Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[truehibernian]

[QUOTE=CropleyWasGod;4879768]

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Just saw that, thanks.

He also says that soliciting sexual services is a crime. It isn't. However, that's probably not the main issue here.

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I think the time bar was removed from 2005 legislation (Protection of Children / Sexual Offences) so technically he is correct CWG - grooming, soliciting, payment, etc. I'll check.

I recall going to the Rangers v Hibs final (McCoist overhead kick) and said Rangers player getting it tight from the stands - it may have been around that time it was in some kind of public domain ?

Either way, hope all involved in abuse are identified and prosecuted - I also hope that it's through legal process and the media don't hijack cases presented and risk cases falling through - and allow the courts to do their work diligently.

[CropleyWasGod]

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I think it is for the hooker but not the bloke. Shameful really.


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It's not illegal to sell sex either.

It's illegal to solicit to sell sex in a public place. It's also illegal to kerb crawl for sex.

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[CropleyWasGod]

[QUOTE=HoboHarry;4879769]

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Really? So anyone in the UK can approach a hooker and negotiate a fee and that's not illegal?

Anyone can buy sex ....unless you live in Northern Ireland

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[oldbutdim]

I've been paying for sex for 37 years.

[fat freddy]

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Anyone can buy sex ....unless you live in Northern Ireland

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Do you have to barter for it in Northern Ireland?

[jacomo]

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I've been paying for sex for 37 years.

Life sentence.

[magpie1892]

[QUOTE=fat freddy;4879747]

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Which bit was slander?


The bits about sneaking out of The Scotland training camp to pick up under age rent boys and then having a marriage of convenience arranged to deflect from his rampant desire for penetrating young boys whilst on Scotland international duty. I was shocked that he came right out and said it, we've all heard the rumours but no one in the mainstream media has even touched upon it, let alone put themselves up there to be shot down if the accusations aren't true. It was brave and possibly slanderous, depends if its true or not. As he has now recieved a cease and desist letter from Goughs lawyer it is clear he has rattled a few cages and Goughs next move will be very instructive. Sue to save his reputation? The alternative is silence and that may just prove to those following this story that Johnjames has revealed a truth.

It's slander if it's spoken. Libel if written down. Neither if true.

[pacorosssco]

[QUOTE=fat freddy;4879751]

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Interesting, the plot thickens, so it could be argued that Gough doesnt know whats been written about him? I find that hard to believe so his silence on the outing of the story remains a blot on his character. Not good from a sevco point of view given he is a club ambassador and paedophilia is to the forefront in many peoples minds at the moment.

This will be bigger than Jimmy across all clubs. Where kids are , offenders are. With Rangers player mentioned . Who knows , I dont. You are dammed if you do dammed if you dont though with response. At school a kid older me was accused , got beat a lot and his wee brother was branded. Was innocent story was made up but both lifes school and locally was not easy. Name stuck . Both did nothing at all

[Keith_M]

Could one of the nice Admins do us all a favour and fix the quotes in the above posts?

This is getting verrrrry complicated

[CropleyWasGod]

BDO's latest report....

https://www.bdo.co.uk/en-gb/rfc-2012-plc

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[Keith_M]

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BDO's latest report....

https://www.bdo.co.uk/en-gb/rfc-2012-plc

Does it say how much in total that BDO have now siphoned off in Fees in the last four years?

[Prof. Shaggy]

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Does it say how much in total that BDO have now siphoned off in Fees in the last four years?

£3,084,503.92

I think.

+ £191,364.84

[CropleyWasGod]

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Does it say how much in total that BDO have now siphoned off in Fees in the last four years?

Yep.

It also says that they got £24m from the former lawyers, and that they are still pursuing D&P. It also says that they have rejected all claims by CW and his related companies on the creditors' pot.

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[grunt]

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Does it say how much in total that BDO have now siphoned off in Fees in the last four years?

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£3,084,503.92

I think.

+ £191,364.84

Seems that Stephenson Harwood (lawyers) have had fees of £6.8m, largely to do with the case against Collyer Bristow, which, given it brought in £24m seems to have been money well spent.

[HoboHarry]

Obviously I don't know what is true and what's not, but there could be some fun in the new year if even half of it is....

https://johnjamessite.com/2016/12/18...-can-of-worms/

[northstandhibby]

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Obviously I don't know what is true and what's not, but there could be some fun in the new year if even half of it is....

https://johnjamessite.com/2016/12/18...-can-of-worms/

One thing we do know for sure is Craig Whyte didn't sell on a 'basket of assets' to Charles Green. They were bought from the administrators because a CVA could not be agreed on and Rangers went into liquidation 31st October 2012.

The rest of it sounds like Police Scotland and the Fraud Squad should be involved and fully address all of the issues as it sounds very much that criminality and financial criminality has occurred.

As for the Daily Record that should be investigated for crimes against truth and journalism.

Glory Glory

[CropleyWasGod]

A few thoughts on JJ's piece.

1. BDO, in their latest report, seem fairly confident that Worthington have no claim on the assets and no right to any dividend in the liquidation.

2. They also say that D&P are still refusing to reply to certain questions that have been asked of them. One can only speculate on what they are 😉

3. Putting JJ and BDO'S versions together, I wouldn't be surprised if D&P aren't yet out of the woods. Their attempt at suing Police Scotland may be a smokescreen to divert attention from that.

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[snedzuk]

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Obviously I don't know what is true and what's not, but there could be some fun in the new year if even half of it is....

https://johnjamessite.com/2016/12/18...-can-of-worms/

Its an interesting read but given the mixing of 'tortuous' and 'tortious' and the errors in font sizes on the contents page maybe not as genuine as it purports to be.

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​I just don't believe a word he says any more.

[Off the bar]

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​I just don't believe a word he says any more.

I just can't be arsed reading him any more, I lose the will to live after the first paragraph

[Renfrew_Hibby]

[QUOTE=HoboHarry;4879764]

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JJ stated that there was a belief that one of the boys was 15 at the time.....

https://johnjamessite.com/2016/12/10...you-were-here/

Don't read any of these blogs or keep up with all this sort of stuff. What I do know is that Craig Brown dropped Gough and I don't think he ever recalled him... Gough was leading Gers 9 in a row and was seen as a true leader of men. Why so then Craig?
Said in an interview that he would take the secret of why to his grave and that despite constant pressure from the media and fans, he was true to his word.
He said it was a matter of team spirit but the Gers 9 in a row was built on team spirit of which he was captain...

[HoboHarry]

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Don't read any of these blogs or keep up with all this sort of stuff. What I do know is that Craig Brown dropped Gough and I don't think he ever recalled him... Gough was leading Gers 9 in a row and was seen as a true leader of men. Why so then Craig?
Said in an interview that he would take the secret of why to his grave and that despite constant pressure from the media and fans, he was true to his word.
He said it was a matter of team spirit but the Gers 9 in a row was built on team spirit of which he was captain...

My memory isn't what it used to be but my recollection is that it was Andy Roxburgh that dropped Gough and Brown maintained that stance......

[The Green Goblin]

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Don't read any of these blogs or keep up with all this sort of stuff. What I do know is that Craig Brown dropped Gough and I don't think he ever recalled him... Gough was leading Gers 9 in a row and was seen as a true leader of men. Why so then Craig?
Said in an interview that he would take the secret of why to his grave and that despite constant pressure from the media and fans, he was true to his word.
He said it was a matter of team spirit but the Gers 9 in a row was built on team spirit of which he was captain...

Interesting. (Btw, Craig Brown is still alive.)

[livi hibs 1875]

[QUOTE=HoboHarry;4883088]

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My memory isn't what it used to be but my recollection is that it was Andy Roxburgh that dropped Gough and Brown maintained that stance......

Brown's version of what happened.https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/27948434&ved=0ahUKEwjps8zcuYDRAhUlBMAKHRpWB2QQFgga MAA&usg=AFQjCNHlGcJ7ExnAK6hRgAs6HpqqdiaR3A

[HoboHarry]

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Interesting. (Btw, Craig Brown is still alive.)

I'm not sure why name is on that, it wasn't my post but that said it's not far off of what I recall. I am getting old though......

[Keith_M]

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I'm not sure why name is on that, it wasn't my post but that said it's not far off of what I recall. I am getting old though......

People are messing with the quotes again, which makes it hard to see who said what when a lot of people start quoting each other.

[HoboHarry]

Keekaboo - look at my comment 35733 - I responded to Green Goblin but it showed the quote by Renfrew Hibby - that was nothing I did deliberately.......

[Keith_M]

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Keekaboo - look at my comment 35733 - I responded to Green Goblin but it showed the quote by Renfrew Hibby - that was nothing I did deliberately.......

I know that bud, I wasn't meaning to complain to you.






The problem is when one person messes one quote then there are a series of people quoting. You completely lose track of who said what.


In fact, I'm now not sure you're the person I should actually be responding to

[HoboHarry]

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I know that bud, I wasn't meaning to complain to you.






The problem is when one person messes one quote then there are a series of people quoting. You completely lose track of who said what.


In fact, I'm now not sure you're the person I should actually be responding to

I'm not and you didn't, I'm not here. I'm invisible.......

[Iain G]

[QUOTE=livi hibs 1875;4883146]

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Brown's version of what happened.https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&so...gAs6HpqqdiaR3A

Assume its cos he was a right arrogant sod?!?