Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Hibbyradge]

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11 Team SPL Proposal.


As suggested earlier by another poster, we could just have an 11 team SPL this season. To accomplish this fairly, do away with the split and play each other 4 times, making a total of 40 games.

This would mean that each club would have one extra home game, thereby helping in a small way to make up for any missing cash from home gate v Rankers.

How does that sound?

I suggested this a while ago, but it didn't let much support.
Maybe folk have too many negative memories of when the SPL had 10th teams and played each other 4 times.

[blackpoolhibs]

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It's not a terrible idea, but it would need 44 dates to play the 40 games, with each team being idle for the 4 games not played against the 12th team. That could cause scheduling issues because you would need to find six additional dates in the season.

They manage it easily in the english championship, they also have both FA and League cups. It can be done.

[poolman]

Fat blob Traynor to-day

But is it really the will of the people or the ignorant views of semi-literate gangs of keyboard clatterers?


Fat git, I'm not a violent person really but I defo would make an exception with him


http://blogs.dailyrecord.co.uk/jimtr...Jim+Traynor%29

[Jim44]

Neil Doncaster presided over the signing of commercial contract's with a get-out clause for the partner's stipulating -
"If Rangers or Celtic leave the SPL the agreement is terminated."


What it should have said.........
"If Rangers or Celtic VOLUNTARILY leave the SPL the agreement is terminated."

We keep hearing about the Sky walkaway. Has anybody actually seen the wording of the contract? I assume the word 'voluntarily' is supposition or desire on the poster's part. Show us clear evidence that they will go. Anything on the matter I've seen says they will not be walking away. Then again, if they actually did walk away, some other agency/angencies would no doubt take their place albeit on less money. All clubs would have to 'cut their cloth'.

[jgl07]

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They manage it easily in the english championship, they also have both FA and League cups. It can be done.

But they don't have to keep most midweek slots before Christmas clear for European matches. I know that most of the Scottish teams will be eliminated before the season starts but they cannot be scheduled from the start.

I seem to recalls loads of mid-week matches when the Scottish Premier Division played with a 44 match season.

On the other hand it would kill stone dead any prospects of Newco getting anywhere near the SFL next season.

East of Scotland League anyone?

[McSwanky]

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Fat blob Traynor to-day

But is it really the will of the people or the ignorant views of semi-literate gangs of keyboard clatterers?


Fat git, I'm not a violent person really but I defo would make an exception with him


http://blogs.dailyrecord.co.uk/jimtr...-+Jim+Traynor)

More of the same guff from The Blob.

He does, however, make a pertinent point about clubs losing out whether Rangers drop into the 1st division or not. Thanks to that shower of numpties (and the authorities that let them get away with it), Scottish Football is now totally stuck between a rock and a hard place. But we have to choose one, so 'sporting integrity' it is.

As for Traynor, nobody would listen to his rants if he was in his local. The fact that the Record (and the BBC) still give him a soap box to peddle his drivel is quite remarkable.

[Stevie Reid]

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Fat blob Traynor to-day

But is it really the will of the people or the ignorant views of semi-literate gangs of keyboard clatterers?


Fat git, I'm not a violent person really but I defo would make an exception with him


http://blogs.dailyrecord.co.uk/jimtr...-+Jim+Traynor)

To prevent people having to give their website more clicks: -

No to Rangers newco means SPL have thrown their problem at SFL

By jim Traynor on Jul 5, 12 07:40 AM in spl

NOW it's all so much clearer. The fate of the entire Scottish game lies with the SFL.

The SPL have made their decision which means the clubs they left behind must now save us.

At least and at last a degree of clarity. But hold on ... Oh My God.

Does this mean everything depends now on the view of Turnbull Hutton? And John Yorkston?
Whatever cash is left in the game we'll need for clean underwear.

Turnbull, the bold John and their mates will shape the game's future. Stand aside, women and children first.

By saying "no" to Rangers newco the SPL have thrown THEIR problem at the SFL hoping the smaller clubs will give Charles Green's venture a home.
They will find space for Rangers but it might not be in their own top division.

The SFL clubs, who still harbour a deep grudge because they were cut adrift by the top sides in 1998, are in no mood to be railroaded into helping.
They'll demand concessions and rightly so.

Their chief executive, David Longmuir, has already listed demands which will include an absolute commitment to streamline the administrations - three governing bodies is a nonsense - better governance, which would include a change to the voting structures, and a fairer distribution of whatever wealth remains in the game.

The SPL, because they neglected to craft legislation to deal with insolvency traumas, now desperately need the help and understanding of the clubs they left behind.
A number of those clubs have been waiting for this day and they'll make the most of their moment.

It would be difficult to argue they aren't entitled to be rubbing their hands gleefully but this isn't about getting even. This is about the survival of the game.
Leaders of the SPL and SFL have warned something like £16million could be lost to our football but a growing number among the SFL chairmen are sceptical about the figures.
And neither do they believe that as many as 10 clubs from the game's four levels could go to the wall.

But it is understood just more than £12m would be lost from altered TV deals and at least £4.5m could be drained from sponsorship contracts if Rangers go to the Third Division.
TV accounts for a third of the average SPL club's income and that's why it's too simplistic when fans and some misinformed - and frankly ignorant - commentators say they should wean themselves off this dependence on telly cash.

Now that we know the extent of the financial fallout, it isn't sense or pragmatism which is making hacks and chairmen stick to their sporting integrity and fair play themes.
It's a mixture of settling old scores, blind hatred and downright malice.

Of course Rangers should and would have been ordered to apply for admission via the bottom tier had the SPL regulars been more concerned with proper governance over the years rather than forming divisive cabals and little power bases.

But because Scottish football is a complete mess other factors must now be taken into
consideration.

So surely a sensible compromise rather than a spiteful one must be found. But justice is justice they all wail. We can't put a price on fair play they scream.
Get real and stop wearing out your knuckles on your keyboards. What real fan would want his club, innocents in all of this, to shut because of a desire to get at the real culprits?
Rangers did this and they are suffering. But this need to put them down further will endanger other innocent clubs.

When the greed of bankers dragged the world into this deep recession the right thing to do would have been to let them close and take the big salaries and bonuses.
But we didn't because that would have amounted to financial suicide and made life even tougher for the rest of us.

Common sense had to prevail but not here. Not in Scottish football where heads are used only to nod goals.

But if we refuse to engage our brains we will score the most damaging own goal in the history of our game. And all because when the fans railed our chairmen failed.
Instead of thinking ahead they thought only of the moment. Must sell season tickets, must listen to fans.

Just the other day one SPL chairman said: "It's hopeless. If I don't vote 'no' fans won't buy season tickets and I'll be shut.
"If I vote 'no' and Rangers are put down to the Third Division the money lost to the game will mean my club will have to be closed. It's madness."
And it is crazy. So-called fans who dominate their message boards appear to be running the show and are now pressing SFL clubs into doing the right thing, which is actually the wrong thing for the game in general.

But is it really the will of the people or the ignorant views of semi-literate gangs of keyboard clatterers?
There are still a few men at the heart of this who know a compromise has to be found and Longmuir is working away and calming members on the verge of panic.
Longmuir and one or two others realise the folly of shunting Rangers all the way down and are trying to make people step back from the brink.
Not because Rangers shouldn't be punished further but because the collateral damage would be unacceptable.
The SFL will meet next week to decide the fate of the game.

Entertaining though it is to listen to your rants Turnbull, just think. That's it, just think, and if enough of us do we just might not blow our brains out.

[Ryan91]

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More of the same guff from The Blob.

He does, however, make a pertinent point about clubs losing out whether Rangers drop into the 1st division or not. Thanks to that shower of numpties (and the authorities that let them get away with it), Scottish Football is now totally stuck between a rock and a hard place. But we have to choose one, so 'sporting integrity' it is.

As for Traynor, nobody would listen to his rants if he was in his local. The fact that the Record (and the BBC) still give him a soap box to peddle his drivel is quite remarkable.

I sincerely wish he allowed comments on his blog, if only to see what people think of his 'journalism'

[LeighLoyal]

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Fat blob Traynor to-day

But is it really the will of the people or the ignorant views of semi-literate gangs of keyboard clatterers?


Fat git, I'm not a violent person really but I defo would make an exception with him


http://blogs.dailyrecord.co.uk/jimtr...-+Jim+Traynor)

Hilarious that anyone thinks this guy has a shred of credibility left. Seriously damaged goods!

[Stevie Reid]

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I sincerely wish he allowed comments on his blog, if only to see what people think of his 'journalism'

If he allowed comments on his blog he would have to put up with links to excellent articles such as this, to which he has no answer: -

http://wingsland.podgamer.com/ranging-far-and-wide/

[blackpoolhibs]

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I sincerely wish he allowed comments on his blog, if only to see what people think of his 'journalism'

He commented on Thompson contributing next to nothing to this????? WTF is he on, Thompson at least asked the questions he and the other clowns wouldn't ask. He's not in their payroll, Traynor has been shown up to be what he really is, a hopeless hack.

[Stevie Reid]

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Hilarious that anyone thinks this guy has a shred of credibility left. Seriously damaged goods!

True - he is clearly choosing the path of least resistance in that whilst supporters of other clubs will dismiss his insulting rants as utter nonsense, it's nothing compared to what he would face (violence, threats, intimidation) had he been brave enough to call the situation as it actually is, and piss off the neanderthal knuckle draggers in the "Rangers" support.

What isn't hilarious sadly, is the fact that in his employment by the BBC, we, the tax payer, are effectively paying his wages. Many things have come out recently that have confirmed the long held suspicions of many that huge institutions are biased towards Rangers and the money that they generate - can we now add the BBC to that list?

[Moulin Yarns]

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Less income from less home games.

What happens at the split?

11 team SPLtypo could give you a full 2 home and 2 away equalling 40 games (20 home and away) and no split

sorted in one simple move

[Moulin Yarns]

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11 Team SPL Proposal.


As suggested earlier by another poster, we could just have an 11 team SPL this season. To accomplish this fairly, do away with the split and play each other 4 times, making a total of 40 games.

This would mean that each club would have one extra home game, thereby helping in a small way to make up for any missing cash from home gate v Rankers.

How does that sound?

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BUT THAT WOULD MEAN THERE WOULD BE NO VACANCY IN THE SFL!!!!!

Brilliant idea

I should have kept reading before Posted the same thing.

[hibeeleicester]

Look at this belter from my facebook....

Sky sports canceld when i told them my reason for cancelin and said am probz not the 1st phone call u have had the day with this reason the reply i got was.. Oh i didnt know that about rangers.u are the 1st i phone call ive had about that.. Think u are talkin out yer hole! ****in arse!

[BEEJ]

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Fat blob Traynor to-day

But is it really the will of the people or the ignorant views of semi-literate gangs of keyboard clatterers?

As someone who appears to draw a salary for being almost semi-literate, Traynor is in no position to judge anyone on that score.

[VickMackie]

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Which is exactly what makes us the most powerful entity in the game!

Whats more powerful.... 10's (maybe even 100's) of thousands of football fans, or a few guys in suites with fancy titles?

We ARE the game and if they want to threaten us with their so called "proposals", then we should start fighting back with a few proposals of our own.

WE have the power to change the game for the better. Its OUR game.

Unfortunately that's not true about the power. The few control the many.

Look at things on a bigger scale, hundreds of thousand on the streets against austerity measures. 1 million marching against the Iraq war etc etc. all controlled by 600 cocks in suits.

The only power fans have is to walk away. Which we don't want to do.

[Judas Iscariot]

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Look at this belter from my facebook....

I'd be embarrassed to admit to having someone so illiterate on my FB

[Hibercelona]

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Unfortunately that's not true about the power. The few control the many.

Look at things on a bigger scale, hundreds of thousand on the streets against austerity measures. 1 million marching against the Iraq war etc etc. all controlled by 600 cocks in suits.

The only power fans have is to walk away. Which we don't want to do.

People are only controlled because they don't want to think for themselves. They would much rather be brain dead and let somebody else think for them.

Of course, it doesn't actually have to be that way. People just accept it.

[hibeeleicester]

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I'd be embarrassed to admit to having someone so illiterate on my FB

Removed...

[Part/Time Supporter]

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They manage it easily in the english championship, they also have both FA and League cups. It can be done.

Games are very rarely postponed in England, even in lower divisions. Two seasons ago you had teams in the SPL going over a month without playing due to the weather. 44 league dates is possible in Scotland, but it removes almost all slack for bad weather and/or clubs progressing in Europe (no laughing at the back please).

[blackpoolhibs]

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Games are very rarely postponed in England, even in lower divisions. Two seasons ago you had teams in the SPL going over a month without playing due to the weather. 44 league dates is possible in Scotland, but it removes almost all slack for bad weather and/or clubs progressing in Europe (no laughing at the back please).

Fair point.

[ScottB]

Really sick of them describing this as Rangers being kicked down the leagues.

RANGERS ARE NOT IN ANY LEAGUE. I felt bold capitals might attract the attentions of Traynor and co, should they wander by between smacking their own knuckles off a keyboard. Actually no, he doesn't need one, he just copies and pastes out of the newest email he's gotten from Rangers PR...

So yes, they aren't in any league, nor have any right to be in one. They tried to get straight into the SPL and rightly failed. Now they will try and get into the SFL.

In the long run, this nonsense of portraying this as being all the 'diddy' clubs ganging up to put the boot into Rangers will serve only to put a bigger divide, and more hatred into our game. The media has been outright lying to the Rangers fans for years, yet they haven't learned the lesson. Telling them everything was rosy when they were headed for the blender, now telling them they've done nothing wrong and it's all the other clubs fault strikes me as heading us towards nothing good in future. One day New Rangers will return to the SPL, but thanks to the media, it will not be one that has weathered its hard times and returned ready to participate, it will be one spitting with even more rage than before, with an almighty chip on its shoulder.

[Famous_Fifer]

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I sincerely wish he allowed comments on his blog, if only to see what people think of his 'journalism'

Looks like the Daily Rancid has disabled the comments section on all stories to do with newhun. Looks like they can't handle people commenting on their amateur journalism.

[Twa Cairpets]

Worth getting some Hibs momentum behind a new twitter account thats got 400 followers in half an hour of thereabouts. @spltogether #spltogether

[Baldy Foghorn]

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Fat blob Traynor to-day

But is it really the will of the people or the ignorant views of semi-literate gangs of keyboard clatterers?


Fat git, I'm not a violent person really but I defo would make an exception with him


http://blogs.dailyrecord.co.uk/jimtr...Jim+Traynor%29

Aye no bother Jim, Rangers leave creditors high and dry to the tune of tens of millions, and have cheated our system and national game for decades.....Yet the fans/clubs who cite sporting integrity are knuckle draggers.....Christ I thought our media could not get any lower, but you have managed succinctly, well done Jim....Lets all power high five you and bow to your superior knowledge.....

[Spike Mandela]

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Aye no bother Jim, Rangers leave creditors high and dry to the tune of tens of millions, and have cheated our system and national game for decades.....Yet the fans/clubs who cite sporting integrity are knuckle draggers.....Christ I thought our media could not get any lower, but you have managed succinctly, well done Jim....Lets all power high five you and bow to your superior knowledge.....

Traynor is struggling to come to terms with the fact that he and his paper are fast becoming an irrelevance in modern sports news and comment.

We are seeing the last throes of a dinosaur.

[HibbyDave]

IF the loss of Der Hun to the world of scottish Football is to be believed at £15 million, what is the cost of running all three governing bodies (SFA,SPL, SFL) who currently could not run a menage?

If we simply bin at least two of these bodies then there must be savings to scottish football overall?

[green glory]

The vote on Newhun's entry (or not) into SFL1 has been brought forward to 10th. Something to do with folks being busy on the 12th with bowler hats and sashes I think.

In order to even think about an application to join any league in Scotland though, more rules will have to ignored.

https://twitter.com/spartansfc/statu...04853544685568

[green glory]

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The vote on Newhun's entry (or not) into SFL1 has been brought forward to 10th. Something to do with folks being busy on the 12th with bowler hats and sashes I think.

In order to even think about an application to join any league in Scotland though, more rules will have to ignored.

https://twitter.com/spartansfc/statu...04853544685568

My apologies, it's now been changed to the 13th. Jeezus!