I’m not sure you’re right on this one mate. I’m pretty sure there’s no questions around mental health when insuring a car. I think it would be up to a medical professional to decide whether you unfit to drive. Unless your doctor has specifically told you not to drive, then any insurance company won’t ask you otherwise.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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12-01-2018 09:23 PM #691
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12-01-2018 09:36 PM #692This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
But - I would have thought that it is technically possible for a health professional to decide someone is unfit to drive - I get the feeling that this is one of the situations that SDG's Dad is concerned about. This is something that MIGHT (might not) happen. Is he in a fit place to deal with that news, if it is the case?
I would have thought that a suicide attempt alone would not be enough to justify a ban from driving on medical grounds - but I would have thought that you would have to have a green light from a professional to drive a car again afterwards (I have no idea how this would be worked out, but this is not a unique situation and I'm sure that these are questions health professionals in these circumstances will face regularly).
I don't know where normal concerns re finances end, and obsessive behaviour starts so I was just a bit concerned when SDG mentioned that his Dad now seems to be "fixated" on this issue. Given the history, and the fact that SDG's Dad is still in recovery, it just struck me as a bit of a warning.
I do think that this is one to deal with with the health professionals first, whilst some anecdotal stuff on hibs.net is all well and good.
They should be able to give him appropriate advice on the technical issues regarding how insurance, getting back behind the wheel etc works, but more importantly give him advice on how best to communicate any of this with his Dad.
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12-01-2018 09:47 PM #693This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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12-01-2018 09:49 PM #694This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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12-01-2018 09:52 PM #695This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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12-01-2018 09:58 PM #696This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
But yes I meant to quote SDG 😊Last edited by wpj; 12-01-2018 at 10:23 PM.
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12-01-2018 10:09 PM #697This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I wouldn't have thought that many forms of depression would affect someone's ability to, or liberty to drive.
But we don't know what SDG's Dad's diagnosis might be - certain forms of manic depression, schizophrenia, severe OCD etc might affect someone's safety to drive. I wouldn't have thought a suicide attempt alone would be a problem, but we don't know what else is involved here.
I have had countless types of insurance policy over the years and I cannot remember what questions were asked for what. I do know though that I have been asked about mental health in the past, so it is not beyond the realms of possibility (in my opinion) that a mental health issue could lead to someone being denied the liberty to drive a car.
I think that SDG needs proper professional help regarding first of all the facts - are his Dad's fears accurate or reasonable, and what is actually the case, but also how to speak to him if they are not.
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12-01-2018 10:23 PM #698This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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12-01-2018 10:40 PM #699
Thanks to everyone who has replied so far.
To clarify a couple of things, my dad has been diagnosed with severe anxiety. He doesn't have depression, schizophrenia or anything like that.
He's been told by a consultant and a member of the home visit team that he is fine to drive but he's constantly looking online. He's now moving on from the fact that he's not unfit to drive to now saying that his suicide attempt has basically invalidated his current car insurance and so is actually not covered if he's in an accident.
It's almost as if he's wanting someone to tell him that he can't drive. He keeps saying that the onus is on him to decide if he's able to drive which is a huge responsibility for him.
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12-01-2018 11:02 PM #700This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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12-01-2018 11:15 PM #701This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
His head is all over the place at the moment, it's really very sad. I have said to him numerous times that there's no reason for him not to drive but he just won't accept that. He's on the laptop for hours every day actively looking for things to worry about.
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12-01-2018 11:26 PM #702This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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12-01-2018 11:34 PM #703This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
It really is a huge source of comfort during what has been the most difficult time of my life.
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13-01-2018 07:29 AM #704This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I visit my doctor every few months to basically get a wee check up on my mind which I now look forward to. I have not been told I cannot drive either before or after I was prescribed medication hopefully you can maybe use this info for your dad.
I didn't see anything about medication for your dad?
It's a hellish thing anxiety it's so hard to explain people think your at it .
I have told only a close few and hide it from the rest.
One bit of advice which has helped me is trying to remove yourself from the triggers that set it off.
Now this can be quite difficult for one of things for me was the job I was doing.
Other things for me were larger groups of people I really started to panic fine in the company of 3 or 4 but make that a bigger number and my levels jump through the roof.
Looks like getting your dad of the computer at times might help him.
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13-01-2018 09:26 AM #705This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
When ny anxiety was at it's worst I was constantly looking for reassurance and trying to get it by asking constant questions about things, I thought I was being quite casual about it but everyone noticed. Anxiety often comes with a fixation, mines was health, and it can become very obsessive. Doesn't help answer your question but his behaviour doesn't read as abnormal based on his diagnosis.
At my worst I used to check ny tonsils in the mirror at least 20 times a day. I was obsessed with lymph nodes and constantly poking and prodding about my neck. If I was in a busy room I became terrified if I didn't know where the toilets were and walking in the street was a constant battle in my own head as I was convinced I was going to faint or have a cardiac arrest and just keel over.
There are ways to manage anxiety and get better and your Dad will get there.
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13-01-2018 11:14 AM #706
Currently having massive anxiety attacks at silly o clock every day, dreams are so mad and random it's a *****e way to spend the day afterwords
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13-01-2018 11:22 AM #707
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Anxiety is absolutley brutal and affects people in so many different ways. Mines didnt seem to bother me to a point I was worried anything physical was wrong, my biggest problem was having an anxiety attack because I was anxious about having an an anxiety attack. As crazy as it sounds those are what pretty much rendered me incapable of any sort of cognitive thinking.
One example is when the morning arrived for my Wife and I to go to Italy, taxi was at the door ready to take us to Edin airport, I said I couldnt do it, then came the anxiety attack. I then just kept saying to myself, get in the taxi, its only Edin airport, your still near to home. What if I am anxious on the plane, aw its only a couple of hours. What happens if Im anxious in Italy, aw again its only a couple of hours away from home etc.
Constant reassurance got me through that holiday, and many more.
The way I compared anxiety with my depression.
With anxiety I worried about everything, but with depression I worried about nothing.
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13-01-2018 11:41 AM #708
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13-01-2018 12:07 PM #709
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I’m heads in a fairly good place but just can’t rid myself of it maybe I never will might give amatriptaline a go again as it helped a bit I also take St. John’s wort which seems to help the anxiety.
Hope you get your sleeping back on track poor sleep certainly doesn’t help.
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13-01-2018 01:50 PM #710
Thanks again to everyone who has posted in response to me.
The update today isn't good unfortunately. My dad is currently back in hospital having just admitted to taking an overdose of his anxiety tablets earlier this morning. He appears to be ok physically at the moment but his intentions are obvious.
He's currently being cared for by A&E staff and will presumably be readmitted to a mental health ward afterwards.
Thanks again to everyone for your support, it's greatly appreciated.
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13-01-2018 02:03 PM #711
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Keep doing what you can to support your Dad and make sure you get as much info from the hospital as you can.PM Awards General Poster of The Year 2015, 2016, 2017. Probably robbed in other years
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13-01-2018 07:39 PM #713This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I am so sorry to hear your news. A bit of practical info for you.
Difficult for us all to accept but the hard fact is that a repetition attempt is not uncommon. Approximately 15% of people make a further attempt in the first twelve months afterwards, the risk being highest in the first three months. Around 1% are unfortunately successful during that period.
Speaking medically, a very few patients who have attempted suicide will be deemed to need in-patient psychiatric care. These people include those with severe a psychiatric disorder and those diagnosed as being at risk of suicide. If either of these are indicated, and the patient should refuse, admission can be carried out under a Medical Health Act.
Speaking personally now to you and not as a practitioner, if the doctors feel your dad is at risk and want to keep him in hospital for care but dad wants to come home I would listen to the doctors and help encourage him to stay for treatment. My partner, before she died pleaded and pleaded with me not to 'let them' take her into hospital. I wanted to look after her and was the only person who seemed to understand her distress at this and nor was there a suggest of her being admitted but looking back I think it would have given her a better chance of surviving, though we can't know these things.
I am thinking that an out-patient Mental Health Crisis team will be assigned to your dad? If so, make sure you do your own monitoring of what they are doing to support him. I am sure you won't have the same experience but my late partner was sadly let down by hers - even to the point of them discharging her over the phone the night before she took her own life. A not incidental event influencing her fatal actions of the following day in my view. Stay on it, ask to speak to the psychiatrist and his team if you can. Don't let up.
I hope for some peace and healing in your family.
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15-01-2018 09:35 PM #714
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15-01-2018 10:07 PM #715
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16-01-2018 04:03 PM #718
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