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    So the drugs do work, apparently.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-43143889

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    So the drugs do work, apparently.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-43143889

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    Iíve just gone back on amitriptyline. Even though I donít feel particularly stressed or anxious I canít seem to disengage my brain if anything Iím anxious about being anxious.

    Iíve used it before with no major issues in a low dose hoping it will help me relax a bit as my muscles are aching and Iíve been waking up at times with clenched fists even my tongue feels tense!

    Good I see it supposed to be one of the better ones!

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    My particular grouch with this survey is that there is a very narrow question being set, ie "do they ease depression?".

    Other questions which need to be addressed are:-

    To what extent do the side-effects affect one's life? (in my case, increased cholesterol made it a risk not worth taking)

    To what extent are other, non-pharmacological, treatments more or less successful?

    That said, the fact that the media has been full of this survey this morning is very welcome. People feeling comfortable enough (as on here) to tell their stories can only be a good thing. Moan the nutters....

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    I was quite surprised to hear a Professor on the radio this morning say something like, 'that's it, we can now close the book on whether anti-depressant medication is effective'.

    Defer to this gent's knowledge but for me that is not how science and research works. It's only a part of the body of knowledge on the subject and not definitive forever and ever. Knowledge becomes challenged, and discredited all the time.

    My initial thoughts are that I'm a bit concerned that people will buy into what, in fairness on the exterior, looks like a convincing piece of research and see that as the easy answer. It is never as simple as that, much though we would like it to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stu in nottingham View Post
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    I was quite surprised to hear a Professor on the radio this morning say something like, 'that's it, we can now close the book on whether anti-depressant medication is effective'.

    Defer to this gent's knowledge but for me that is not how science and research works. It's only a part of the body of knowledge on the subject and not definitive forever and ever. Knowledge becomes challenged, and discredited all the time.

    My initial thoughts are that I'm a bit concerned that people will buy into what, in fairness on the exterior, looks like a convincing piece of research and see that as the easy answer. It is never as simple as that, much though we would like it to be.
    There's the odd publication out there that "debunks" climate change. Point being, big declarations and standpoints require on pretty much universal consensus, and one piece of research merely contributes to part of a wider chain of evidence, oftentimes being proven to be nonsense, or hugely flawed.

    If he's genuinely suggesting one test closes the book on a debate, he should be stripped of his professorship and seriously challenged by his peers, and employers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylar View Post
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    There's the odd publication out there that "debunks" climate change. Point being, big declarations and standpoints require on pretty much universal consensus, and one piece of research merely contributes to part of a wider chain of evidence, oftentimes being proven to be nonsense, or hugely flawed.
    Yes indeed - exactly my point. That was why I was slightly taken back at his words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    So the drugs do work, apparently.

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    Itís a joke!? Yes the can ease the emotion & numb thinking but they do nothing to change the persons relationship with thought and emotion which creates depressive thinking patterns. Depression/anxiety can only be overcome by a change of thought, nothing more nothing less. I wonder who sponsored the research?

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    Itís a joke!? Yes the can ease the emotion & numb thinking but they do nothing to change the persons relationship with thought and emotion which creates depressive thinking patterns. Depression/anxiety can only be overcome by a change of thought, nothing more nothing less. I wonder who sponsored the research?
    To be fair to the author of the study, he did say this, although you have to search for it:-

    "Medication should always be considered alongside other options, such as psychological therapies, where these are available,"

    On the "sponsorship" question, he also said this:-

    "Importantly, the paper analyses unpublished data held by pharmaceutical companies, and shows that the funding of studies by these companies does not influence the result, thus confirming that the clinical usefulness of these drugs is not affected by pharma-sponsored spin."

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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    To be fair to the author of the study, he did say this, although you have to search for it:-

    "Medication should always be considered alongside other options, such as psychological therapies, where these are available,"

    On the "sponsorship" question, he also said this:-

    "Importantly, the paper analyses unpublished data held by pharmaceutical companies, and shows that the funding of studies by these companies does not influence the result, thus confirming that the clinical usefulness of these drugs is not affected by pharma-sponsored spin."
    With any of my clients I would never discourage the use of them, if thats whats prescribed go with them.

    Its when they talk about reducing the symptoms it really annoys me. Its not the symptoms they should be working on (Im sure you know all this). Its like scooping the froth off a boiling pan. You keep scooping but if the pans still on the heat its gonna keep boiling.

    (as I type this I feel a bit of a hypocrite as Im sometimes sponsored by a pharma company to go out and speak to GPs/Drs/anaesthetist ect about the relationship we have with our thoughts & how it can help patient recovery)
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    With any of my clients I would never discourage the use of them, if thats whats prescribed go with them.

    Its when they talk about reducing the symptoms it really annoys me. Its not the symptoms they should be analysing (Im sure you know all this). Its like scooping the froth off a boiling pan. You keep scooping but if the pans still on the heat its gonna keep boiling.

    (as I type this I feel a bit of a hypocrite as Im sometimes sponsored by a pharma company to go out and speak to GPs/Drs/anaesthetist ect about the relationship we have with our thoughts & how it can help patient recovery)
    Totally agree with you, of course... but, probably like you, it's the "headline culture" that annoys me here. "The drugs work", so let's not bother with any expensive quackery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    Totally agree with you, of course... but, probably like you, it's the "headline culture" that annoys me here. "The drugs work", so let's not bother with any expensive quackery.
    On a positive, for some people the headline might act as a placebo effect. Believing they will work could have a positive effect. It still keeps them looking externally for solutions though.

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    I have tried various councilling methods over the years which have been very good but only lasted maybe a year before I relapsed.
    Drastic action from me was leaving the work place ..removing myself from large groups and generally deciding that whatever triggered my anxiety I was not going to do again.
    Now that's all good but not really practical so I started taking citalopram . Now for me this was a marked change in my life I felt in control and could finally move start work and be confident.
    I was wrong ..
    they did help a lot but I still needed to address and cut out the triggers along with the drugs life is good but not everyone can do what I did it's Drastic but I'm here and enjoying life

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