Europe situation

***Green Man*** · 13-04-2012 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by PatHead

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Hope Hearts finish 4th and we qualify for Europe.

On a more serious note, when we win the Cup do we go above any of the league entrants as far as seedings go?

Cup winners go into the 4th qualifying round. Third and fourth place in the league go into the 3rd and 2nd qualifying rounds respectively.

If the cup runners-up qualify through losing to Celtic, they go into the 2nd qualifying round and the qualifiers from the league each go in a round later.

**hulk** · 13-04-2012 01:53 PM

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Scotland had 5 teams in Europe this year - so if we get in via the cup (as winners hopefully) then that's 4 places in the league. Take rangers out the equation so that's the top 5 (exl rangers) that qualify

Has not had !!

***Monts*** · 13-04-2012 01:53 PM

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It is not unsure at all.

If Hibs win the final they are in the Europa League qualifier, if they lose the final they are not unless the winners are in the Champions' League. Celtic are already in the CL.

If Hearts improbably manage to pull seven points back on Motherwell and get into third place and beat Hibs in the final there is some doubt in this scenario. I suspect that Hearts will not get a European licence for next year due to the non-appearance of audited accounts. Hence the second CL spot will go to the fourth placed team (Motherwell or St Johnstone?).

So Hibs must either win the Cup or lose to Celtic in the Final.

Surely in this scenario we would still get Europe since hearts couldnt take the Europa League place either?

***CropleyWasGod*** · 13-04-2012 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by hulk

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Scotland had 5 teams in Europe this year - so if we get in via the cup (as winners hopefully) then that's 4 places in the league. Take rangers out the equation so that's the top 5 (exl rangers) that qualify

Did Hearts get their accounts, with a clean audit report, in on time?

**jgl07** · 13-04-2012 02:20 PM

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Scotland had 5 teams in Europe this year - so if we get in via the cup (as winners hopefully) then that's 4 places in the league. Take rangers out the equation so that's the top 5 (exl rangers) that qualify

Scotland had 4 places in Europe this season: Rangers (CL), Celtic, Hearts, Dundee United (EL).

Next season this goes up to 5 places 2 (CL) + 3 (EL).

the season after that it will be back to 4 places 1 (CL) + 3 (EL)

**ggth** · 14-04-2012 02:08 PM

does the finalists get into europe?

**Gus Fring** · 14-04-2012 02:32 PM

So am I right in staying that if the league finishes as is and Celtic win tomorrow that'll mean

Celtic and Motherwell in the Champions League (because Rangers aren't eligible)

and St Johnstone, Dundee United and Hibs are in the Europa League?

With the potential complication being that even if Hearts finish higher they might not even be eligible?

**James70** · 14-04-2012 02:35 PM

Will we have a team ready to play in Europe?

With so many of our players being loan signings and others coming to the end of their contracts along with the fact it would be an early start in Europe. Also it has proved difficult in the past doing transfer business during the close season.

If we do make Europe then management will have to get the finger out and make some of these loan signings permanent asap!

In Rod and Pat we trust!

**Ashtead Hibs** · 14-04-2012 04:49 PM

The BBC seem to think that if Celtic win the cup the Europa League spot goes back into the league....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17288116

***Baldy Foghorn*** · 14-04-2012 05:10 PM

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The BBC seem to think that if Celtic win the cup the Europa League spot goes back into the league....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17288116

Jeez, I wish we could ascertain some clarity on this matter....You need to be a lawyer to interpret it all

**NYHibby** · 14-04-2012 05:49 PM

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Jeez, I wish we could ascertain some clarity on this matter....You need to be a lawyer to interpret it all

You don't need a lawyer. This is so simple that a five year old could figure it out. People who don't know what they are talking about need to stop posting/writing nonsense.

The only thing that is unclear, as far as we are concerned, is what happens if we lose to Hearts in the final and they become ineligible for Europe.

http://www.scotprem.com/content/defa...2&newsid=10789

Scotland's position in the UEFA rankings at the end of 2010/11 was 15th, meaning that five clubs will qualify for European competitions next season:

~ The 2011/12 champions and runners-up enter the Champions League in the third qualifying round.

~ This season's Scottish Cup winners enter the Europa League in qualifying round four (play-offs).

~ The third-placed club in the SPL go into the Europa League third qualifying round.

~ The fourth-placed club in the SPL go into the Europa League second qualifying round.

~ If the Scottish Cup winners have qualified for the Champions League, then the SPL third-placed club enters at QR4, the fourth-placed club enters in QR3 and the cup runners-up enter in QR2.

**TariqE** · 14-04-2012 07:10 PM

My understanding is that should hertz get beat from the soapies- we're in europe.... is this right?

***Eyrie*** · 14-04-2012 07:26 PM

We get a Europa League spot if that happens.

Only question is which round we enter at - lose the final and we face three ties before the group stages, win it and there's only one.

***Leithenhibby*** · 14-04-2012 07:28 PM

I shall take either!

**TariqE** · 14-04-2012 07:29 PM

Nice one. Thanks

**SJNB Hibby** · 14-04-2012 07:30 PM

Not sure if this is true-why were Motherwell not in Europe this past season after losing to to Smelltic in last years final?

**Darth Hibbie** · 14-04-2012 07:33 PM

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Not sure if this is true-why were Motherwell not in Europe this past season after losing to to Smelltic in last years final?

Celtic did not qualify for the champions league it was only the europa cup.

**NYHibby** · 14-04-2012 07:33 PM

Seriously? It is not that difficult people. Can the mods start merging these threads?

Celtic did not qualify for the Champions League last year.

Here is my slightly rude post from earlier today:
http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?2...=1#post3179440

You don't need a lawyer. This is so simple that a five year old could figure it out. People who don't know what they are talking about need to stop posting/writing nonsense.

The only thing that is unclear, as far as we are concerned, is what happens if we lose to Hearts in the final and they become ineligible for Europe.

http://www.scotprem.com/content/defa...2&newsid=10789

Scotland's position in the UEFA rankings at the end of 2010/11 was 15th, meaning that five clubs will qualify for European competitions next season:

~ The 2011/12 champions and runners-up enter the Champions League in the third qualifying round.

~ This season's Scottish Cup winners enter the Europa League in qualifying round four (play-offs).

~ The third-placed club in the SPL go into the Europa League third qualifying round.

~ The fourth-placed club in the SPL go into the Europa League second qualifying round.

~ If the Scottish Cup winners have qualified for the Champions League, then the SPL third-placed club enters at QR4, the fourth-placed club enters in QR3 and the cup runners-up enter in QR2.

**SJNB Hibby** · 14-04-2012 07:34 PM

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Celtic did not qualify for the champions league it was only the europa cup.

Excellent news, thanks

***cabbageandribs1875*** · 14-04-2012 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by SJNB Hibby

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Not sure if this is true-why were Motherwell not in Europe this past season after losing to to Smelltic in last years final?

i think it's because we only had 4 teams in this season's Euro games,

***greenlex*** · 14-04-2012 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Darth Hibbie

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Celtic did not qualify for the champions league it was only the europa cup.

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Excellent news, thanks

Thats not news!!! That was nearly a year ago FFS!!!

***AlbertK86*** · 14-04-2012 07:44 PM

Even 1 trip abroad will do ..... no as if we're gonna win the trophy anyway !!!!!

GGTTH

**jgl07** · 14-04-2012 07:49 PM

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Not sure if this is true-why were Motherwell not in Europe this past season after losing to to Smelltic in last years final?

Because the Celtic were not in the Champions' League.

***CropleyWasGod*** · 14-04-2012 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by stuart7-0

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Even 1 trip abroad will do ..... no as if we're gonna win the trophy anyway !!!!!

GGTTH

See you doom and gloomers? Ram it!

**heretoday** · 14-04-2012 07:59 PM

Europe eh?

Can't help thinking that's pretty rich considering the quality of entertainment on offer for most of this season!

**~~Hibercelona~~** · 14-04-2012 08:02 PM

Considering Europe is more or less our aim every season, I think this would be a fantastic end to a forgettable season.

It won't matter who wins tomorrow, we'll still qualify for Europe, after we lift the cup.

**jgl07** · 14-04-2012 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by NYHibby

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You don't need a lawyer. This is so simple that a five year old could figure it out.

Quick, get me a five year-old. I can't make head nor tail of it! (with apologoes to Groucho Marx).

Really the rules are spelled out very clearly.

If Hibs win the Cup they will be in the Europa Cup at the Playoff Round (Fourth Qualifying Round).

If Celtc win the final against Hibs, Hibs will be in the Europa Cup in the Second Qualifying Round.

If Hibs lose the final Hearts, they will not get into the Europa unless Hearts fail to get a 2012-13 European Licence.

**Hongkong Phooey** · 15-04-2012 05:41 AM

Presume so?

As much as I want to beat Hertz to end the hoodoo, the prize of being guaranteed a European trip is surely too big to turn down.

Celtc in the final for me for that sole reason.

**21.05.2016** · 15-04-2012 05:46 AM

Yes

And European football would be great but it just comes absolutely no where near the pleasure of winning the cup. We would proberly be knocked out in the first round by some unheard of team and it would be done and forgotten, however, winning the cup would be the greatest moment in history, and for that reason I am wanting the hearts in the final as I think we have more chance of beating them than Celtic. At the moment I don't really care about Europa League, I just want that cup

!

GGTTH

**~~TornadoHibby~~** · 15-04-2012 05:50 AM

Originally Posted by LAHIBBY

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Yes

And European football would be great but it just comes absolutely no where near the pleasure of winning the cup. We would proberly be knocked out in the first round by some unheard of team and it would be done and forgotten, however, winning the cup would be the greatest moment in history, and for that reason I am wanting the hearts in the final as I think we have more chance of beating them than Celtic. At the moment I don't really care about Europa League, I just want that cup

!

GGTTH

100% with you here! The opportunity of beating those to whom our Scottish Cup 'hoodoo' means more to than it does to us is too great a chance to miss!

Hearts in the final for me even if they could beat us rather than a home and away tie in Europe!

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