Dont want this post to be taken the wrong way, as I think the lad may well develop into a star for us however, other than against Falkirk and Hearts last season Harris has not looked good enough to be in the first team.
Obviously he is still very young and very inexperienced so he needs to be given time to develop but Fenlon is using him as our main focus of attack and I think it runs the risk of destroying his confidence and actually setting his development back. I think I counted at least 4 or 5 chances which came to a grinding halt whilst Harris was on the ball today.
We dont have a lot of options which is probably forcing Fenlon's hand a little but I think a spell in the U19's or our East of Scotland team would do the boy good as right now he is vastly out of depth.
.... some time in the Gym and a few Protein shakes would do the boy good too! He is built like the side of a sim card.
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04-08-2013 04:47 PM #1
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04-08-2013 04:55 PM #2
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I disagree with him being put back into the U19s or EoS team though, we just need to get some more attacking options in the team and stop expecting a 19 year old to win games for us on his own. He's got far too much pressure on him now and I dont mean from the fans, the team are seeing him as an out ball everytime and not giving him enough options when he gets into decent positions, often leaving him up against 2 defenders.Last edited by neil7908; 04-08-2013 at 04:59 PM.
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04-08-2013 04:58 PM #4
Totally disagree. He wasn't up to much in the first half today but I felt he was really coming into the game just as he got injured. He was a threat when he came on against Malmo in the 1st leg. At 19, he isn't going to have great games every week, but he a creative spark which we don't have anywhere else in the team so worth having him in there.
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04-08-2013 04:59 PM #5
I like Harris. Really like him and he has a lot of the right attributes to go a long way.
However I said on the match update thread, and stand by it, that sometimes he may well be better served by being a bit more direct when he has the ball, sometimes think he trie a bit too much and less can often be more.
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04-08-2013 05:03 PM #6
Wasn't at today's game or the Malmo game ( on holiday) but to start singling out our most promising young player as a reason for our problems seems ridiculous .
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04-08-2013 05:04 PM #7
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Harris needs time to develop and needs to be played on the left wing not the right. But today he was just getting into the game when he got injured. But Hibs can't rely on him week out week in.
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04-08-2013 05:07 PM #8
you make a few good points, especially about pressure being put on the boy, but to say he's only played well in 2 games is just wrong. He was easily one of our best players at the tail end of last season and i think he's just had a couple of poor performances recently. But as someone else said, he was coming into the game before he got injured today.
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04-08-2013 05:09 PM #9
I really like Harris, but as others have hinted at, all the expectation of the creativity in the side seems to be on him. Hes only 18 and hardly played any other games, and you can tell other teams see him as a threat, as soon as he gets the ball there is usually two opposition right on him. We need to be careful he doesnt become burned out, or his confidence gets shot if he isnt able to have the impact on games he might like.
Realistically if we had more going forward there would be less pressure on Harris, and he might have more support if he does find himself in tight situations. Its ridiculous that almost every time he got the ball there was only 1 player in the box.
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04-08-2013 05:27 PM #10
Nothing much came off for him, but he never stopped trying and I thoought was coming onto a game before his injury.
He'll be a cracking player for us this season.
Hope he's fit for the Hearts game, as I can see him tearing McCrappie a new one.
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04-08-2013 05:30 PM #11
This is brutal.
Today was a nightmare, going forward we were woeful. Most people are in agreement that our managers tactics are not up to much.
Do all our players deserve threads slating them? Harris (at the moment) loves to take people on and try things, naturally he won't beat his man every single time. If that was the case he would be at Barcelona.
I for one, would like Harris to continue trying to take people on and won't get on my keyboard to slate the boy for having a go. He's what Hibs need right now: bit of balls and pace and if we as support can't get behind him were almost as guilty as the current manager."Putting a damp spoon back in the bowl is the tea-drinking equivalent of sharing a needle!"
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04-08-2013 05:34 PM #12
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He's going to end up like spoony if he doesn't get deployed in his better position(left wing) and get let do what he wants by management
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04-08-2013 05:41 PM #13This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Most of what i'm reading is either defending him or pretty constructive.
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04-08-2013 05:41 PM #14
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I think he's a great player, hopefully with a great future. There is, however, an issue with not overplaying and ruining him. I remember being at Wotherspoon's debut, and thinking here's the next big thing. In my humble opinion (and I can't be bothered using the abbreviation), John Hughes did the very opposite of what should have been done in terms of the player's development - playing him when under pressure, playing him young, under pressure, and out of position (how many positions did he play under Hughes?). Think of how a proper Ferguson-esque manager would have dealt with an up and coming player, introducing him gradually, developing him carefully - Hughes did the opposite, and it's vital Fenlon (or his successor) doesn't ruin Harris in the same way.
Thought today was awful by the way....
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04-08-2013 05:46 PM #15This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I think you have misunderstood me. I am no way intending to slate the guy. As I say I think he will be great player for us, if anything I feel he is being mismanaged
I feel your belief which seems to come down to, if we all get behind him everything will be ok and at least he is having a go, is over simplifying things.
Young players need to be nurtured not just thrown in and then suddenly made our key focus of attack. Unless he has an insurmountable level of confidence and self belief he will start to doubt his ability to get by people at a senior level which could really damage his development and stop him trying to beat people in future.
Again, I like him as a player and think he will be great for us.... IF developed correctly!
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04-08-2013 05:48 PM #16
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Harris needs McGivern to support him instead of long balls from KT.
I watched Stanton at a u20s match. I think long term Sam is the better option.
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04-08-2013 05:49 PM #17This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I think, after being at the games, he's correct..
You can't say he's being ridiculous if you werent there I'm affraid...
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04-08-2013 05:51 PM #18
Disagree he is out of his depth, don't think that's the case at all. Don't think he needs pushed back down a level either, he's young but cleary good enough as shown in the past. As mentioned he wasn't great today but started to come in to the game a whole lot more before sadly getting injured.
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04-08-2013 05:53 PM #19
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He's got great potential but today wasn't his best day. Part of it was due to the lack of support from midfield which meant that he often had no option but to try to dribble past defenders. He and Collins must both be wondering if they have personal hygiene problems - their team mates never came within 20 yards of them.
I hope the injury he suffered isn't serious.
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04-08-2013 06:01 PM #20
Think Harris is a young player with tremendous potential, but he seemed a bit lost to me today, but then again so did the whole team basically. He's one of the few in our team that excites because he can genuinely pull something out of the bag. Some of the hype surrounding him is ridiculously OTT at this early stage of his career though. A good manager and a sound coaching squad would help him progress by leaps and bounds I feel. Hope his injury is only a slight one and he is back next week...
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04-08-2013 06:06 PM #21This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
However, I don't think Fenlon has made him our key focus of attack. By nature of our formation he is part of a 'front three' that has James Collins at the top and Liam Craig on the other side.
Fortunately or unfortunately in this case, Harris has become our only attacking threat as he is the only one in our team who has natural pace. It is because of this he can get forward and it's because if this that we see him as our only attacking threat.
I very much doubt that Fenlon's team talk contains the words 'get the ball to Harris'.
I'm possibly on the defensive as I sat in the East today listening to people shouting "f%^k off" Harris after he attempted to take players on."Putting a damp spoon back in the bowl is the tea-drinking equivalent of sharing a needle!"
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04-08-2013 06:14 PM #22This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
No he doesnt Harris needs to do better than he did today and people need to stop looking for reasons not to realise that. He was terrible first half but better second slightly. Lets not pussey foot around players, I really rate Harris and think he will be a great player for us but he needs to know when he was poor and it's upto Fenlon to know when he plays.
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04-08-2013 06:17 PM #23
He's a talented young prospect, but needs nurturing. Others should be stepping up and we shouldn't be seeing him as a messiah.
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im always supportive Pat but its growing thinLast edited by SMAXXA; 04-08-2013 at 06:40 PM.
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04-08-2013 06:27 PM #25
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I think he missed Ryan Mcgivern today. Ryan gets forward better than lewis and that means wee boozy gets more space and time on the ball. As well as that Mcgivern is a far better passer and can get him round the back of defences which is where he can cause damage.
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04-08-2013 06:31 PM #27
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Thommo was different class today. Collins impressed too, as did Nelson.
Alex is a superb talent but if it isn't working for him we need options on the other flank which we don't have - had the whole pre season to get a winger in and we didn't. Bad prep, bad planning, poor squad building. That's the facts.
Alex was poor today, no doubt about it. But it shows up the team for what it is when AH isn't on song - very very very slow, uncreative and dull !
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Harris didn't play well today but I don't think he deserved the jeers he was getting. Collins on the other hand deserves a medal for not spitting the dummy today."Putting a damp spoon back in the bowl is the tea-drinking equivalent of sharing a needle!"
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Hibs fans have a wonderful talent for killing talent in the bud. And I say that as constructive criticism, not slating at all.
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