You're absolutely spot on about working nights. I'm looking at doing 4 days on then 4 days off, it'll mean working long hours for 4 days but then I will have 4 days off to spend at home doing normal family things.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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Thread: Depression and anxiety
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06-12-2014 09:55 AM #241
United we stand here....
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06-12-2014 10:06 AM #242This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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06-12-2014 11:50 AM #243
I have a question regarding personality disorders. I have been diagnosed with one myself but I read under the mental health act (I think it was) that they are considered "untreatable". Does anyone know if this is true? Does it mean we can't get sectioned?
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06-12-2014 12:18 PM #244This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Anyway, here's the criteria for detention.
Criteria for issuing a short-term detention certificate
Criteria for a short-term detention certificate are:
- the patient is likely to have a mental disorder
- the patient is likely to have significantly impaired decision-making ability with respect to medical treatment for mental disorder, as a result of his or her mental disorder
- it is likely that detention in hospital is necessary to determine what medical treatment is required or to provide that treatment
- it is likely that significant risk exists to the health, safety and welfare of the patient or to the safety of others if the patient is not detained
- it is likely that granting of a short-term detention certificate is necessary, for example because a patient is refusing to accept treatment on a voluntary basis.
PDs are responsible for their actions and it is not a defence in court. It's therefore a contentious matter as to whether the person is mentally ill. Most doctors won't admit you if it is clear that you are aware of what you have been doing and the consequences of those actions.
Likewise if you are voicing suicidal ideation and are deemed to have control over your actions, and are fully aware of the implications of your actions, then you will also be discharged. It's your life and no one has the right to stop you living it and ending it on your terms.
- it is likely that detention in hospital is necessary to determine what medical treatment is required or to provide that treatment
PDs may be detained if they are exhibiting signs of mental illness (many of them are skilled at affecting these traits). However, if after assessment, there is no sign of mental illness they will either be discharged, or invited to stay informally. If there admission to hospital has a forensic connection - ie a criminal act has been perpetrated, then they will be discharged and the police may or may not be informed.
The only real way a PD can "cure" themselves is to learn the lessons of life. They are lucky enough to have control over what they are doing, unlike people with "genuine" mental illness. Unfortunately many of them have had horrendous experiences in the past, and have come to the false conclusion that exhibiting deviant behaviour is the answer to their problems.
If you want to know more, ask the person who diagnosed you. You seem to be having a frustrating search for answers on here as you (or somebody like you) raises this subject from time to time.
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06-12-2014 03:03 PM #245This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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07-12-2014 06:31 AM #246This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I used to laugh at the guys who broke off for and hour and headed to the cannonmills garage or the back of the tron rank for a blether with their comrades. It's not for me but maybe there's something in what they do that keeps them happy with their lot.
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07-12-2014 09:24 AM #247This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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07-12-2014 09:27 AM #248This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The fact is, under the law, you have to be deemed incapable of controlling your actions before you are deemed mentally ill.
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07-12-2014 04:24 PM #249This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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07-12-2014 04:25 PM #250
On the subject, my Blog is now a Mental Health one which details some of my experiences with medication, therapy and self harm. Some may find it useful.
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07-12-2014 05:40 PM #251
Talking of blogs, here is the transcript of a talk I gave last week at a seminar:-
Depression.pdf
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07-12-2014 06:11 PM #252
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08-12-2014 06:42 PM #253This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I wondered why it was that you didn't have the IT skills to Google information about being sectioned, yet you have the skills to write a blog. I don't now.
It's not a judgement but IMO this is not the place for you to be sharing, or hinting at, your thoughts about self deliverance. The majority of people who come on here are not skilled at dealing with people like you, and would very likely become alarmed by it.
I'm not an admin here, but I've shared my concerns about you with them. Hope you appreciate this is for your own good, but more importantly when you start musing on things like that in public then other people need protected to.
You have a choice what you right. They have no choice over whether they read it if they follow your links. There are other forums which, I'm sure, are more appropriate.
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08-12-2014 07:08 PM #254
The blog has been taken down. The above poster has had a problem with me for a while now and I'm not wanting to go into why. Part of the reason I posted about my blog was because I want to see a great change in the way the NHS in Scotland treats people with mental illness.
My blog has many followers from England and America in particular who take some great strength from it but I'll take it down from this site.
It certainly wasn't my intention to upset, or encourage anyone to do something harmful.
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14-12-2014 08:13 AM #255This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I don't have a problem with you, and you have never mentioned this before. In fact, about four posts back when I was helping you out with your queries about the Mental Health Act, you said thanks. Yet when I challenge you about something I consider inappropriate like your blog, all of a sudden I am on your back. What does that tell us about Borderline Personality Disorder?
As I said in the PM posting hints about the date you are thinking of killing yourself is going to be upsetting for other people. That's the first thing that people would have seen when arriving at the blog. A whole page focussed on you.
I work in mental health, and i found it disturbing. Goodness knows what somebody with no real knowledge of how to deal with suicide or parasuicide would react. You really need to consider that before sharing your feelings with others.
If you are struggling with your condition as much as you suggest you are, do you really think you are the best person to be offering help to others at the moment?
Anybody who has thoughts of self harm, might find the following sites useful:
http://breathingspace.scot/?gclid=CI...FUGx2wod8SgAjA
http://www.samh.org.uk/Last edited by Phil D. Rolls; 14-12-2014 at 08:42 AM.
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14-12-2014 10:16 AM #256
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Guys, we really need to try keep this thread on topic, suicidal thoughts are part & parcel of low mood/depression & folk should be encouraged, should they wish, to express their feelings. However, we could really do without it being placed on a public forum or in links to blogs. It doesn't sit well with me & I know others feel the same. I feel as folk have trusted others by sharing their experiences of mental health issues on here we should respect those of whom have had had the courage to share them.
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14-12-2014 10:28 AM #257This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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14-12-2014 10:59 AM #258
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However I dont have an issue if folk link in threads.
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14-12-2014 11:16 AM #259This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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There are no certainties around this subject and as I say, the effects of it's tentacles can be incredibly far-reaching and complex, almost beyond understanding. I have come to realise that.Last edited by stu in nottingham; 14-12-2014 at 08:40 PM.
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14-12-2014 01:34 PM #261
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My Uncle done the same, a few days before Christmas. why ..?...no-one knows ..only he.
Some stuff posted on this forum is brilliant, to the extent it assures folk suffering from depression that they are not alone, everyone have shared their experiences & a few have offered support, be it via private mail or via links. However, to give a link, time & date of your intended "departure" on this very forum has to be discouraged. We can offer advice, openly. but we cant cure.
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14-12-2014 01:48 PM #262This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The impact I can only describe as permanent scarring on one's life. One can find a way to live with it, one indeed must, but it is something irretrievable that will never 'go away' ultimately. I could perhaps write a small book on it at this stage.
Anything that can avert that from happening to others, such as the frank and meaningful discussion and exchange of information and views as on the majority of this thread I would heartily commend so well done all.
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14-12-2014 02:31 PM #263
Thanks for the input Stu and HH.
My concerns on the subject stem from an incident on here earlier this year. I got a PM from another poster expressing concern over someone on here's mental state.
I got the impression that person had been threatening suicide, and that the person who'd written to me was frantic with worry. It raised the question about how to deal with the situation.
The fact that we know nothing about each other is a double edged sword. It helps us to be more open about things we'd otherwise be shy about talking about.
On the other hand, when we get situations where someone hints at specific plans, it leaves us in a vulnerable position. We can't do anything to help like get in touch with their GPS, or the local police - yet find ourselves worrying about what will happen.
To an extent, we have to have some boundaries - because the message board is not set up as a suicide prevention site. Obviously it's a very grey area, but the general advice I'd give people is not to get too involved in other peoples problems.
Sadly there are people who will exploit general chat to focus the discussion on themselves and their issues. Such people are capable of using the threat of suicide to draw others into their control and to try and help them sort their issues.
Moderators of self help groups often struggle to maintain the balance between allowing people to share their problems, and preventing them dominating the discussion.
For that reason, I'd urge anybody with concerns about suicide to direct the individual to appropriate places like NHS24, SAMH, and Breathing Space, and leave it there. If they continue to pester you make it clear that you are not responsible for what happens to them.
I think it would also be good etiquette for people to consider the impact of what you they need to discuss, and whether this is the best site to discuss it.
I always find this thread touching, and envigorating, as HH says though first and foremost its a football forum, and there has to be a limit to how far things can go. I suppose a comparable topic might be a thread about our sex lives - being British we seem to be far better at setting appropriate boundaries on that subject.
The last thing I want to do is to discourage people from talking about Depression. I just think we have to be careful how far we take it.
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15-12-2014 09:59 PM #264
I just wanted to take the time to post an apology on this thread. I've been very selfish in some of my posts and I certainly didn't intend to upset anyone. I'm going through it very badly just now but not only must I think of others feelings, I must also respect that this is at the end of the day a football forum. I sincerely apologise to those offended and to the user who I insulted, I was completely out of order.
<3Mozza
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16-12-2014 12:26 PM #265This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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17-12-2014 10:00 AM #266This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Good on you mate... If you feel you've offended anyone, although I don't think you have, then it takes bollocks to apologise. As someone else posted, this time of year is weird. Certainly for me. From Halloween onwards my mental state and emotions take a battering. Bipolar is a bitch!! I can feel on top of the world one minute then WALLOP!! That brutal feeling in my stomach hits me and I just want to lock myself away from everyone until it passes. However, I have learned over time that's the worst thing I can do. I try like **** to stick to my wee plan as I have complete faith that it works, for me that is. I also have a wife who helps me so much. When I'm getting too high she lets me know, but she also helps me with the lows.... We all need help with this and for me that's the key. It's not sympathy or feeling sorry for me as that can make people feel like a victim. It's an understanding of my mental health. I know I have to live with this for the rest of my days and accept it. I've stopped asking myself "why me?" Is it hard to put these things in place to get through each day? Truthfully yeah. Is it worth it?? Absolutely. Take care pal.....
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21-12-2014 10:37 AM #268
Its a hard time of year for a lot of people. I thought this excellent thread deserves a bump.
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21-12-2014 11:24 AM #269This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I've been lucky in that I've had the best part of 2 years of feeling good but I still find Christmas a bit overwhelming at times. I always try to find 15 minutes here and there just to gather my thoughts and get away from all the colour, noise etc.PM Awards General Poster of The Year 2015, 2016, 2017. Probably robbed in other years
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21-12-2014 11:31 AM #270This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Add to that the assumption that "everyone else is having a better time than me", and it's easy to see why it can feel *****.
Gathering your thoughts.... yep, I'd go for that. I practice meditation. It doesn't solve life's problems, but it sure as hell gives me a better balance to deal with them.
Oh, and Happy Solstice everyone...the light is on its way back :)Last edited by CropleyWasGod; 21-12-2014 at 11:42 AM.
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