Danny Swanson

[Newry Hibs]

Who is the Hayes guy being mentioned?

[Speedway]

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Who is the Hayes guy being mentioned?

Martin Hayes, ex-Celtic forward.

[Since90+2]

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Who is the Hayes guy being mentioned?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonny_Hayes .

Scored a belter against us earlier in the season.

Cracking player.

[The Sea-gull]

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The game you were talking about was the Hearts game, where you said you'd rather we played an extra midfielder and how we are in an "awful predicament" I'd hardly call being in a cup final an awful predicament. No doubting our league form has been crap. Most of that was down to Calderwood.

You've been laying into Osbourne since he came to the club aswell IIRC, so you're right, no point in arguing about that one as your mind is already made up.

Just think its a daft idea that you have to put more emphasis on a weaker part of our team (midfield) whilst destroying a partnership that could cause Hearts all kind of problems.

O'Connor and Sparky up top. Anything else and we're right up against it IMO.

No fan of CC but he picked up 13 points from 42 available to him. Fenlon has got 13 from 54. Our other point was gained when Billy Brown was caretaker.

Fenlon is getting cut a hell of a lot of slack from us (myself included) purely because his minimum remit was to keep us up and he is still on track to do it. If we get relegated, some of it is CC's fault but a lot of questions have to be asked of Fenlon. In fact if we stay up, a lot of questions have to be asked of Fenlon but he deserves some more time to answer them.

[mcvie7]

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Martin Hayes, ex-Celtic forward.

Wrong!!!

[Jones28]

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I can think of three he has scored against us. Winner in a 1-0 in January 2010, cracker at ER in a midweek game also that season and one in the 3-3 at ER this season.

I get your point though, he maybe has three goals in 4 or 5 seasons worth of games v us.

I also get Iceman's point in that he has played well v us a good few times.

You are right about his temperament. I am sure Levein and Houston have had a go at him a few times for doing stupid things. He's still worth a gamble IMHO. We need players with that extra bit of skill and craft. Players who can pick a decisive pass, hit the bye line and make crosses and score the odd good goal themselves. We don't really have anyone doing this for us just now. Swanson on his day can do this though has had his problems.

The Dean Shiels who plays for Kilmarnock would be an excellent signing for the above reasons as he seems to have added consistency to his game since he left Hibs. Can't help but feel the player was always there, he just never got a chance really for a full season as a first XI pick when he was at Hibs. He would be first on the team sheet if he was at Hibs now, partly a sign of how he has improved and partly a sign of the drop in standards since he was last at Hibs.

Swanson is a good player on his day, but you can bet that if he's being offered a vastly lower wage he'd rather go somewhere that will be silly enough to pay him what he wants. If he was playing every week then I'm confident he would merit full wages, but not when on the treatment table.

When Deano was here he didn't really get a run in the team at all. Like you say, the player was there but just never got the chance to prove it. Dean Sheils would be first pick in any team outwith the Old Firm IMO, he's developed that much

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Boozy on his day or off his day was still surrounded by KT, Brown, Shiels etc.

If Osbourne had that kind of quality around him, we'd be raving about him.

Oh another player only as good as those around him, is that why James McPake is so bad?

[Wilson]

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Oh another player only as good as those around him, is that why James McPake is so bad?

Paul Hanlon makes him look good.

[blackpoolhibs]

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Paul Hanlon makes him look good.

Looks like we need 5 or 6 very good players, so those pish ones can play better.

Not that i'm saying Osbourne pish, but he's no world beater and part of a very poor midfield.

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Looks like we need 5 or 6 very good players, so those pish ones can play better.

Not that i'm saying Osbourne pish, but he's no world beater and part of a very poor midfield.

Osbourne is our best centre midfielder IMO. Not saying that makes him a fantastic player though.

[blackpoolhibs]

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Osbourne is our best centre midfielder IMO. Not saying that makes him a fantastic player though.

He's an ok player, is he our best midfielder? He's inconsistant, invisible one week, reasonable the next. I can count on the one finger the games he's been a stand out.

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He's an ok player, is he our best midfielder? He's inconsistant, invisible one week, reasonable the next. I can count on the one finger the games he's been a stand out.

I think he is our best centre midfielder by default as its the weakest area of the side.

[Hibernian Verse]

This thread really turned sour, as with most threads these days unfortunately. Noone wants to read petty bickering. If there's something good to say, say it. If not, don't bother.

[HibeeMG]

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No fan of CC but he picked up 13 points from 42 available to him. Fenlon has got 13 from 54. Our other point was gained when Billy Brown was caretaker.

Fenlon is getting cut a hell of a lot of slack from us (myself included) purely because his minimum remit was to keep us up and he is still on track to do it. If we get relegated, some of it is CC's fault but a lot of questions have to be asked of Fenlon. In fact if we stay up, a lot of questions have to be asked of Fenlon but he deserves some more time to answer them.

Statistics eh?

I think football fans in general see more than statistics although sometimes they're hard to ignore. In Calderwood's case, he had to go as there was no hope of improvement. With Fenlon, we realise the situation he found himself in and we also see improvement both on and off the pitch. Sometimes these things can make up for the difference in points and give a manager some leeway.

[scoopyboy]

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Martin Hayes, ex-Celtic forward.

Hannibal Hayes, strike partner of Kid Currie.

[Albion Hibs]

Swanson is a good player, I would however think he has his sights set a little higher than hibs. He has performed well in a Dundee Utd team that has achieved over the past few seasons, he is probably set for a move down south for more than a few extra quid a week once his contract runs out.

[Hank Schrader]

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Martin Hayes, ex-Celtic forward.

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Wrong!!!

[Winston Ingram]

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In my opinion Ozzy and Stevenson have been great for us this season. I'm baffled that people don't think they should be in our team.

This. Particularly Lewis

[Wotherspiniesta]

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Oh another player only as good as those around him, is that why James McPake is so bad?

Do you not think Paul Hanlon looks a lot more solid beside McPake?

[Albion Hibs]

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Osbourne is our best centre midfielder IMO. Not saying that makes him a fantastic player though.

I would agree with that. Osbourne has been our only midfielder that is actually willing to take the ball and go past a player. Lewis (as good as he has been) and Claros spend most of their time passing 10 yards inside our own half or 5 yards into the opposite. Since Osbourne moved back into the midfield he has been the only one that looks to take the ball beyond the opposition defense, do not understand the level of crit he takes.

[Andy74]

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And what are we supposed to go by, we are not all on the inside like you. Mr knowitall.

Perhaps try not having a go when you don't know, like me.

[JimBHibees]

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I would agree with that. Osbourne has been our only midfielder that is actually willing to take the ball and go past a player. Lewis (as good as he has been) and Claros spend most of their time passing 10 yards inside our own half or 5 yards into the opposite. Since Osbourne moved back into the midfield he has been the only one that looks to take the ball beyond the opposition defense, do not understand the level of crit he takes.

I hear what you are saying and like him as a player however he is infuriating at times given the level of ability that he has with basic mistakes like simple passes going astray. He is one player on his day who could be a massive plus for Hibs if he hits form in the final however as Blackpool has said these great performances are rare and we mostly get a mixture of very good and rank average play from him.

[blackpoolhibs]

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Do you not think Paul Hanlon looks a lot more solid beside McPake?

Not particularly.

[MWHIBBIES]

I have been impressed with Ozzy this season, one of CC better signings but we're badly missing someone to create something out of nothing in the midfield and if getting that means benching Ozzy then so be it.

I think Swanson would be a good signing, we have been needing wingers for a few years now so him and at least 1 more winger has to be a top priority IMO.

[Wotherspiniesta]

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Not particularly.

You can't have seen many games recently then.

Hanlon's been MUCH improved with McPake beside him.

Edit- Back on topic- Swanson would be a great addition IMO.

[blackpoolhibs]

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You can't have seen many games recently then.

Hanlon's been MUCH improved with McPake beside him.

Edit- Back on topic- Swanson would be a great addition IMO.

Obviously in your opinion? And i have been to quite a few games recently.

[Spike Mandela]

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I have been impressed with Ozzy this season, one of CC better signings but we're badly missing someone to create something out of nothing in the midfield and if getting that means benching Ozzy then so be it.
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What I wouldn't give to be going into this final with a Boozy, Shiels, Zemmama, Latapy or Sauzee type midfielder. Hey ho, we have To go with what we've got and that appears to be Ozzy.

[Speedway]

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Wrong!!!

Surely not? It must be Purple Hayes then. He has experience.

Swanson is being offered half by Hibs because it's a pay as your play deal, by the way.

[Wotherspiniesta]

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Obviously in your opinion? And i have been to quite a few games recently.

Not really in my opinion. If you fail to see the improvement in Hanlon's game since McPake's arrival, you don't understand football.

[Speedway]

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Not really in my opinion. If you fail to see the improvement in Hanlon's game since McPake's arrival, you don't understand football.

Why can he still not clear a ball in any direction other than up then? Why is he still letting the ball bounce in front of him? Why is he still falling over when trying to turn, having been caught out of position?

What is this improvement you speak of?