Most of the players are good enough for survival, but not much else. We need a few quality players to come in and lift the entire squad. I firmly believe this will happen in the summer window. We're only a player or two away from being 2nd in the league. That is reality, and what I'm looking forward to.
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22-03-2014 11:13 PM #91
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22-03-2014 11:16 PM #92This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I'm not denying that the board have done good for the club in the past. I'm not sure if they're right for the clubs future now we're in a good position and need to focus on what's on the pitch.
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22-03-2014 11:17 PM #93This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
i quite agree with you. I really do think we will see a good few players arriving in the summer.No Eternal Reward Shall Forgive Us Now For Wasting The Dawn
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22-03-2014 11:19 PM #94This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteNo Eternal Reward Shall Forgive Us Now For Wasting The Dawn
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22-03-2014 11:27 PM #95This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
We should be focusing our attention on getting an answer to the million dollar question though.
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22-03-2014 11:33 PM #96This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Stadium ...Check
Training Ground...Check
International multi capped , successful Manager ....Check
International multi capped Assistant manager ....Check
Decent players playing well for their old clubs ....check
The only thing left is finance.No Eternal Reward Shall Forgive Us Now For Wasting The Dawn
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22-03-2014 11:34 PM #97
There seems to be quite a lot of people starting to question the board just now, and I wonder why? I was one of RP's biggest critics a few years ago but I look across the road now and think thank christ the board had a bigger collective brain than me. Financially we are on a pretty sound footing, we have facilities and a stadium that is the envy of every club outside the OF, and I wonder now, I ask myself. Would the people who managed to bring all this for us, not realise that we might need a team to enhance the surroundings? - or were they simply putting the foundations down first? Give it a bit of time and I'm sure we will all reap the rewards. Starting next season.
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22-03-2014 11:41 PM #98This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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22-03-2014 11:45 PM #99
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We signed Tudur Jones and Liam Craig......could have had Willo Flood.
Signed Nelson, let McManus and McCourt train for a week and then FO to other clubs.
Yep, I blame the Board. No ambition.
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22-03-2014 11:52 PM #100
Everyone that doesn't pull their weight in the squad out. New players in.
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22-03-2014 11:53 PM #101This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteNo Eternal Reward Shall Forgive Us Now For Wasting The Dawn
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23-03-2014 12:16 AM #102This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Ending up with the likes of Michael Nelson, Fraser Mullen and Rowan Vine in our first starting eleven of the season - after about five minutes of the match I just couldn't believe how we'd signed players like that. Also - I don't think Callum Booth was ever as bad as Ryan McGivern or the "new Roberto Carlos" - in fact despite some errors defensively he showed a lot of promise and yet he was banished from the first team and then from the club before you could even blink.
I think we need to give some of our players a break though - they will be much better when they have better players around them.
I think Forster (as a centre back), Hanlon, Thomson, Robertson, Stanton, Craig and Harris are definitely players we should be keeping if we can and I woudn't be unhappy if they were all in a first team. I think Lewis Stevenson is also a good player to have around the squad and I hear positive things about some of our other youngsters.
As far as I'm concerned though that means that Nelson, McGivern, McPake, Taiwo, Cairney, Tudur-Jones, Heffernan, Caldwell, Handling and Collins should go if they are out of contract or if we can move them on.
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23-03-2014 12:30 AM #103This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I would really like (but don't expect) to hear a range of honest views from current and ex players/staff. Particularly if they can compare with other clubs in Scotland. I never hear the honest opinions of people on the inside. Ive stopped watching the Hibs interactive interviews because they often come across a bit cagey or defensive. Some of the interviews allude to divisions within the squad. This is perhaps not surprising as there has been little continuity in personel. Our players sound like defensive individuals trying not to say the wrong things to the fans, but almost no belief comes through. Its been like this for years.
I just hope that Butcher can punt enough of our current squad to enable a total rehaul of the mood/atmosphere/team spirit.
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23-03-2014 12:40 AM #104This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Throw enough **** and some of it will stick, that is your way of trying to make a point.
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23-03-2014 07:53 AM #105This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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23-03-2014 08:43 AM #106This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
We have chopped and changed ,had to bring in assistant managers to try and shore up the manager .Reintroduced. Scouting system that had been allowed to lapse .
If we believe the current Management team is the right one then we have to give them the three years of contract but at some point have an eye on who would succeed them eg Jackie McNamara if he continues to do well at United .If we need to pay to get the right people in we need to do that .
But we can't underestimate the mess that had has been made of our club over the past seven years and we have a Reputation to rebuild .Aberdeen are just now embarking on that ,and you can see see how it's galvanising them and their supporters ,so Rooney was always going to pick them over us even if we did offer permanent contract IMO .However the fact we didn't offer a Permanent deal was a mistake as you can see what he would bring to us .My point is that the Board Panic at times and didn't get Leigh when they could of as it would have been an investment even if we had to shell out £ 500,000 it was obvious we would recoup that Pissing about upping bids and losing out on Lyle Taylor if he was managers no 1 choice was another example However they then go and back the Manager at end of a Transfer window in a panic and we end up with Collins who you now couldn't give away .The board see that and then don't want to part with more cash given our tight financial structure.
So we need to look at what these teams have done right as the blue print is there for us to see but do we have right Board Members to bring this about .Its not stadiums and training facilities as nice as they are to have .Its the right people with the right skill sets ,be it manager coaches scouts psychologist physio etc .If we get those Foundations right we can build a team and then tinker with it each transfer window .But when we don't we see these wholesale squad clearances that can't be engineered without making players unhappy ,and then being left with some of them in squad
So summer is part one of this Transformational change that needs to take place at our club and fans who go to meetings with board need to articulate the vision and passion we have for the club to find a way the Board can support this Petrie has admitted failings but what are Board doing to learn lessons and ensure we don't keep making these same mistakes .
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23-03-2014 08:56 AM #107This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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23-03-2014 09:08 AM #108
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23-03-2014 09:24 AM #109This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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23-03-2014 09:46 AM #110This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Then when you ask who and what meddling is being done, you never get an answer to that either?
Was there meddling ar aberdeen while they were as poor as us, although it must be a good type of meddling they are getting at the moment, or is it just the introduction of a decent manager who's identified some decent players and moulded them into a decent team?
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23-03-2014 10:00 AM #111This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
One good whole hearted clean out is my hope for a revival.
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23-03-2014 10:12 AM #112
We need to get back to the team that beat hearts in January....however confidence is low and getting lower every time they lose!
Maybe we need to do something different, a 5-3-2, 5-4-1aim for the draw but hope to steal the game?
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23-03-2014 10:23 AM #113This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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23-03-2014 10:24 AM #114
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I feel that we don't have any leaders on the park, too many wishing to pass the buck. Get rid of some of the journey men, use there wages to invest in 2/3 quality players through the middle of the park who will guide and develope the younger players around. We've never had a true leader since Sauze
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23-03-2014 10:44 AM #115
When the butcher appointment came about I was very worried. He had good success with an Inverness club who have never ever achieved anything, was average at Motherwell and dire at Brentford etc.
What ever you think of butcher good or bad he has made some god awful decisions:
Told Taiwo and Thomson they weren't his kind of players and don't expect to play.
Gets rid of Scott Thomson the goalie coach, who to my knowledge is down in England 3 days a week leaving Ben Williams to take goal keeping practice.
Undermind hibs under 20s coach James mcdonaugh on several occasions.
Made Liam Craig (proven SPL box to box goal scorer) captain then leave him on the bench most weeks.
Now people can argue all they want with these points but it's my opinion, guys like butcher work well at small clubs, picking up lower league players and making them hard to beat, that hibs squad should perform a lot better and it's upto the management to get the best out the players.
All this talk about the players not giving a **** etc? Why would they ? Some have been told they won't be here next season and are just picking up a pay cheque toll the end .
Sure most of us have all done that in our jobs at some point.
It was a risky move by butcher slating players and telling them too move on early doors and it's back firing as we now have a team in free fall.
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23-03-2014 10:46 AM #116This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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23-03-2014 10:47 AM #117This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
This. Its either a deliberate and carefully thought through plan, or it he is losing his cool already.
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23-03-2014 11:03 AM #118
For me the reason the club struggles time and time again is the fact that there is no real Club Identity anymore.
For the last 5 years we have had managers who have not fitted the mild of what the club stands for, now it was meant to always be fast flowing, attractive football. Thats been totally and utterly lost.
The club doesn't seem to have a set of values or an ethos of what it really stands for or believes in, Call me fantisful if you like but shouldn't a club our size dictate the ethos and values to the manager when he is appointed? or all that happens is we go round and round in circles appointing new managers with new ideas and new players while the results stay the same.
Secondly why do we have a youth section? whats its actually really doing in the cold light of day? i don't know how many youth teams Hibernian have but they are all taught to play a different style and a different way right up too senior level where they are taught to play another completley different way again, surely the club again would either be better by having a genuine brand of football all the way through making the transition to senior football 10 times easier for younger players OR scrap youth football, saves thousands and just bring players in on loan like we do every season.
I dont blame Terry Butcher for this, i blame the head of the club for having a lack of direction, ethos and core values which defines any organisation. It has been lost in the last 6-8 years of constant mismanagement and turmoil with no solid foundation.
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23-03-2014 11:34 AM #119
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23-03-2014 11:43 AM #120
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