Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

***CentreLine*** · 24-02-2022 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by weecounty hibby

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Spoke to a couple of huns about this and even they are getting a bit nervous about all of this. They were asking how they can be a going concern but continually offer share issues to raise cash. I pray to every God that has ever existed that the stain on civilised Scottish society that is rangers goes pop again. The unfortunate thing is there does seek to be a never ending supply of gullible bigots who are prepared to chuck money away on worthless shares/loans

Agree with almost every word. Except the bit about going pop “again”
This is a new entity modelled entirely on the previous club that was Rangers but with added vigour towards bigotry. If they go pop it will be for the first time. Otherwise very well made points. 👍🏻

**Mick O'Rourke** · 24-02-2022 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by jacomo

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Happy birthday!

Belated, but thank you !!
Seven Zero does have a ring to it !!

**DaveSo** · 31-03-2022 07:27 PM

Surprised there has not been much comment on this about the civil war simmering over at Ibrox between the Board and the fans.
Note today the board has back tracked and pulled out of the trip to Australia.
That is a lot of dosh the Board have walked away from.
I'm sure they have a plan (not) !

**HoboHarry** · 31-03-2022 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by DaveSo

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Surprised there has not been much comment on this about the civil war simmering over at Ibrox between the Board and the fans.
Note today the board has back tracked and pulled out of the trip to Australia.
That is a lot of dosh the Board have walked away from.
I'm sure they have a plan (not) !

Don't know if it's true but it's been mentioned that are now subject to a hefty financial penalty for walking away. Hope they are anyway.

**Mick O'Rourke** · 31-03-2022 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by HoboHarry

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Don't know if it's true but it's been mentioned that are now subject to a hefty financial penalty for walking away. Hope they are anyway.

Yes, they may have breached a contract.
Newco are saying the organisers have.
Its them wanting the game to be named "Old Firm" and to keep pretending they were formed in the 19th century.
Celtic are branding it as "Ange's Homecoming" and i think "Glasgow Derby"(not old firm)
Zombies are ragin ,so.... "we're no playin"

***JimBHibees*** · 31-03-2022 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by HoboHarry

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Don't know if it's true but it's been mentioned that are now subject to a hefty financial penalty for walking away. Hope they are anyway.

The club following the example of the fans.

**Mick O'Rourke** · 31-03-2022 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by JimBHibees

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The club following the example of the fans.

The official version

A defiant Ally McCoist issued a rallying cry in the midst of the Ibrox insolvency crisis, quashing all talk of quitting by declaring:
'This is my club, the same as it is for thousands and thousands of Rangers supporters, and we don't do walking away.

16 Feb 2012

**HoboHarry** · 31-03-2022 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by JimBHibees

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The club following the example of the fans.

I selected my words carefully

**ancient hibee** · 31-03-2022 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by HoboHarry

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Don't know if it's true but it's been mentioned that are now subject to a hefty financial penalty for walking away. Hope they are anyway.

The financial penalty is that they will no longer be trousering the three million quid they would have done if they’d gone.

**HoboHarry** · 31-03-2022 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by ancient hibee

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The financial penalty is that they will no longer be trousering the three million quid they would have done if they’d gone.

No, it's been said elsewhere that there is a penalty clause for withdrawing.

***O'Rourke3*** · 31-03-2022 10:24 PM

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No, it's been said elsewhere that there is a penalty clause for withdrawing.

The Rangers thought the penalty clause was the one that operates here which is, "The Rangers will receive a free kick from the penalty spot regardless of whether there is a legitimate offence at the time of the award."
The fact the board backed down means they need the Union Bears more than the UB need them...

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***JimBHibees*** · 01-04-2022 05:41 AM

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The Rangers thought the penalty clause was the one that operates here which is, "The Rangers will receive a free kick from the penalty spot regardless of whether there is a legitimate offence at the time of the award."
The fact the board backed down means they need the Union Bears more than the UB need them...

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The club backing down to weirdos who chuck toilet rolls and tennis balls on the pitch when the team are losing isn't a good look imo.

**marinello59** · 01-04-2022 07:36 AM

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The club backing down to weirdos who chuck toilet rolls and tennis balls on the pitch when the team are losing isn't a good look imo.

What wasn’t a good look was even thinking about playing a friendly Derby match in Australia. I’d like to think we would react in a similar way if the Edinburgh Derby was going to be designated as a friendly and played in a country which meant most ordinary fans would have no chance of attending.
I hate to give them credit but well done to the Rangers fans for running a successful campaign to get the game down under called off.

***MKHIBEE*** · 01-04-2022 08:16 AM

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What wasn’t a good look was even thinking about playing a friendly Derby match in Australia. I’d like to think we would react in a similar way if the Edinburgh Derby was going to be designated as a friendly and played in a country which meant most ordinary fans would have no chance of attending.
I hate to give them credit but well done to the Rangers fans for running a successful campaign to get the game down under called off.

What should it be designated as then?

***neil7908*** · 01-04-2022 08:19 AM

I just love the statement - classic Sevco. Withdrawal is nothing to do with fan discontent of course! Surely if they have signed the contract for the friendly it should be clear what each side commits to, and any dispute could be raised in court?

***Carheenlea*** · 01-04-2022 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by marinello59

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What wasn’t a good look was even thinking about playing a friendly Derby match in Australia. I’d like to think we would react in a similar way if the Edinburgh Derby was going to be designated as a friendly and played in a country which meant most ordinary fans would have no chance of attending.
I hate to give them credit but well done to the Rangers fans for running a successful campaign to get the game down under called off.

I suppose one way of looking at an Edinburgh Derby friendly being played overseas would be that the target audience isn’t aimed at us. Just an opportunity to bring the fixture to expats and an overseas audience who wouldn’t normally have the chance to see such a game.

The Old Firm is such a toxic brand the project was doomed from the start.

**Mick O'Rourke** · 01-04-2022 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by marinello59

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What wasn’t a good look was even thinking about playing a friendly Derby match in Australia. I’d like to think we would react in a similar way if the Edinburgh Derby was going to be designated as a friendly and played in a country which meant most ordinary fans would have no chance of attending.
I hate to give them credit but well done to the Rangers fans for running a successful campaign to get the game down under called off.

Most ordinary fans,when their team do friendlies abroad or pre season tours closer to home in Europe could not afford to follow them.

The Celtic v sevco game in Oz would fill theiir biggest grounds.
Scots Expats,and Irish/English from throughout Australia would want to see that.
A few years ago Liverpool played in Melbourne ....95.000 attended

Security would maybe be an issue though !

**Since90+2** · 01-04-2022 08:32 AM

Rangers cancelled because they simply couldn't take being the B side to Celtic in Australia, which they very much would have been.

***CentreLine*** · 01-04-2022 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by marinello59

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What wasn’t a good look was even thinking about playing a friendly Derby match in Australia. I’d like to think we would react in a similar way if the Edinburgh Derby was going to be designated as a friendly and played in a country which meant most ordinary fans would have no chance of attending.
I hate to give them credit but well done to the Rangers fans for running a successful campaign to get the game down under called off.

There is merit in that argument and I agree about friendly match. But how about being more radical and taking some of our more attractive league games abroad?

If we want to showcase to a broader audience and benefit the club by x millions for one match, then why not. If 80 to 100k people wanted to attend in somewhere like New York or Melbourne, carefully planned, it might work.

There are enough ex-pats in these places to generate interest and a properly done beamback would be an option, as well as tv at home and in the pub. Maybe even justify a number of fans on a charter put on by the club??
I know it’s April fools day but something like this shouldn’t be dismissed all together I feel

***Carheenlea*** · 01-04-2022 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by Mick O'Rourke

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Most fans when their team do friendlies abroad or pre season tours could not afford to follow them

The Celtic v sevco game in Oz would fill theiir biggest grounds.
Scots Expats,and Irish/English from throughout Australia would want to see that.
A few years ago Liverpool played in Melbourne ....95.000 attended

I’ve never been to an Old Firm game and despise them both, but if I was an expat in Australia I’d probably go to the game for the novelty factor.

**Mick O'Rourke** · 01-04-2022 08:38 AM

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Rangers cancelled because they simply couldn't take being the B side to Celtic in Australia, which they very much would have been.

Exactly
All those Irish descendants of Botany Bay and Wild Colonial boys !!

**Renfrew_Hibby** · 01-04-2022 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by O'Rourke3

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The Rangers thought the penalty clause was the one that operates here which is, "The Rangers will receive a free kick from the penalty spot regardless of whether there is a legitimate offence at the time of the award."
The fact the board backed down means they need the Union Bears more than the UB need them...

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Union Bears starting to have control/influence over the board much like you see in places like Italy. Not quite at the level of say Lazio ultras threatening all and sundry after a derby defeat but you can see there is an uneasy relationship (from the boards point of view) starting to take shape.
I'm sure Lawell didn't pander to the green brigade and was quite confrontational with them at times (I may be imaging things) but they don't seem to be as dominant a force within Celtic as the UB seem to be at Ibrox.

***Billy Whizz*** · 01-04-2022 10:22 AM

Have Rangers been charged for the ball throwing incident at Dens Park?

***CropleyWasGod*** · 01-04-2022 10:28 AM

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Have Rangers been charged for the ball throwing incident at Dens Park?

By whom?

It won't be the SFA, as there is no strict liability in Scotland.

***degenerated*** · 01-04-2022 11:18 AM

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Have Rangers been charged for the ball throwing incident at Dens Park?

No, but the SFA are giving Porteous a 3 game suspension for it.

**Iain G** · 01-04-2022 11:19 AM

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I just love the statement - classic Sevco. Withdrawal is nothing to do with fan discontent of course! Surely if they have signed the contract for the friendly it should be clear what each side commits to, and any dispute could be raised in court?

Pulling out of a poorly judged tournament under fan pressure, losing out on £3m AND getting hit by a fine for breach of contract? They've only gone and Cinched it 🤣

**A Hi-Bee** · 01-04-2022 11:36 AM

Melbourne is a really nice city, they have dodged one here, the knuckle draggers would have came from all over this huge country.
Hordes o huns, no thanks any civilised country would just say NO.

***Keith_M*** · 01-04-2022 11:43 AM

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The Rangers thought the penalty clause was the one that operates here which is, "The Rangers will receive a free kick from the penalty spot regardless of whether there is a legitimate offence at the time of the award."
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