Petrie - Stay or Go?

[hibee19]

Given we've wasted another managerial appointment and probably another season do you think Petrie should go now?

[OrdHibby]

i think the season can be saved if something is done now

[hibee19]

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i think the season can be saved if something is done now

Something may be done now, but will it be the right thing. They've failed in the past.

[Gustavo Fring]

he should have gone after may the 19th last year . the most horrible season i can remember - 10 times worse than the season we were relegated and that was an absolute nightmare

[OrdHibby]

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Something may be done now, but will it be the right thing. They've failed in the past.

True. It depends on ambition. I'll leave it at that.

[Emerald]

Petrie is an accountant employed by Hibs, its not his money he's spending. He is under orders to make sure Hibs balance the books and he is not an egotistical owner. He is doing the job he was asked to do well. If we get rid of Petrie all we will get is someone else doing the same job with the same remit. I don't think Petrie is the problem tbh.

[Hibbyradge]

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Given we've wasted another managerial appointment and probably another season do you think Petrie should go now?

Go where?

[OrdHibby]

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Go where?

HELL

[hibee19]

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Petrie is an accountant employed by Hibs, its not his money he's spending. He is under orders to make sure Hibs balance the books and he is not an egotistical owner. He is doing the job he was asked to do well. If we get rid of Petrie all we will get is someone else doing the same job with the same remit. I don't think Petrie is the problem tbh.

We've changed managers time and time again and its not worked. Something certainly needs to change.

[Emerald]

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We've changed managers time and time again and its not worked. Something certainly needs to change.

But is it Petrie, what power does he really have?

[hibee19]

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But is it Petrie, what power does he really have?

Its not about power to spend more money, we have larger budgets than most teams, its the way that money is spent.

[Gustavo Fring]

petrie must go . we dont need an accountant in charge of the club . we need someone who wants an entertaining team packing out the stadium . selling merchandise off the back of success on the pitch

not some clown that only has missed opportunitys and humiliation to dwell on

[Emerald]

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Its not about power to spend more money, we have larger budgets than most teams, its the way that money is spent.

Its the manager that makes those decision (I think) and the board that sanction them. As far as I know it wasn't Petrie who employed Fenlon or at least not him alone. I'm not sticking up for him but until we have an owner with ambition rather than just saving us we won't go any further. I temper that by saying be careful what you wish for because at least we have a future unlike others not too far away.

[hibee19]

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Its the manager that makes those decision (I think) and the board that sanction them. As far as I know it wasn't Petrie who employed Fenlon or at least not him alone. I'm not sticking up for him but until we have an owner with ambition rather than just saving us we won't go any further. I temper that by saying be careful what you wish for because at least we have a future unlike others not too far away.

There are more than two examples of how to run a football club. Changing the way Hibs are run doesn't mean we'll go bust within a year.

[Emerald]

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There are more than two examples of how to run a football club. Changing the way Hibs are run doesn't mean we'll go bust within a year.

I agree, night night

[Hibs Giant]

Petrie isn't involved in managerial recruitment anymore. So what would be the point in him leaving?

[Nailrod]

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Petrie is an accountant employed by Hibs, its not his money he's spending. He is under orders to make sure Hibs balance the books and he is not an egotistical owner. He is doing the job he was asked to do well. If we get rid of Petrie all we will get is someone else doing the same job with the same remit. I don't think Petrie is the problem tbh.

I'm not sure that Mr Petrie would recognise this pen picture of him as a humble bean-counter "doing what he's told".

Mr Petrie is a big shot in Scottish football. Mr Petrie owes his status as a big shot in Scottish football to his position as Chairman of Hibernian Football club. I have a sneaking suspicion bordering on an absolute certainty that Mr Petrie's status as a big shot in Scottish football is of rather more importance to him than the fact that the club of which he is Chairman has become a humiliation factory for its fans.

[silverhibee]

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Petrie isn't involved in managerial recruitment anymore. So what would be the point in him leaving?

Yes he is, he has the final say on who becomes the manager of the club.

[Nailrod]

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Petrie is an accountant employed by Hibs, its not his money he's spending. He is under orders to make sure Hibs balance the books... He is doing the job he was asked to do well. If we get rid of Petrie all we will get is someone else doing the same job with the same remit. I don't think Petrie is the problem tbh.

Oh and by the way please stop regurgitating the Petrie apologists' myth that he's "balancing the books".

We lost about a million quid in last year's accounts and about a million quid the year before. This year we'll be lucky to lose only a million quid, given that the chances of Fenlon's dross fluking their way past the first club they meet from either of the top two leagues in either of the Cups is nada.

[Hibs Giant]

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Yes he is, he has the final say on who becomes the manager of the club.

He wasn't involved in Fenlon's appointment.

[Nailrod]

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He wasn't involved in Fenlon's appointment.

1. Are you seriously suggesting that the Chairman of the club had no involvement whatsoever with the appointment of what is unarguably the most important single position in the club?

2. Assuming your answer to (1) is 'yes', then WTF is he doing as Chairman of the club? Why doesn't he take his portly backside off to retirement and make way for a Chairman who (a) is involved in the appointment of the manager, and (b) is capable of conjuring up someone who isn't yet another in a serial of abject failures?

[Hibs Giant]

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1. Are you seriously suggesting that the Chairman of the club had no involvement whatsoever with the appointment of what is unarguably the most important single position in the club?

2. Assuming your answer to (1) is 'yes', then WTF is he doing as Chairman of the club? Why doesn't he take his portly backside off to retirement and make way for a Chairman who (a) is involved in the appointment of the manager, and (b) is capable of conjuring up someone who isn't yet another in a serial of abject failures?

1) Yes

2) He delegated to the Directors following his Calderwood apology. Chairmen can often be quite removed from the hands-on running of a business.

[Nailrod]

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1) Yes... He delegated to the Directors following his Calderwood apology.

Then what effing use is he as a chairman? If he's not involved at all in the single most important decision that the Board of Directors of a football club has to make, then what effing purpose does he serve?

Chairmen can often be quite removed from the hands-on running of a business.

How great would it be if he could be "quite removed" altogether from any further involvement with Hibernian Football Club.

[OrdHibby]

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Petrie isn't involved in managerial recruitment anymore. So what would be the point in him leaving?

He does. He as chairman has to sanction any employee at the club on the football side of things. I see the scape goat for appointing Fenlon has left the club. Who gave Mr Lindsay the go ahead to sign Mr Fenlon.
The buck stops at the chairman who has no knowledge of football whatsoever. He either appoints someone who does to take care of these matters or takes the flack. When Fenlon was signed it was clear he was the cheap option as a certain Michael O'Neill with no money had wiped the floor with him 2 seasons running in the LoI. This says everything about the Hibs board i'm afraid.

[Bill Milne]

Rod does a fantastic job for the club in financial terms. It's when he interferes on the playing side that the c*ck ups occur, most notably in the appointments of a series of managers who have little idea of how to field a competitive team.

[blackpoolhibs]

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Rod does a fantastic job for the club in financial terms. It's when he interferes on the playing side that the c*ck ups occur, most notably in the appointments of a series of managers who have little idea of how to field a competitive team.

Does he, we have lost money recently due to his management appointments? I remember being told i just had to be a little more patient, and once the infrastructure was finished we'd be in a fantastic position to push on.

Now this is correct but with one massive flaw, Petrie.

[greenpaper55]

This Quote from Rod when he appointed Fenlon

"Put simply, Pat Fenlon is a winner," said Easter Road chairman Rod Petrie.
"He has a record of winning championships and cups at different clubs and his teams have competed regularly in Europe.
"This pedigree is matched by the ambition Hibernian has for sporting success."

Well that might come back and bite his bum !, by anyones standards his choice of managers have been staggeringly bad but it seems that he is the golden boy who cannot do wrong in the eyes of the owner, so be it , it seems it will have to get to crisis levels again before anything is changed and then it will all start over again.

[Phil MaGlass]

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Petrie is an accountant employed by Hibs, its not his money he's spending. He is under orders to make sure Hibs balance the books and he is not an egotistical owner. He is doing the job he was asked to do well. If we get rid of Petrie all we will get is someone else doing the same job with the same remit. I don't think Petrie is the problem tbh.

Given the amount of managers who he has appointed, sacked and paid off also add to that the paying fans who stopped going to the games, its him who has to take the rap for appointing poor managers, nobody else.I have no idea how much we have had to pay managers off, but it doesnt take a rocket scientist to see that had we invested in an experienced manager (Scottish or otherwise) we may not be in the mess were in now or have been for the past few seasons.

[Bill Milne]

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Does he, we have lost money recently due to his management appointments? I remember being told i just had to be a little more patient, and once the infrastructure was finished we'd be in a fantastic position to push on.

Now this is correct but with one massive flaw, Petrie.

Bear in mind that we are still paying off large mortgages for the new stands and training complex. This has to be managed in a structured way and is, I suspect, the root of many Yam claims that we are going bust ourselves. Any losses we incur from year to year are incurred by attempts to support the manager so, yes, I am satisfied Rod's financial efforts are excellent.

[Pretty Boy]

If Fenlon has a year left on his contract how much would it cost to punt him?

Very few people get a full settlement when sacked so say he's on 80k a year if we agree to call it mutual consent and offer him 50k would that work? Might be more cost effective long term as yesterdays crowd and the rumoured poor sales for Tynecastle show apathy is setting in fast again.