Dunfermline in the Sticky Stuff

[Frazerbob]

Radio Scotland breaking news that Dunfermline players have not been paid their full wages. Having worked in Dunfermiline and also seen them bring 4 or 5000 fans to ER in the past, I have to say I'm puzzled by their poor crowds this season.

Who remembers the 3-3 draw at East End on the opening day of the season in the mid 80's? Must have been 12000 there that day. The same fixture a few weeks ago attracted about half that with the majority Hibs fans.

[bighairyfaeleith]

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Radio Scotland breaking news that Dunfermline players have not been paid their full wages. Having worked in Dunfermiline and also seen them bring 4 or 5000 fans to ER in the past, I have to say I'm puzzled by their poor crowds this season.

Who remembers the 3-3 draw at East End on the opening day of the season in the mid 80's? Must have been 12000 there that day. The same fixture a few weeks ago attracted about half that with the majority Hibs fans.

They should be docked 10 points with immediate effect.

[mca]

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They should be docked 10 points with immediate effect.

10 POINTS - is that all !!!!


or is that enough to save us !!!

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Sure I can remember getting done at home by them in the league cup when they brought scads of fans through. Was it 1-4? Anyways, I think that the 80k that Der Hun owe them, that they may only get a fraction of now, might tip them over.

[Jamesie]

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Sure I can remember getting done at home by them in the league cup when they brought scads of fans through. Was it 1-4? Anyways, I think that the 80k that Der Hun owe them, that they may only get a fraction of now, might tip them over.

1-3, after extra time, 1989 I think?

[tanfield]

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1-3, after extra time, 1989 I think?

Ross Jack scoring one in off the post at the Dunbar End. The old terracing fairly emptied after that one went in!

[007 Mickey Weir]

At this rate we might be lucky to get a 10 team SPL!!

[TrinityHibs]

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At this rate we might be lucky to get a 10 team SPL!!

If we are really lucky 9

[Hiber-nation]

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Radio Scotland breaking news that Dunfermline players have not been paid their full wages. Having worked in Dunfermiline and also seen them bring 4 or 5000 fans to ER in the past, I have to say I'm puzzled by their poor crowds this season.

Who remembers the 3-3 draw at East End on the opening day of the season in the mid 80's? Must have been 12000 there that day. The same fixture a few weeks ago attracted about half that with the majority Hibs fans.

I used to work beside a Pars fan and he said that so many of them had given up because they knew the club just would never be anything other than relegation candidates nowadays and the fact that they never played decent passing football. All seems a bit strange, They do seem to have lost a lot of fans. St Johnstone too, I remember a sell out up there when Houchy was sent off and the day they brought a huge crowd to ER for Blobby's first game. Now they're lucky to get 2,500 and they're top 6.

[PatHead]

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I used to work beside a Pars fan and he said that so many of them had given up because they knew the club just would never be anything other than relegation candidates nowadays and the fact that they never played decent passing football. All seems a bit strange, They do seem to have lost a lot of fans. St Johnstone too, I remember a sell out up there when Houchy was sent off and the day they brought a huge crowd to ER for Blobby's first game. Now they're lucky to get 2,500 and they're top 6.

Perhaps playing each other 4 times, £25+ a ticket, too much football on tv is taking its toll everywhere. 16/18 team Premier League, playing twice with summer football. Restriction on tv games etc required.

[green glory]

The vermin still owe the Pars money don't they? I point the blame firmly at Ipox.

[wazoo1875]

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Radio Scotland breaking news that Dunfermline players have not been paid their full wages. Having worked in Dunfermiline and also seen them bring 4 or 5000 fans to ER in the past, I have to say I'm puzzled by their poor crowds this season.

Who remembers the 3-3 draw at East End on the opening day of the season in the mid 80's? Must have been 12000 there that day. The same fixture a few weeks ago attracted about half that with the majority Hibs fans.

This saddens me greatly, knowing they've been shafted by Rangers big style over their ticket money.
The Pars fans will have to start to turn up again in numbers if they want to do something to save them.
They used to have a terrific support but sadly numbers have dwindled on a high scale.

I remember that game you mentioned, would it have been '86 or '87 ? We had a big support there that day too.
Probably my favourite away day in the past, I hope they're ok.

[bingo70]

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This saddens me greatly, knowing they've been shafted by Rangers big style over their ticket money.
The Pars fans will have to start to turn up again in numbers if they want to do something to save them.
They used to have a terrific support but sadly numbers have dwindled on a high scale.

I remember that game you mentioned, would it have been '86 or '87 ? We had a big support there that day too.
Probably my favourite away day in the past, I hope they're ok.

Agreed mate, I blame theamount of premiership coverage, seems to be a lot of folk 'support' premiership teams now whereas I imagine a lot of these people may have supported the likes of dunfermline and st johnstone in the past

[wazoo1875]

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Agreed mate, I blame theamount of premiership coverage, seems to be a lot of folk 'support' premiership teams now whereas I imagine a lot of these people may have supported the likes of dunfermline and st johnstone in the past

Defo mate, however I think the saturated coverage of every old firm game against anyone has even more to do with it. Too many folks not happy to watch a team that cannae win every week seems to put them off. Football clubs should be a huge part of local communities and everyone should get behind their local clubs, even if it's for half a dozen games a season. Also I blame parents to a certain extent, when I was growing up there is no way my old man would've let me follow anyone other than Hibs. Nowadays it seems people just buy their kids any strip they fancy, knowing that they'll never see the inside of said clubs stadium. Rupert Murdoch is the main culprit though, football in this country is dying a death of a thousand cuts and it's sad to say the least.

[HKhibby]

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Defo mate, however I think the saturated coverage of every old firm game against anyone has even more to do with it. Too many folks not happy to watch a team that cannae win every week seems to put them off. Football clubs should be a huge part of local communities and everyone should get behind their local clubs, even if it's for half a dozen games a season. Also I blame parents to a certain extent, when I was growing up there is no way my old man would've let me follow anyone other than Hibs. Nowadays it seems people just buy their kids any strip they fancy, knowing that they'll never see the inside of said clubs stadium. Rupert Murdoch is the main culprit though, football in this country is dying a death of a thousand cuts and it's sad to say the least.

Why blame it on Rupert Murdoch? or anyone for that matter? but that is the way nowadays...blame it on someone else! when it is down to the individual really!, everyone under a certain age seems to have this stupid ridiculas celelbrity loving culture and visions of granduer!...regardless if they can afford it or not...star struck and following others like sheep! by supporting something because they are winning! glory hunters if you like! so the same goes in football supporting terms...materialistic! even if they cant afford it!

[cabbageandribs1875]

I heard dunfy have club debts of 9.5m

[Jamesie]

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I heard dunfy have club debts of 9.5m

I'm sure I read somewhere that relegation would actually be a benefit to them as the cost of competing in the SPL in terms of wages etc isn't in keeping with their gate receipts. I always thought TV money might balanced that out and such a suggestion could be quite far fetched but who knows.

[Kojock]

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I remember that game you mentioned, would it have been '86 or '87 ? We had a big support there that day too.
Probably my favourite away day in the past, I hope they're ok.

08/08/1987 Dunfermline 3 Hibs 3 then two weeks later we drew with Morton (a) again 3-3. Remember both games well.

[mjhibby]

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This saddens me greatly, knowing they've been shafted by Rangers big style over their ticket money.
The Pars fans will have to start to turn up again in numbers if they want to do something to save them.
They used to have a terrific support but sadly numbers have dwindled on a high scale.

I remember that game you mentioned, would it have been '86 or '87 ? We had a big support there that day too.
Probably my favourite away day in the past, I hope they're ok.

Roasting day if i remember.im sure we went behind then took the lead only to lose it near the end.great days of falling down the hill from the train station and a sesh in the elizabethan.remember the pars fans saying without mickey weir we were punchless.sure enough he was suspended for the return game and we were 4-0 up before half time.the pars fans still came into ets after the game for a drink.great bunch of fans only wish other teams fans(cough hertz and gers)behaved as well as they do/did.

[NAE NOOKIE]

This proves ... if proof were needed ..... that its time for the total insanity of clubs relying on income from OF games to end.

One of the previous posters made a good point about supporting your local club. As far as I am aware if you go out in Newcastle with a Man Utd top on you had better do it in the dark and wear a bloody big coat over it.

There is nothing wrong with supporting a team from another town in its self. But what is annoying is the fact that all of these folk spouting the " I have a right to support who I want " peeash always seem to want to support the OF or Man Utd ... you dont see thousands flocking to Glasgow every weekend to see Partick Thistle ....... and they wonder why we call them glory hunters.

Fans ( I use the term in its loosest possible sense ) like that are killing clubs like Dunfermline and there is no doubt that the saturation coverage of the likes of the OF and Man Utd on TV has made the situation a hundred times worse than it ever was.

So good luck to Dunfermline and the real fans who support them ..... lets hope Scottish football gets its bloody act together before we lose a great club with a great history, be that Dunfermline or any other club.

[brianmc]

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This proves ... if proof were needed ..... that its time for the total insanity of clubs relying on income from OF games to end.

One of the previous posters made a good point about supporting your local club. As far as I am aware if you go out in Newcastle with a Man Utd top on you had better do it in the dark and wear a bloody big coat over it.

There is nothing wrong with supporting a team from another town in its self. But what is annoying is the fact that all of these folk spouting the " I have a right to support who I want " peeash always seem to want to support the OF or Man Utd ... you dont see thousands flocking to Glasgow every weekend to see Partick Thistle ....... and they wonder why we call them glory hunters.

Fans ( I use the term in its loosest possible sense ) like that are killing clubs like Dunfermline and there is no doubt that the saturation coverage of the likes of the OF and Man Utd on TV has made the situation a hundred times worse than it ever was.

So good luck to Dunfermline and the real fans who support them ..... lets hope Scottish football gets its bloody act together before we lose a great club with a great history, be that Dunfermline or any other club.

Maybe there should be a law-you can only support a team within 25 miles of your home? Do you think that'd help?

Hmmmm, I'll have to choose between: Hibs, hearts, Motherwell, Falkirk, Livingston, dunfermline, airdrie united,albion rovers........ You get the point I'm trying to make?

[NAE NOOKIE]

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Maybe there should be a law-you can only support a team within 25 miles of your home? Do you think that'd help?

Hmmmm, I'll have to choose between: Hibs, hearts, Motherwell, Falkirk, Livingston, dunfermline, airdrie united,albion rovers........ You get the point I'm trying to make?

Yeh I get your point. But my post said that I was OK with folk supporting a team from outwith their local area, but the point being that in 90% of cases that team always just happens to be the one who wins stuff all the time. Folk choosing a different team I can live with, glory hunting I cant.

It used to be about local pride ..... I'm from Edinburgh and bloody proud of it, part of that pride is supporting my local team, hell it could have been the yams. My stepson was born in Edinburgh and supports the yams and apart from him being a smelly yam jobby I'm glad that he supports an Edinburgh club and not one of the OF.

[ginger_rice]

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Maybe there should be a law-you can only support a team within 25 miles of your home? Do you think that'd help?

Hmmmm, I'll have to choose between: Hibs, hearts, Motherwell, Falkirk, Livingston, dunfermline, airdrie united,albion rovers........ You get the point I'm trying to make?

Damn.....how much are houses in Leith looks like I'll have to flit

Could you not make it 45 miles?

[matty_f]

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This proves ... if proof were needed ..... that its time for the total insanity of clubs relying on income from OF games to end.

One of the previous posters made a good point about supporting your local club. As far as I am aware if you go out in Newcastle with a Man Utd top on you had better do it in the dark and wear a bloody big coat over it.

There is nothing wrong with supporting a team from another town in its self. But what is annoying is the fact that all of these folk spouting the " I have a right to support who I want " peeash always seem to want to support the OF or Man Utd ... you dont see thousands flocking to Glasgow every weekend to see Partick Thistle ....... and they wonder why we call them glory hunters.

Fans ( I use the term in its loosest possible sense ) like that are killing clubs like Dunfermline and there is no doubt that the saturation coverage of the likes of the OF and Man Utd on TV has made the situation a hundred times worse than it ever was.

So good luck to Dunfermline and the real fans who support them ..... lets hope Scottish football gets its bloody act together before we lose a great club with a great history, be that Dunfermline or any other club.

It's not so much a sign of Dunfermline relying on the OF, if it was any of the visiting teams that bring a good support - take your pick from the sheep, us, the Yams, and the OF, and we never paid them what they were due, they'd be in the same nick. It was income they were expecting but it didn't come and that's what caused the issue with the wages.

If Rangers weren't about then Dunfermline and the other clubs would have set their budget expectations a bit lower and cut their cloth accordingly. Their players would have been paid if it was any other team provided they actually paid up.

[Hibs Class]

Meanwhile the administrators at ibrox continue to drag their heels over cutting costs e.g. by laying off staff, thus reducing the funds that will be available to creditors like dunfermline.

[IWasThere2016]

There's more than a good chance of them going under in the next year or two IMHO.

[surreyhibbie]

Very sad if this is true, always had a soft spot for the Pars myself. Hope they find a lifeline from somewhere.
Also hope they finish below us, of course......

[Ship Hibs]

That 3-3 game was my first ever Hibs game, sure Micky Weir scored. I must have only been 7 or 8, remember it was a cracking sunny day the stadium was packed to the rafters and everyone signing their hearts out. I was totally captivated by it all. Can't imagine a 7 or 8 year old kid being anything other than bored stiff these days. Such a shame.

[madabouthibs]

Its time clubs realised that the fans can't afford to pay £30 to £45 for a father and son to go to football anymore. I don't know if we need the telly money now, it doesn't seem to be that lucrative anymore. TV companies have us by the proverbials, because they know there's not that much demand for Scottish football on the box anywhere else.
Its ridiculous. Motherwell game was a great crowd last week, 8k for a midweek game is fantastic for Motherwell nowadays! theres no way they would have had that if the prices were the norm.
Ok, maybe bringing prices down doesn't guarantee bumper crowds, but I know it makes a lot of difference to the do I/don't I Saturday afternoon options for a lot of fans. I might be willing to go to more games at £22 for me, but when your adding a child on to that at £12 or £14 it becomes a bit of a heavy financial burden.

Eg - Hearts game at £28/£14 + £3 "booking fee" ........ thats a no bad pair of trainers right there!
Dunfermline/Fife isn't exactly a booming economy right now.........

[Ozyhibby]

The reason they are struggling is they have average crowds similar to Crewe Alexandria but have to compete with Celtic who have crowds similar to arsenal.