Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[jacomo]

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That's the only thing I can think of that would have been against the law at that time. Kerb-crawling wasn't an offence back then.

Cottaging can be prosecuted under public decency laws.

George Michael got arrested a few years ago for, IIRC, exposing himself in a public toilet.

[brog]

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That is worded very vaguely and no evidence provided.

He says that Gough received a caution, but not what for. Cottaging could be a criminal matter, but lots of gay men have been prosecuted for crimes that, in the grand scheme of things, harmed nobody.

I stand by my earlier comment. Unless JJ has evidence to the contrary, his moral finger-pointing at Gough disgusts me. I get the point about police / media collusion around Rangers, but I find the tone of his piece quite troubling.

It was a very strong piece & contained much more detail than I'm sure anyone on here had seen before. I do share some of your concerns so it will be interesting to see if Gough seeks recourse through the courts.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Cottaging can be prosecuted under public decency laws.

George Michael got arrested a few years ago for, IIRC, exposing himself in a public toilet.

...in the States, though.

[jacomo]

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It was a very strong piece & contained much more detail than I'm sure anyone on here had seen before. I do share some of your concerns so it will be interesting to see if Gough seeks recourse through the courts.

It was, on the face of it, a scandalous piece of character assassination.

JJ appears to be trying to tie Richard Gough's name to the football sexual abuse scandal. Unless he has evidence, I think it is disgusting behaviour tbh.

[jacomo]

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...in the States, though.

Oh fair enough!

I'm sure there are similar laws here though.

[Ozyhibby]

All this stuff about Gough is a complete distraction and in no way harms Sevco. Waste of time.


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[Moulin Yarns]

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Oh fair enough!

I'm sure there are similar laws here though.

I think the law was changed and it needed to be more than 'just' soliciting. The age was also reduced to 16

[CropleyWasGod]

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I think the law was changed and it needed to be more than 'just' soliciting. The age was also reduced to 16

The law on kerb crawling was introduced around 2007, to bring it into line with England.

(This despite the recommendations of an expert working group who advised against it, on the grounds that it actually jeopardises sex-worker safety.....but that's probably for another debate.)

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[magpie1892]

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All this stuff about Gough is a complete distraction and in no way harms Sevco. Waste of time.

It may not harm sevco, but it does disabuse the club and their lovely fans of the notion that 'it's everyone else, but there's nothing to see here', which is complete bollocks.

[CropleyWasGod]

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All this stuff about Gough is a complete distraction and in no way harms Sevco. Waste of time.


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If they can be held to account for past misdemeanours, just as we and other clubs may be, then it surely can hurt them, no?

After all, they're the same club, no?

[greenginger]

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2016-...ort-term-deal/


Barton back to Burnley for rest of season.

I heard from a pretty good source that Barton got £ 495,000 to walk away.

Shame, I would have hoped it would have been a lot more.

[jacomo]

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It may not harm sevco, but it does disabuse the club and their lovely fans of the notion that 'it's everyone else, but there's nothing to see here', which is complete bollocks.

No it does not!

This has nothing to do with the scandal of abuse in football - unless you have evidence to the contrary, in which case you really should share it.

[magpie1892]

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No it does not!

This has nothing to do with the scandal of abuse in football - unless you have evidence to the contrary, in which case you really should share it.

I have shared it with several members of this board in PMs. It's quite disgusting.

I'm mindful, though, of the request in another thread not to name the player involved (the abuser, not the abused, who was a 15-year-old RFC trainee) on this board, a request that I said I was happy to agree to, and have no intention of reneging on.

Even though JJ is an absolute throbber, I have to concede that he's bang on the money here and this was 20+ years ago, long before his language-mangling blog was thought of.

I respect the fact that you think it's 'nothing to do with the scandal of abuse in football' without evidence to the contrary, however. This particular story has been common knowledge on SMSM sports desks for nearly a quarter of a century so I doubt it's going to come out now but unless JJ actually finds himself in court for libel, I'll consider that instructive about a story I already know to be true.

Reminds me a little of when Beckham and his fragrant wife announced via a Press Release that they were going to sue the News of the World for their splash that Beckham had had an affair with Rebecca Loos. They never did, because the story was true.

[jacomo]

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I have shared it with several members of this board in PMs. It's quite disgusting.

I'm mindful, though, of the request in another thread not to name the player involved (the abuser, not the abused, who was a 15-year-old RFC trainee) on this board, a request that I said I was happy to agree to, and have no intention of reneging on.

Even though JJ is an absolute throbber, I have to concede that he's bang on the money here and this was 20+ years ago, long before his language-mangling blog was thought of.

I respect the fact that you think it's 'nothing to do with the scandal of abuse in football' without evidence to the contrary, however. This particular story has been common knowledge on SMSM sports desks for nearly a quarter of a century so I doubt it's going to come out now but unless JJ actually finds himself in court for libel, I'll consider that instructive about a story I already know to be true.

Reminds me a little of when Beckham and his fragrant wife announced via a Press Release that they were going to sue the News of the World for their splash that Beckham had had an affair with Rebecca Loos. They never did, because the story was true.

Well fair enough and obviously you should not disclose names in this situation. I worded that poorly.

[Keith_M]

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See post 35705


JJ stated that there was a belief that one of the boys was 15 at the time.....

https://johnjamessite.com/2016/12/10...you-were-here/

Cheers Brog

[CyberSauzee]

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Can you remember what the caution was for?

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Can't recall but the implication was that they were doing something that should be happening behind closed doors.

[snedzuk]

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"Tortious interference" is the correct term, there's no mix up here.

No mix up here either - the errors are in the report (along with several others)

[brog]

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No mix up here either - the errors are in the report (along with several others)

You need to elaborate re these errors.

[Moulin Yarns]

The gift that keeps on giving


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-38404056

[CropleyWasGod]

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The gift that keeps on giving


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-38404056

Kinda glad that he has pled not guilty.

The case itself could be a series of popcorn moments.

[Ozyhibby]

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Kinda glad that he has pled not guilty.

The case itself could be a series of popcorn moments.

Yes. I still don't think it will get to court though. One too many Knights of the realm will be exposed if it does.


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[CropleyWasGod]

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Yes. I still don't think it will get to court though. One too many Knights of the realm will be exposed if it does.


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The plot in that respect is quite thick.

On one hand we have CW, represented by Sash Finlay........

...whose boss used to be......

[Ozyhibby]

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The plot in that respect is quite thick.

On one hand we have CW, represented by Sash Finlay........

...whose boss used to be......

It would be rather fun I must say.


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[brog]

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The plot in that respect is quite thick.

On one hand we have CW, represented by Sash Finlay........

...whose boss used to be......

Has Findlay won any recent cases? He always seems to be counsel of choice for high-profile trials but invariably it seems his clients go down! Still "No Surrender" & all that Tom Kite. As you say, should be fun!

[Ozyhibby]

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Has Findlay won any recent cases? He always seems to be counsel of choice for high-profile trials but invariably it seems his clients go down! Still "No Surrender" & all that Tom Kite. As you say, should be fun!

50% of the lawyers at any trial lose. I think he takes on the most difficult cases.


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[southsider]

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50% of the lawyers at any trial lose. I think he takes on the most difficult cases.


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DF always seem to defend the ****bag murders and rapists who every man and his dog knows is guilty.

[Ozyhibby]

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DF always seem to defend the ****bag murders and rapists who every man and his dog knows is guilty.

This will make a nice change for him then as Craig Whyte isn't even close to David Murray in the ****bag stakes.


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[Keith_M]

Will they also charge Murray for failing to perform 'due diligence' on Whyte's takeover?

[CropleyWasGod]

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Will they also charge Murray for failing to perform 'due diligence' on Whyte's takeover?

It's not an offence, of course....but I do hope that DF presses the point if SDM is a witness in CW'S trial

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[northstandhibby]

http://www.vanguardbears.co.uk/artic...de-in-scotland

This must be one of the most truly astonishing things I have ever read. A real conspiracy theory of epic proportions.

The Huns are claiming to be an 'indigenous' population being deliberately eradicated out of their cultural homeland.

Utterly preposterous.