Sunderland signs Steven Fletcher for £12M

[JimBHibees]

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You do realise Fletcher is English as well yeah?

Born in England to an English dad and Scottish mother and then moved to Scotland at 10 or so. Seems to me he is a strong case to call himself Scottish.

[essexhibee]

Fletch should thank Petrie for where he is now. IIRC he blocked a move to Celtic which Steven wasnt happy about but what a great decision for his career it was.

A perfect example of a player who worked hard and has become twice the player he was in his SPL days who is now going to be the biggest transfer fee for a Scottish player if I'm right. Can only hope young Scottish talent e.g Russell etc will look at Fletcher and aspire to be like him as opposed to bevy merchants.

[Edinburgh Green]

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Born in England to an English dad and Scottish mother and then moved to Scotland at 10 or so. Seems to me he is a strong case to call himself Scottish.

I class him as Scottish as well, was replying to the poster who wanted Russell and Fletcher as Rhodes is 'English'

[blackpoolhibs]

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Born in England to an English dad and Scottish mother and then moved to Scotland at 10 or so. Seems to me he is a strong case to call himself Scottish.

He can call himself whatever he wants, but to me he's English. He was born in England and thats what he is in my opinion. FWIW i have no problem with him playing for us, or anyone else who qualifies through the rules.

[essexhibee]

I'm born in England to two scottish parents and would never consider myself English. Always Scotland!!

[Haymaker]

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I'm born in England to two scottish parents and would never consider myself English. Always Scotland!!

Exactly. It's more than where you were born.

[ScottB]

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Exactly. It's more than where you were born.

Yup. Nationality is for the most part, an emotional thing.

If you were born in England, to 2 Scottish parents, then you have every bit as much right to claim to be Scottish as someone born in Scotland if that's what you want to do. Just as you could be born in Scotland to 2 Polish parents but decide to call yourself Scottish.


My only issue is those with no Scottish parents or grandparents, that have never even been here suddenly declaring themselves Scottish to get a call up. Fair enough if there's some emotional / family connection I guess, otherwise that's a bit much really.

[Scouse Hibee]

My issue is with English folk wearing kilts, I just don't get it! I have lived here for 20 years but would never ever consider wearing a kilt as I feel as an Englishman I shouldn't be wearing one.

FFS I recently attended a wedding in Manchester where there was no Scottish connections what so ever yet the English groom, best man and ushers all wore kilts WTF.

Anyway back to Fletcher and his nationality..............who cares!

[jdships]

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I'm born in England to two scottish parents and would never consider myself English. Always Scotland!!

Me likewise also

[derek0762]

I believe the move to Sunderland for Fletch is going through now £14million well deserved move for him imo

[down-the-slope]

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I believe the move to Sunderland for Fletch is going through now £14million well deserved move for him imo

interesting MON is generally a good judge of players and team builder - he hs been peristent with this one

[Squealing pig]

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Unless he's Fletch's agent, naw.

He wasn't sol bambas agent and got payday so how u work that one out smart ar$e

[CropleyWasGod]

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He wasn't sol bambas agent and got payday so how u work that one out smart ar$e

Did we get anything from Bamba's move to Turkey?

[Baldy Foghorn]

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Did we get anything from Bamba's move to Turkey?

Yes something like 80k IIRC

[cad]

Does anybody know who his agent is ?

[CropleyWasGod]

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Yes something like 80k IIRC

Was that a slice of Leicester's slice of the profit?

[Baldy Foghorn]

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Was that a slice of Leicester's slice of the profit?

Yes it was something like 10% of sell on value

[CropleyWasGod]

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My issue is with English folk wearing kilts, I just don't get it! I have lived here for 20 years but would never ever consider wearing a kilt as I feel as an Englishman I shouldn't be wearing one.

Maybe you English just aren't as assured in your sexuality as we chosen people.

[Onceinawhile]

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Yes it was something like 10% of sell on value

Yes but we sold bamba direct to Leicester. We sold fletch to Burnley who then sold him to wolves. It's an extra degree of seperation hence we sgouldnt get anything for it.

[Baldy Foghorn]

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Yes but we sold bamba direct to Leicester. We sold fletch to Burnley who then sold him to wolves. It's an extra degree of seperation hence we sgouldnt get anything for it.

I knew that, I was just answering the question posed by CWG...It would be some negotiation skills to have a sell on clause for the 3rd move.....

[BarneyK]

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He wasn't sol bambas agent and got payday so how u work that one out smart ar$e

Ok I'll try. Let me see, we sold Sol to Leicester and got a sell-on fee when he moved on to Turkey. We sold Fletch to Burnley and we got a sell-on fee when he moved to Wolves. When he moves to Sunderland, Burnley will get the sell-on fee. Unless Rod has performed some financial jiggery-pokery we're due nowt. That do you?

[Baldy Foghorn]

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Ok I'll try. Let me see, we sold Sol to Leicester and got a sell-on fee when he moved on to Turkey. We sold Fletch to Burnley and we got a sell-on fee when he moved to Wolves. When he moves to Sunderland, Burnley will get the sell-on fee. Unless Rod has performed some financial jiggery-pokery we're due nowt. That do you?

In a nutshell............

[CropleyWasGod]

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Ok I'll try. Let me see, we sold Sol to Leicester and got a sell-on fee when he moved on to Turkey. We sold Fletch to Burnley and we got a sell-on fee when he moved to Wolves. When he moves to Sunderland, Burnley will get the sell-on fee. Unless Rod has performed some financial jiggery-pokery we're due nowt. That do you?

Well worked out, smart ar$e

(actually, my head wasn't on right...I had it in my mind that Sol had moved on 3 times. I was mixed up, and was thinking of when he naffed off to the CAN for Ivory Coast. That felt like a transfer, since he effectively never kicked a ball for us after that )

[VickMackie]

Can we add that hibs won't get a sell on fee to this thread title!

[Jack Hackett]

£3m move to Burnley...£6.5m move to Wolves...reported £14m move to Sunderland, for a grand total of £23.5m

.....and the yams scoffed when it was rumoured Real Madrid were keeping an eye on him

[CropleyWasGod]

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Can we add that hibs won't get a sell on fee to this thread title!

However, Rod and I have a deal on the HunsInAdmin thread.

(you heard it here first, Agent Scotland)

[Iggy Pope]

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He can call himself whatever he wants, but to me he's English. He was born in England and thats what he is in my opinion. FWIW i have no problem with him playing for us, or anyone else who qualifies through the rules.

His Mother's Scottish. Unlucky to have geography create an accident of birth and I don't know if you've heard him speak but if I were a stranger to overhear him in conversation with you, I wouldn't have any doubt about which one was the Scot and which one was the exile!

[CropleyWasGod]

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His Mother's Scottish. Unlucky to have geography create an accident of birth and I don't know if you've heard him speak but if I were a stranger to overhear him in conversation with you, I wouldn't have any doubt about which one was the Scot and which one was the exile!

Sadly, though, due to an accident of idiocy, Fletch has less chance of playing for Scotland these days than BH.

[Iggy Pope]

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Sadly, though, due to an accident of idiocy, Fletch has less chance of playing for Scotland these days than BH.

Ha! You might know your ins and outs on the Hun debacle, but you won't get the next Scotland job (or will you ),,,I witnessed BlackpoolHibs trying to trap the match ball he nicked in Slovenia and it ended up in Vienna somewhere! Maybe it was the clogs those Lancashire folk insist on wearing.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Ha! You might know your ins and outs on the Hun debacle, but you won't get the next Scotland job (or will you ),,,I witnessed BlackpoolHibs trying to trap the match ball he nicked in Slovenia and it ended up in Vienna somewhere! Maybe it was the clogs those Lancashire folk insist on wearing.