Email to Rod Petrie

[Phil D. Rolls]

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I agree with the above. Think some people are far to quick to jump down peoples throats on here at times. An official statement should have been made. There was an excellent turn out by the fans,..... Oh and guess what I left at half time.

Awaiting the abuse. ;-)

I think the score is all the statement that's needed. Give it a few weeks, and it will be clearer how bad we really are, or not. Until that time, there is no need to add fuel to the fire.

What do you believe an official statement should aim to achieve, and what should it have contained?

[McSwanky]

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At least someone is now acknowledging. They have just responded by saying Thank you for your email it has been passed to the relevant department for their attention they will responded in due course.

regards.

Reception

The Hibernian Football Club Limited
Easter Road Stadium, 12 Albion Place, Edinburgh. EH7 5QG
Phone	+44 (0) 131 661 2159
Fax	+44 (0) 131 659 6488
Website:	www.hibernianfc.co.uk

That's a rank amateur response from the club. Can't even get their punctuation and grammar right.

...unless, of course, they didn't send that response at all...

[brian6-2]

Some real comedians on here....................

[marinello59]

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Maybe if the Tache could have taken the time to put his thoughts on the official site, Hibs fans (or idiots as some refer to them) would not feel the desire to e-mail him.

It seems to me that the board/Rod have taken the attitude of '0-7! ach just ignore it, it will go away eventually and the IDIOTS will still up every week anyway'.

What could Rod Petrie have said that would have satisfied everybody calling for an official statement? If bland press releases are your thing then make your own up. These things follow a standard format don't they?
I really couldn't give a toss what the club says, I am more interested in what they do.

[blindsummit]

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I sent Petrie a note on carrier pigeon as soon as I got home from the Malmo game and he still hasnt replied, or returned my pigeon. Disgraceful way to run a football club.

I believe the pigeon did make a nutritious and tasty snack for Rod though.

[MB62]

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Why would anyone want him to do that?

Why would any Hibs fan NOT want him to do that?
Are you not interested in where he thinks we are going as a club, except maybe down) or if he has sat down with the manager and asked where he sees the problems and what is needed to fix them and if there are still funds available to improve the squad before the end of January?
Plenty things I would like to know following the latest debacle and it would be good to hear that the board/Rod are actually concerned about things too.

Something along the lines of

Dear Hibernian Supporters,

Following the disappointment of our recent European results, the board invited manager Pat Fenlon in for discussions to hear where he felt things had gone wrong and what he feels needs to improve to put things right and what the board can do to assist him in this matter.
Funds have been provided to the manager to bring in signings in the shape of Liam Craig, OTJ and more recently J.C. and whilst we are disappointed to have missed out on one or two others, the manager does have a certain amount of limited funds available if the right player comes to his attention.
Having once again turned out in great numbers, the fans were yet again let down badly and whilst we would like to stress that the manager has the full support of the board at this time, it has been made clear that similar disappointments and performances cannot continue for an indefinite period and that these will be expected to improve in the coming season.
In the meantime, the manager continues his search for players that he feels will improve the quality of the squad and the board will do everything they can, within our financial constraints, to support him in this quest.

Thank you to all the Hibernian fans for your hoped for continued support.

Yours faithfully
Rod the Tache

Something like that, says to me that the board actually have taken an interest and told the manager, 'your job is on the line if results don't improve'.

At the moment, it doesn't feel like the board care one way or the other what happens.

[PatHead]

Imagine the fun the press would have with that. I do think a small statement along the lines of how they felt our pain would have been suitably condescending though. It is a lose/lose situation they (the board) are in.

[easty]

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i got a telegram through the other day in error... Makes sense now...

Got the pigeon. Tasted wonderful. Many thanks. Rod. STOP

[lord bunberry]

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Why would any Hibs fan NOT want him to do that?
Are you not interested in where he thinks we are going as a club, except maybe down) or if he has sat down with the manager and asked where he sees the problems and what is needed to fix them and if there are still funds available to improve the squad before the end of January?
Plenty things I would like to know following the latest debacle and it would be good to hear that the board/Rod are actually concerned about things too.

Something along the lines of

Dear Hibernian Supporters,

Following the disappointment of our recent European results, the board invited manager Pat Fenlon in for discussions to hear where he felt things had gone wrong and what he feels needs to improve to put things right and what the board can do to assist him in this matter.
Funds have been provided to the manager to bring in signings in the shape of Liam Craig, OTJ and more recently J.C. and whilst we are disappointed to have missed out on one or two others, the manager does have a certain amount of limited funds available if the right player comes to his attention.
Having once again turned out in great numbers, the fans were yet again let down badly and whilst we would like to stress that the manager has the full support of the board at this time, it has been made clear that similar disappointments and performances cannot continue for an indefinite period and that these will be expected to improve in the coming season.
In the meantime, the manager continues his search for players that he feels will improve the quality of the squad and the board will do everything they can, within our financial constraints, to support him in this quest.

Thank you to all the Hibernian fans for your hoped for continued support.

Yours faithfully
Rod the Tache

Something like that, says to me that the board actually have taken an interest and told the manager, 'your job is on the line if results don't improve'.

At the moment, it doesn't feel like the board care one way or the other what happens.

He maybe should have released a statement but a statement like the one above would undermine the manager imo. I can't think of a statement by hibs or any other club that has been worded in such a way.

[The Green Goblin]

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Imagine the fun the press would have with that. I do think a small statement along the lines of how they felt our pain would have been suitably condescending though. It is a lose/lose situation they (the board) are in.

Agree. Whilst it might be nice to see a statement, it would leave them open to attack from some quarters in the press who would just use it against them at every opportunity and rip them to bits for it. A short e-mail could have been sent to ST holders maybe? At least acknowledging what happened and thanking those who turned up. I dunno. Perhaps this is a discussion best held in person between the board and fans. There is an AGM coming up soon is there not? And the board will be there.

[Onion]

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Maybe if the Tache could have taken the time to put his thoughts on the official site, Hibs fans (or idiots as some refer to them) would not feel the desire to e-mail him.

It seems to me that the board/Rod have taken the attitude of '0-7! ach just ignore it, it will go away eventually and the IDIOTS will still up every week anyway'.

100% That's how it looks.

Not been a good week for the club on so many levels. Even the good news (a £200k marquee signing) has been slipped in as a footnote.

Sometimes, you wonder if Petrie is sitting in his ivory tower, thinking "if only we didn't have fans.... our jobs would be so much easier"

[MB62]

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He maybe should have released a statement but a statement like the one above would undermine the manager imo. I can't think of a statement by hibs or any other club that has been worded in such a way.

I don't think it does undermine him. What it does do though is let us know that the board are at least taking an interest and that the manager is, quite rightly IMO, under pressure to produce better than what he has been producing.

Maybe the board can't win, say nothing and I accuse them of ignoring a bad situation. Make a statement and they are accused of undermining the manager.

Is everybody happy though that since Pat took over and has now put, mainly his team, on the park, there has been little sign of improvement?
BTW, this is not just about one result on Thursday. As sore as that one was, there have been several in his time that are almost equally as sore.
Maybe if we can sign a couple of centre half's and a winger on loan or whatever, it will help fill in a big bit of Pat's jigsaw, at the moment though, I remain unconvinced by his managerial ability.

[MB62]

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What could Rod Petrie have said that would have satisfied everybody calling for an official statement? If bland press releases are your thing then make your own up. These things follow a standard format don't they?
I really couldn't give a toss what the club says, I am more interested in they they do.

Fair enough, action speaks louder than words. So far, their action seems to be silent.

[Just_Jimmy]

Statement saying;

If results are crap Pat gets sacked?
If the right player at the right price is available and pat wants him we'll sign him?
We expect hibs to win more than they lose?

Its all stuff anybody knows the board AND pat know.

[greenpaper55]

Other chairmen in the past have made it clear that they are not happy with results and there is no harm in this, the attitude that comes across is that the board know best when clearly they do not all the time. A wee acknowledgment that they are hurting like us would go a long way to keep the fans onside but all we get is silence until it's AGM time again.

[MB62]

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Statement saying;

If results are crap Pat gets sacked?
If the right player at the right price is available and pat wants him we'll sign him?
We expect hibs to win more than they lose?

Its all stuff anybody knows the board AND pat know.

Is that right?

Results, last and so far this season have not been good, Pat's still in a job
McManus and Taylor, both available and at a price we could afford, gone elsewhere. Both player IMO, would have improved our team.
Will be delighted when that scenario starts to happen, any idea when? it's been a while.

[Pretty Boy]

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That's a rank amateur response from the club. Can't even get their punctuation and grammar right.

...unless, of course, they didn't send that response at all...

That's similar to the response I got when I emailed the club about something a while back (not to moan about the team before anyone starts).

Still waiting on the relevant department to get back to me mind you.

[Alfred E Newman]

I don't think ther is much the board would achieve by issuing an official statement. No words can change what was a total embarrassment for the club and its supporters.
He has lost the backing of most of the support and I think it is pretty obvious that unless Fenlon can quickly improve his dreadful league record he is will be gone.

[derekHFC]

Is the OP going to share with us their e-mail to the tache?

[Hibbyradge]

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At least someone is now acknowledging. They have just responded by saying Thank you for your email it has been passed to the relevant department for their attention they will responded in due course.

regards.

Reception

The Hibernian Football Club Limited
Easter Road Stadium, 12 Albion Place, Edinburgh. EH7 5QG
Phone	+44 (0) 131 661 2159
Fax	+44 (0) 131 659 6488
Website:	www.hibernianfc.co.uk

Yep, that's 100% genuine.

[lord bunberry]

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I don't think it does undermine him. What it does do though is let us know that the board are at least taking an interest and that the manager is, quite rightly IMO, under pressure to produce better than what he has been producing.

Maybe the board can't win, say nothing and I accuse them of ignoring a bad situation. Make a statement and they are accused of undermining the manager.

Is everybody happy though that since Pat took over and has now put, mainly his team, on the park, there has been little sign of improvement?
BTW, this is not just about one result on Thursday. As sore as that one was, there have been several in his time that are almost equally as sore.
Maybe if we can sign a couple of centre half's and a winger on loan or whatever, it will help fill in a big bit of Pat's jigsaw, at the moment though, I remain unconvinced by his managerial ability.

I would hope it has been made clear to fenlon that last Thursday was unacceptable, making it public that his job is on the line would be counter productive imo.

[Onion]

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I think the score is all the statement that's needed. Give it a few weeks, and it will be clearer how bad we really are, or not. Until that time, there is no need to add fuel to the fire.

What do you believe an official statement should aim to achieve, and what should it have contained?

We've not even started the season and there's a pretty serious RIFT between a large proportion of Hibs fans and the manager that could damage attendances, team confidence and support for the team. It's the Board's JOB to acknowledge that and try do something about it - not just ignore it in hope it goes away because it's a wee bit difficult. By remaining silent, the club are putting everything on the Hibs team putting in performances against Well, Yams etc and Fenlon making proper managerial decisions (set-up, subs etc). Anything short of that will be jumped on by Hibs fans and IMHO could get messy. And the fact that the Board didn't even have the decency to acknowledge fans' reasonable concerns earlier will just make things worse.

[fleethibee]

This is part of the email I sent to the 'Board'. I am not advocating sacking people but from where I'm sitting we do seem to get the tactics, shape and vision of the team wrong in so called big matches. Perhaps it's a learning curve for the coaching staff but surely they must have enough football experience to see where the problem lies. I'm certainly not qualified to tell them their job but do hope they can see what's going wrong and fix it.

If reports are correct and we have signed James Collins for circa £200,000 then that is a fantastic investment that the club has made and proof that you believe in the manager and his staff. I only hope you have made the correct decision there but only time will tell

I hope you read this the way it is meant to come across. I don't want to be negative about this, that and the next thing but to register my disappointment at such a calamitous result.

[Onion]

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This is part of the email I sent to the 'Board'. I am not advocating sacking people but from where I'm sitting we do seem to get the tactics, shape and vision of the team wrong in so called big matches. Perhaps it's a learning curve for the coaching staff but surely they must have enough football experience to see where the problem lies. I'm certainly not qualified to tell them their job but do hope they can see what's going wrong and fix it.

If reports are correct and we have signed James Collins for circa £200,000 then that is a fantastic investment that the club has made and proof that you believe in the manager and his staff. I only hope you have made the correct decision there but only time will tell

I hope you read this the way it is meant to come across. I don't want to be negative about this, that and the next thing but to register my disappointment at such a calamitous result.

Erm.... you didn't actually ask any questions or seek a response, just to register your disappointment... which you have. Why expect a reply ?

[fleethibee]

Because the professional way is to acknowledge the mail. I wasn't looking for a detailed response just confirmation that my email had 'registered' with them. Not getting any response was poor. Why have I received one now?

[Just_Jimmy]

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Is that right?

Results, last and so far this season have not been good, Pat's still in a job
McManus and Taylor, both available and at a price we could afford, gone elsewhere. Both player IMO, would have improved our team.
Will be delighted when that scenario starts to happen, any idea when? it's been a while.

Results last season were better than the season before (regardless of only finishing 7th) plus we made another cup final.

Mcmanus chose motherwell for non-footballing reasons. In what way is thay Pat or the Boards fault?

Pat was on record as saying hibs were not going back for taylor. Therefore he either wasnt available for our price or not wanted enough. Or both.

Is that not the ultimate aim of every team? By backing the manager the board are attempting to give him the tools. Surely that cannot be judged until seasons end?

I'm not a huge Fenlon fan and I'd have not missed a beat if he'd been emptied last Friday but the fact is a statement is pointless. The board know we're pissed off. So does Fenlon and as other have side its a lose lose situation.

[Hermit Crab]

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Because the professional way is to acknowledge the mail. I wasn't looking for a detailed response just confirmation that my email had 'registered' with them. Not getting any response was poor. Why have I received one now?

Because the board browse hibs net all say instead of checking their inboxes

[Phil D. Rolls]

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I don't think ther is much the board would achieve by issuing an official statement. No words can change what was a total embarrassment for the club and its supporters.
He has lost the backing of most of the support and I think it is pretty obvious that unless Fenlon can quickly improve his dreadful league record he is will be gone.

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We've not even started the season and there's a pretty serious RIFT between a large proportion of Hibs fans and the manager that could damage attendances, team confidence and support for the team. It's the Board's JOB to acknowledge that and try do something about it - not just ignore it in hope it goes away because it's a wee bit difficult. By remaining silent, the club are putting everything on the Hibs team putting in performances against Well, Yams etc and Fenlon making proper managerial decisions (set-up, subs etc). Anything short of that will be jumped on by Hibs fans and IMHO could get messy. And the fact that the Board didn't even have the decency to acknowledge fans' reasonable concerns earlier will just make things worse.

Difficult call, I think we have a board that does things quietly.

My own view has always been that clubs respond to people staying away more than anything else. I can imagine what Tom Hart, or even Eddie Turnbulls response would have been to such questions.

At the end of the day, fans are entitled to be unhappy with results. You can tolerate people fooling themselves into thinking they know how to manage a team

Most of us would be hard pushed to understand employment law, for example, yet seem to think they can still tell people that do, how to do their job.

Fans are entitled to demand answers, but I sometimes question if they really want to hear the truth.

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Because the professional way is to acknowledge the mail. I wasn't looking for a detailed response just c]onfirmation that my email had 'registered' with them. Not getting any response was poor. Why have I received one now?

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Is the OP going to share with us their e-mail to the tache?

Ironic that the OP is demanding a reply from Hibs, wants his fellow fans to get annoyed with the board, yet won't tell us what the eMail actually said.

What's sauce for the goose, etc.

[Hibby70]

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This is part of the email I sent to the 'Board'. I am not advocating sacking people but from where I'm sitting we do seem to get the tactics, shape and vision of the team wrong in so called big matches. Perhaps it's a learning curve for the coaching staff but surely they must have enough football experience to see where the problem lies. I'm certainly not qualified to tell them their job but do hope they can see what's going wrong and fix it.

If reports are correct and we have signed James Collins for circa £200,000 then that is a fantastic investment that the club has made and proof that you believe in the manager and his staff. I only hope you have made the correct decision there but only time will tell

I hope you read this the way it is meant to come across. I don't want to be negative about this, that and the next thing but to register my disappointment at such a calamitous result.

Dear fleet hibee

If you want entertainment go to the cinema.

Yours

Rod

[fleethibee]

In the last 5 minutes I've received a reply from Garry O'Hagen which was actually first class. He stated that the Chairman wasn't based at the club at the moment. He accepted that the manner of the defeat was extremely disappointing and that its obvious significant improvements need to be made. He also mentions that the signing of James Collins will hopefully make a positive contribution to the team. He finishes off by advising that my email was not taken as negative but merely reflects the frustration felt by all after Thursday night's defeat. All in all that's is what I was looking for and it has heartened me a bit.