I'm abit out of touch with the European situation with rangers not being eligible to play etc. So basically is it a situation that if we win tomorrow and Celtic win on Sunday we qualify?? If we win and hearts win are we guaranteed Europe if hearts finish 4th?
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13-04-2012 07:04 AM #1First Team Regular
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13-04-2012 07:09 AM #2@hibs.net private member
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Yes if we win and Celtic win
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No if hearts beat us in the final
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13-04-2012 07:26 AM #3@hibs.net private member
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Originally Posted by Col2
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Unless Hearts get 3rd place and are in the Champions League.
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13-04-2012 07:37 AM #4Ultimate Slaver
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The clearest way to describe the situation is this.
When we win the Cup in May, we qualify for Europe
There, simple isn't it
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13-04-2012 07:42 AM #5Testimonial Due
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its a bit early to be hammered Originally Posted by greenginger
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13-04-2012 07:42 AM #6@hibs.net private member
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Is this truly the case for sure? So as long as its a Hibs v Celtic final, even if we lose and are runners up we are still in Europe due to making the final? Ive been trying to get a clear answer on this for a few days now but everyone seems unsure! Originally Posted by Col2
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13-04-2012 07:46 AM #7Ultimate Slaver
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Originally Posted by Col2
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Originally Posted by HailHail1875
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He meant if both Hibs and Celtc win their games this weekend, therefore it's a Hibs v Celtc final, Hibs definitely qualify for Europe.
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13-04-2012 08:04 AM #8@hibs.net private member
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If its a Hibs v Celtic final then we qualify for Europe.
The reason for this is one Europa Cup place is allocated to the Cup Final.
If the winning team has already qualified for the Champions League (a seperate competition) then they would decline their Europa Cup place and it would pass on to the competitions runners-up.But you know it ain't all about wealth,
as long as you make a note to .. EXPRESS YOURSELF!
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13-04-2012 09:14 AM #9@hibs.net private member
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This. 100% in Europe if we are in the final & Celtic beat the ****s on Sunday. Originally Posted by StevieC
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13-04-2012 09:19 AM #10@hibs.net private member
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Superb news! Would be pretty dam funny if by the end of the season we've stayed in the league and gained a European place and Hearts seasons achievement is....a 6th place finish!
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13-04-2012 09:49 AM #11Coaching Staff
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Originally Posted by HailHail1875
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13-04-2012 11:21 AM #12Testimonial Due
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Hibs v Celtic final - Europa league?
If Hibs and Celtic win this weekend and Celtic beat Hibs in the final. Will Hibs qualify for the Europa League?
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13-04-2012 11:22 AM #13@hibs.net private member
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Yes as Celtic have already qualified for the champions league
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13-04-2012 11:24 AM #14Testimonial Due
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No. We would have to win the cup. If Celtic won the euro spot goes to the next highest in the league. Which it rightfully should
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13-04-2012 11:27 AM #15Coaching Staff
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Wrong! Originally Posted by wearethehibs
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If Celtic win the Cup the runners up will qualify for the Europa League.
"When the domestic cup winners (considered as the "highest-placed" qualifiers within the national association) also qualify for the Champions League, their Europa League place is vacated, and the remaining Europa League qualifiers are moved up one place, with the final place (with the earliest starting round) taken by the domestic cup runners-up, provided they do not already qualify for the Champions League or the Europa League. Otherwise, this place is taken by the highest-placed league finishers that have not yet qualified for the Europa League".
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13-04-2012 11:27 AM #16Ultimate Slaver
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Originally Posted by wearethehibs
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...is the wrong answer.
Because Celtc are in the Champion League next season and not the Europa League, we (or Aberdeen) would qualify for the Europa League.
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13-04-2012 12:15 PM #17@hibs.net private member
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I thought this ruling was changed after the likes of Gretna and QOS qualified for Europe?
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13-04-2012 12:17 PM #18Coaching Staff
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For the fifteenth time. Originally Posted by allezsauzee
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NO THE RULE WAS NOT CHANGED!
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13-04-2012 12:25 PM #19@hibs.net private member
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Originally Posted by allezsauzee
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iirc the SFA wanted to change it, but UEFA said naw
or sommit like that 
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13-04-2012 01:00 PM #20Testimonial Due
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Oh well just another thing the SFA have wrong. The cup runners up have no right to qulifiy for europe.
Didn't Motherwell who finished 5th the same season we finished 4th get into europe due to the cup winners already being qulified for europe?
Edit: ignore that i didn't read 1 of the replys properly. Obviosly that season both finalists has qulified for europeLast edited by wearethehibs; 13-04-2012 at 01:06 PM.
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13-04-2012 01:09 PM #21@hibs.net private member
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i fully agree, i don't think the SC runners-up should get into europe, it should be based on a season long effort and not just 5 games, no doubt there will be a decent enough argument against that though(other than this seasons runners-up
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13-04-2012 01:26 PM #22Coaching Staff
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It is not unsure at all. Originally Posted by HailHail1875
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If Hibs win the final they are in the Europa League qualifier, if they lose the final they are not unless the winners are in the Champions' League. Celtic are already in the CL.
If Hearts improbably manage to pull seven points back on Motherwell and get into third place and beat Hibs in the final there is some doubt in this scenario. I suspect that Hearts will not get a European licence for next year due to the non-appearance of audited accounts. Hence the second CL spot will go to the fourth placed team (Motherwell or St Johnstone?).
So Hibs must either win the Cup or lose to Celtic in the Final.
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13-04-2012 01:27 PM #23First Team Regular
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Are you sure Originally Posted by jgl07
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13-04-2012 01:43 PM #24@hibs.net private member
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Problem is UEFA insist that one Europa league spot must be allocated through a Cup competition. Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quotei fully agree, i don't think the SC runners-up should get into europe, it should be based on a season long effort and not just 5 games, no doubt there will be a decent enough argument against that though(other than this seasons runners-up)
Nothing the SFA can do about it.
Agree, it would be galling if you finished 4th and got nothing but the team who finish second bottom get Europe.
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13-04-2012 01:45 PM #25@hibs.net private member
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Especially if it were hearts who finish fourth Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
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13-04-2012 01:47 PM #26@hibs.net private member
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Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
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exactly, imagine us having a pretty good long season and finishing 4th, caley v pars in the SC final, we get nowt :(
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Hope Hearts finish 4th and we qualify for Europe. Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
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On a more serious note, when we win the Cup do we go above any of the league entrants as far as seedings go?
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13-04-2012 01:48 PM #28@hibs.net private member
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Originally Posted by Seanduff
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that scenario is acceptable though
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13-04-2012 01:48 PM #29Testimonial Due
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It would surely make more sense to have the winner of the league cup and the winner of the scottish get the europe spots Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
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13-04-2012 01:53 PM #30First Team Breakthrough
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Scotland had 5 teams in Europe this year - so if we get in via the cup (as winners hopefully) then that's 4 places in the league. Take rangers out the equation so that's the top 5 (exl rangers) that qualify
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