hibs.net Messageboard

View Poll Results: What is your attitude to a new "Rangers" entering at Div1?

Voters
1004. You may not vote on this poll
  • Opposed - and will walk away from Scottish professional football

    533 53.09%
  • Opposed - but will continue to support the game.

    447 44.52%
  • In favour.

    24 2.39%
Page 1317 of 1480 FirstFirst ... 31781712171267130713151316131713181319132713671417 ... LastLast
Results 39,481 to 39,510 of 44390
  1. #39481
    Coaching Staff Ozyhibby's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Edinburgh
    Posts
    35,344
    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    The TP's action is against DK, not the company, so I can't see why it would, or could, stop them issuing more shares.
    Any decision to dilute existing shares would disadvantage the very smaller shareholders the takeover panels decision was meant to protect. Until DK complies I doubt they will be able to get any share issue through.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


  2. Log in to remove the advert

  3. #39482
    Left by mutual consent!
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Posts
    1,959
    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Any decision to dilute existing shares would disadvantage the very smaller shareholders the takeover panels decision was meant to protect. Until DK complies I doubt they will be able to get any share issue through.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    I'm no expert on company law however what you say sounds perfectly reasonable as it would make sense for any sane board to firstly deal with the consequences of any enforcement issues surrounding the existing shares prior to starting a whole new share offer. Just my opinion of course.

    GGTTH

  4. #39483
    Coaching Staff Ozyhibby's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Edinburgh
    Posts
    35,344
    If King gets Cold shouldered then I would imagine that it’s unlikely they will get any city companies to touch any share issue.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  5. #39484
    Left by mutual consent!
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Posts
    1,959
    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    If King gets Cold shouldered then I would imagine that it’s unlikely they will get any city companies to touch any share issue.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    There is certain to be consequences if the expectation of enforcement to comply materialises. I think CropleyWasGod's suggestion the gasl would depart the scene may be a likely outcome due to the cold shoulder aspect among other things such as being reluctant to producing the amounts of money involved or he may not have the money to hand.

    Not being an expert on company law I'm not sure what would then take place if the gasl fails to comply and departs the scene. It may be a new broom so to speak is sought to clean up the mess the gasl has left behind or even an administration event to cleanse the stink before the city or financial institutions would be able to become involved again. I don't know but its going to be very interesting indeed to see what does occur post enforcement to comply if issued which it should be in my opinion.

    GGTTH

  6. #39485
    Coaching Staff Ozyhibby's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Edinburgh
    Posts
    35,344
    If DK departs the scene then someone is going to have to step up and fund the £7m shortfall they have over the next 18 months.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  7. #39486
    Left by mutual consent!
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Posts
    1,959
    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    If DK departs the scene then someone is going to have to step up and fund the £7m shortfall they have over the next 18 months.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Would certainly think so.

    Its also creating case law as the Takeover Panel have never before as far as I'm aware sought a court of law to enforce its articles. The gasl and his accomplices attempted to virtually openly be dismissive of normal business practice rules. After being caught out doing so the gasl has now pleaded poverty and/or having no control over finances and is perversely in my opinion seeking the COS to overlook the breach of takeover panel rules as a result of his pleading poverty/no control over financial affairs.

    I'm really looking forward to seeing what happens here. If the court does what it should do and orders the gasl to offer all shareholders 20p for each of their shares the fall out could be huge or not but I'm really looking forward to seeing what happens here should the COS reach the correct judgment.

    GGTTH

  8. #39487
    Coaching Staff Ronniekirk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Paisley
    Posts
    11,900
    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh70 View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Would certainly think so.

    Its also creating case law as the Takeover Panel have never before as far as I'm aware sought a court of law to enforce its articles. The gasl and his accomplices attempted to virtually openly be dismissive of normal business practice rules. After being caught out doing so the gasl has now pleaded poverty and/or having no control over finances and is perversely in my opinion seeking the COS to overlook the breach of takeover panel rules as a result of his pleading poverty/no control over financial affairs.

    I'm really looking forward to seeing what happens here. If the court does what it should do and orders the gasl to offer all shareholders 20p for each of their shares the fall out could be huge or not but I'm really looking forward to seeing what happens here should the COS reach the correct judgment.

    GGTTH
    They seem to manage to avert the disasters everyone predicts could be round the corner for them
    Am becoming cynical now
    The only punishment that continues to irk the fans is not winning a trophy and not beating Celtic
    Hope that continues for as long as possible and we beat them again 3. 2 the next time we play them


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  9. #39488
    Coaching Staff Ozyhibby's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Edinburgh
    Posts
    35,344
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronniekirk View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    They seem to manage to avert the disasters everyone predicts could be round the corner for them
    Am becoming cynical now
    The only punishment that continues to irk the fans is not winning a trophy and not beating Celtic
    Hope that continues for as long as possible and we beat them again 3. 2 the next time we play them


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    They didn’t avert the disaster predicted for them in 2011.
    They are spending money they don’t have and have no source of conventional borrowing available to them. Their fans are only now realising that they have no chance of catching Celtic anytime soon. This is likely to see a drop in attendances soon. The other directors now appear to be tapped out as far as more borrowing goes so it’s down to DK to keep financing the losses which could be a lot higher if the fans lose faith and they fail to make the group stages of the Europa league. In short, they can only defy gravity for so long. Eventually the money will run out.
    As far as I can see the only thing that can save them is for Celtic to f up on a grand scale.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  10. #39489
    Testimonial Due Hibee87's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Leith
    Posts
    2,762
    Gamer IDs

    PSN ID: hibee-87
    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    They didn’t avert the disaster predicted for them in 2011.
    They are spending money they don’t have and have no source of conventional borrowing available to them. Their fans are only now realising that they have no chance of catching Celtic anytime soon. This is likely to see a drop in attendances soon. The other directors now appear to be tapped out as far as more borrowing goes so it’s down to DK to keep financing the losses which could be a lot higher if the fans lose faith and they fail to make the group stages of the Europa league. In short, they can only defy gravity for so long. Eventually the money will run out.
    As far as I can see the only thing that can save them is for Celtic to f up on a grand scale.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    this is the crux of the matter for them. Its like Hearts self importance on where they 'Should be' but x1000. As others have said their fans will only accept playing second fiddle to Celtic for so long, and if they are not even making 2nd place (A real possibility) they really will be in trouble. Unless their fans accept the same as the rest of us in the league, its only going to end in one spectacularly messy way.

  11. #39490
    Coaching Staff Iain G's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Edinburgh
    Age
    47
    Posts
    14,203
    Quote Originally Posted by Hibee87 View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    this is the crux of the matter for them. Its like Hearts self importance on where they 'Should be' but x1000. As others have said their fans will only accept playing second fiddle to Celtic for so long, and if they are not even making 2nd place (A real possibility) they really will be in trouble. Unless their fans accept the same as the rest of us in the league, its only going to end in one spectacularly messy way.
    At the moment they aren't even second fiddle, more like third viola!

    They will have to put up with being so far behind Celtic for a long time and put up with being on par with a number of other "also rans" and second place is not a guarantee for them.

    Lack of income from Europe and the only prospect of finishing 2nd place at best will set them up nicely for their next fall and I can't wait for that to come

  12. #39491
    Left by mutual consent!
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Posts
    1,959
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronniekirk View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    They seem to manage to avert the disasters everyone predicts could be round the corner for them
    Am becoming cynical now
    The only punishment that continues to irk the fans is not winning a trophy and not beating Celtic
    Hope that continues for as long as possible and we beat them again 3. 2 the next time we play them


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    To be fair on myself Ronnie I'm saying I don't know how it will play out if the COS orders the gasl to offer the 20p for each and every share. It's unprecedented for the Takeover Panel to pursue someone through the courts to seek enforcement of their rules. If the COS does indeed insist the gasl should abide by the Takeover Panels verdict then its going to be very interesting to see how it all plays out.

    GGTTH

  13. #39492
    Coaching Staff Ronniekirk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Paisley
    Posts
    11,900
    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh70 View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    To be fair on myself Ronnie I'm saying I don't know how it will play out if the COS orders the gasl to offer the 20p for each and every share. It's unprecedented for the Takeover Panel to pursue someone through the courts to seek enforcement of their rules. If the COS does indeed insist the gasl should abide by the Takeover Panels verdict then its going to be very interesting to see how it all plays out.

    GGTTH
    I wasn't really digging anyone up Just venting my frustration that despite all their protestations , since the original penalty was put in place not a lot else has happened
    Until King took over and tried to give them an arrogant swagger to fire up the mutants ,they had accepted it would probably take five years back in the top league to get back to competing with Celtic
    Brendan Rodgers appointment has certainly shown how big the gap now is
    Thats why their next managerial appointment has to be bold and one for now and the future




    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  14. #39493
    Left by mutual consent!
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Posts
    1,959
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronniekirk View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    I wasn't really digging anyone up Just venting my frustration that despite all their protestations , since the original penalty was put in place not a lot else has happened
    Until King took over and tried to give them an arrogant swagger to fire up the mutants ,they had accepted it would probably take five years back in the top league to get back to competing with Celtic
    Brendan Rodgers appointment has certainly shown how big the gap now is
    Thats why their next managerial appointment has to be bold and one for now and the future




    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Fair points mate. The COS decision could hurt King and The Rangers but we won't know until the COS judgement is in and will have to wait and see whether King will or won't pony up so to speak and the consequences that would bring if the judgement is the correct one that enforces the Panels verdict. I hope King is not long for Scottish Football, he's an embarrassing stain on it in my opinion

  15. #39494
    @hibs.net private member Hibernia&Alba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    Ma bit
    Posts
    19,645
    Any news on the Hun manager quest? Nothing about McInnes? They can't afford his release clause, can they?
    HIBERNIAN FC - ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY SINCE 1875

  16. #39495
    Left by mutual consent!
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Posts
    3,173
    Quote Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Any news on the Hun manager quest? Nothing about McInnes? They can't afford his release clause, can they?
    The Wally wi the Brolly please, pretty please wi sugar on top.

  17. #39496
    Coaching Staff Ozyhibby's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Edinburgh
    Posts
    35,344
    Quote Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Any news on the Hun manager quest? Nothing about McInnes? They can't afford his release clause, can they?
    They’re skint and it’s not going to get better anytime soon.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  18. #39497
    Left by mutual consent!
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Edinburgh
    Posts
    639
    Now that NI are looking likely to go out of the WC playoffs, do we reckon Ze Huns will go after Michael O’Neil?

  19. #39498
    Coaching Staff Ozyhibby's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Edinburgh
    Posts
    35,344


    Michael Ball asking questions about why he was defrauded out of his fee when he left old Rangers.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  20. #39499
    Coaching Staff HoboHarry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    12,061
    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote


    Michael Ball asking questions about why he was defrauded out of his fee when he left old Rangers.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    I had thought that in the event of a club going to the wall, that all football debts would be covered by the SFA?

  21. #39500
    @hibs.net private member jacomo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    exile
    Posts
    22,058
    Quote Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Any news on the Hun manager quest? Nothing about McInnes? They can't afford his release clause, can they?

    They are following their usual modus operandi - tap up their target, leak stories to the media, try to make their current job untenable. Then make a move with a cheap offer.

  22. #39501
    Coaching Staff HoboHarry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    12,061
    Quote Originally Posted by jacomo View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    They are following their usual modus operandi - tap up their target, leak stories to the media, try to make their current job untenable. Then make a move with a cheap offer.
    Aye but Stewart Milne is an Aberdonian - tighter that a ducks erchie and that's waterproof.........

  23. #39502
    @hibs.net private member CropleyWasGod's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2002
    Posts
    28,861
    Quote Originally Posted by HoboHarry View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    I had thought that in the event of a club going to the wall, that all football debts would be covered by the SFA?
    Football debts are paid out of the liquidation, so it would have been up to Michael Ball to make a claim to BDO.

    If he has a case, it's BDO that should be in his sights, not the SFA. My suspicion is that BDO have rejected the claim

  24. #39503
    Coaching Staff HoboHarry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    12,061
    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Football debts are paid out of the liquidation, so it would have been up to Michael Ball to make a claim to BDO.

    If he has a case, it's BDO that should be in his sights, not the SFA. My suspicion is that BDO have rejected the claim
    What grounds could BDO use to reject the claim? I'm struggling to think how they could.....

  25. #39504
    Coaching Staff Ozyhibby's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Edinburgh
    Posts
    35,344
    Quote Originally Posted by HoboHarry View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    I had thought that in the event of a club going to the wall, that all football debts would be covered by the SFA?
    This is a fraud case where they told Everton and Ball they received a lot less than they did. Everton and Ball were due a percentage.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  26. #39505
    Coaching Staff HoboHarry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    12,061
    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    This is a fraud case where they told Everton and Ball they received a lot less than they did. Everton and Ball were due a percentage.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Ah, ok. Why doesn't take it to court then? Why would he be waiting for an explanation from the SFA?

  27. #39506
    @hibs.net private member CropleyWasGod's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2002
    Posts
    28,861
    Quote Originally Posted by HoboHarry View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    What grounds could BDO use to reject the claim? I'm struggling to think how they could.....
    Liquidators will reject a claim if there's not sufficient evidence to back it up. In a normal trading situation, that would be the creditor showing invoices and statements; the liquidator would check the company's records to see if the money was actually due, and whether it had been paid.

    In Ball's case, he would have to show the contract (or the side-letter ) which shows the fee was due. BDO might come back and say "it was paid on...", or "the contract isn't valid" or. "you were only due £x if you played y games. You only played z games, so you're due hee-haw else".

    I'd be very surprised if he (or his solicitor) hasn't already had this conversation with BDO.

  28. #39507
    Coaching Staff Ozyhibby's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Edinburgh
    Posts
    35,344
    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Football debts are paid out of the liquidation, so it would have been up to Michael Ball to make a claim to BDO.

    If he has a case, it's BDO that should be in his sights, not the SFA. My suspicion is that BDO have rejected the claim
    Sevco agreed to cover all football debts as part of the 5 way agreement?


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  29. #39508
    @hibs.net private member CropleyWasGod's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2002
    Posts
    28,861
    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Sevco agreed to cover all football debts as part of the 5 way agreement?


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

    Yes, but it seems that this is not seen by anyone (other than MB and Everton) as a football debt. If they haven't made the case for that, it has to be dealt with by the liquidators.

  30. #39509
    Coaching Staff Ozyhibby's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Edinburgh
    Posts
    35,344
    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Yes, but it seems that this is not seen by anyone (other than MB and Everton) as a football debt. If they haven't made the case for that, it has to be dealt with by the liquidators.
    If they make the case for it now though and win then surely it can’t be seen as anything other than football debt?
    They can’t have made the case before now as the evidence wasn’t available.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  31. #39510
    @hibs.net private member CropleyWasGod's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2002
    Posts
    28,861
    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    If they make the case for it now though and win then surely it can’t be seen as anything other than football debt?
    They can’t have made the case before now as the evidence wasn’t available.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Yes, but not to the SFA, which is where we came in.

    MB is shouting up the wrong tree.
    Last edited by CropleyWasGod; 10-11-2017 at 03:42 PM.

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
hibs.net ©2020 All Rights Reserved
- Mobile Leaderboard (320x50) - Leaderboard (728x90)