *******....Butcher has stuck it on autopilot and is away with MM for a 3some with the air hostess

[Paloschi]

Bunch of complete wasters.

How many times will we have a team that lets us down constantly? I was at the game last night and the Dundee United game and it's like we do not even try to win games? No chances or shots on goal.

[Keith_M]

The defense is definitely missing Hanlon. It seems strange writing that, considering the amount of people that have slated him previously. I wouldn't like to see him leave.

Also, it must have been a bit of a bummer for Butcher to have finally put Heffernan in the starting line-up yesterday and then see him get injured in the warm up. 'm not saying for a minute he was going to solve all our problems on his own but most of us have been questioning why he hasn't been getting a start, to at least try him.

[GGTTHibees]

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Get every single one of them as far away from Easter Road as possible.

Stevenson works his hardest and is good. Collins works his hardest and is *****. The rest don't care about the club

[Speedway]

There is no player worth keeping at the club currently. You think anyone at the Mothers has spent the whole season worried about relegation?

We've got no-one who is hungry for success enough.

[AlbertK86]

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There is no player worth keeping at the club currently. You think anyone at the Mothers has spent the whole season worried about relegation? We've got no-one who is hungry for success enough.

For me Lewis Harris Stanton and Forster from last night plus Robertson and Thomson

Rest can bolt

[One Day Soon]

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What a crock of *******....Butcher has stuck it on autopilot and is away with MM for a 3some with the air hostess

You've an appropriate nom de plume Mrs Fenlon.

Butcher is presently trying to make a silk purse out of a pig's bowel movement. That squad is as convincing as a set of footballers as my 16 year old black and white cat is convincing as a lion.

Turning a dressing room, a squad and a club's mentality into loser/George Street/hiding/wage thieving can be done easily and relatively quickly. Turning it around again takes time - several signing windows, long term planning and the grit to see it through if you want to complete it properly.

We have had a series of 5hite managers, a dressing room revolt, serial crap signings, a partying welts culture and a support more disappointed, humiliated and let down than the wife of a French President.

The one sure way to fail yet again is not giving the manager the time to get it changed.

[Dashing Bob S]

Tel's up for a scrap, of that I've no doubt, but so was was Yogi, and he couldn't carry the players with them either.

[monktonharp]

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I hate it when Lewis Stevenson gets MOTM, it means we haven't won the game.

He deserved it tonight IMO but it is because nobody done anything constructive, ie making or scoring goals in a Hibs win.

I like the guy but when he is MOTM it is a Hibs defeat most of the time.

he is a trier, but that is all he is IMHO. he puts in an occasional decent cross if he manages to get near the edge of the 18yard box. he scored a goal this season, big deal! he's a midfielder, and I'd expect a half dozen from each midfielder in a season. the real problem is not him, but when he gets MoM then there is a bloody big problem. who is the club captain? if it still is Craig, he should immediately be stripped of it and it should be given to Katie. therein lies a real big problem, and that is that the management team cant (for the life of me) do that.Collins is pretty poor at times, but I don't think you can rely on a one man band upfront, and all he seems to do is run about like a headless chicken trying to feed off scraps or slip-ups from the opposing defenders.I hate to critise players, although I have in the past but Christ knows what we are going to see nearer the season end. I was puzzled that Heff did not appear last night, only to hear at the end of the game that he got injured in the warm up. somehow cant see Haynes doing much in the countdown, and the young front players have hardly scored a goal amongst them!