Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Platinum Scotty]

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Excellent letter, well done that man!

agree totally - very well written

[Jim44]

Sorry to be a bore, but what did Stewart Milne say?

[Brunswickbill]

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Sorry to be a bore, but what did Stewart Milne say?

According to the Herald online:-
He said: “We want to have all of the top clubs up in the Premiership.
“If Rangers come up with the right approach – and everyone allows them to put what happened in the past behind them – it would be good for the game.
“It would be fantastic if Hibs were able to get back up to the Premiership this season as well.
“When you look back over the last five to six years we have come through some horrendous times economically.
“Some of our top clubs not being in the top division for a substantial part of that period didn’t help.
“We are bringing less money into the game through media deals than we were back in 2007.

“The Sky contract was renegotiated when we lost Rangers because they were part of the deal.
“We could no longer fulfil our agreement with them so money was pulled back.

“What we have to do now is find ways of bringing more money back into the game.
“Having Rangers and Hibs back at the top level again would help.”

Seems to me that the letter from the Dons fan is fine apart from one mistake. It isn't one club that has cheated it's way to trophies. There's two. It's just that one has managed to avoid proper scrutiny and hasn't been found out in the SMSM.

[Deansy]

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According to the Herald online:-
He said: “We want to have all of the top clubs up in the Premiership.
“If Rangers come up with the right approach – and everyone allows them to put what happened in the past behind them – it would be good for the game.
“It would be fantastic if Hibs were able to get back up to the Premiership this season as well.
“When you look back over the last five to six years we have come through some horrendous times economically.
“Some of our top clubs not being in the top division for a substantial part of that period didn’t help.
“We are bringing less money into the game through media deals than we were back in 2007.

“The Sky contract was renegotiated when we lost Rangers because they were part of the deal.
“We could no longer fulfil our agreement with them so money was pulled back.

“What we have to do now is find ways of bringing more money back into the game.
“Having Rangers and Hibs back at the top level again would help.”

Seems to me that the letter from the Dons fan is fine apart from one mistake. It isn't one club that has cheated it's way to trophies. There's two. It's just that one has managed to avoid proper scrutiny and hasn't been found out in the SMSM.

Oh I wouldn't worry about that too much, once the Hun realise that their ill-gotten 'Titles/Trophies' ARE being voided, their East Coast 'B' team will be the first ones to feel the Huns wrath as they set about on a monumental, hate-filled 'Whatabootery' campaign for any club/team whose financial affairs have ever had the slightest bit scrutiny - all aided and abetted by their media !!

It's gonna be great !!

[greenginger]

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Oh I wouldn't worry about that too much, once the Hun realise that their ill-gotten 'Titles/Trophies' ARE being voided, their East Coast 'B' team will be the first ones to feel the Huns wrath as they set about on a monumental, hate-filled 'Whatabootery' campaign for any club/team whose financial affairs have ever had the slightest bit scrutiny - all aided and abetted by their media !!

It's gonna be great !!

I very much doubt it, most of Scottish Football have got the belief that it was only the stupid Liths. who lost money.

A while back I had an extended exchange with a Celtic fan who was convinced Hearts owed the HMRC nowt when BDO were called in.

[Bostonhibby]

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I very much doubt it, most of Scottish Football have got the belief that it was only the stupid Liths. who lost money.

A while back I had an extended exchange with a Celtic fan who was convinced Hearts owed the HMRC nowt when BDO were called in.

They ain't that popular with a few St Mirren fans I know either.

When situations like the above arise I think its our public duty to raise awareness for people that there are businesses about who have built on foundations of using money that belongs to the council, taxpayers, the NHS and even charities they claim to support, only to go into administration to avoid the debts. It's about doing the right thing.

Lest they forget.

[Brunswickbill]

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I very much doubt it, most of Scottish Football have got the belief that it was only the stupid Liths. who lost money.

A while back I had an extended exchange with a Celtic fan who was convinced Hearts owed the HMRC nowt when BDO were called in.

I had a similar experience with a very knowledgeable Celtic fan who is right into the Sevco goings on. When I drew a parallel with the yams his reply was "oh but they went about it the right way." When he had scraped me off the roof I put him straight on a few things but he wasn't really interested.

[hibs0666]

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I had a similar experience with a very knowledgeable Celtic fan who is right into the Sevco goings on. When I drew a parallel with the yams his reply was "oh but they went about it the right way." When he had scraped me off the roof I put him straight on a few things but he wasn't really interested.

That's the thing about that mob - they spout 'sporting integrity' but they're only really interested in a bit of one-upmanship over their rivals.

[s.a.m]

Sky Sports Scotland ‏@ScotlandSky 1m1 minute ago #Rangers director Paul Murray tells @SkySportsNewsHQ £5 million has been deposited with solicitors to repay Sports Direct loan...

[robinp]

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Sky Sports Scotland ‏@ScotlandSky 1m1 minute ago #Rangers director Paul Murray tells @SkySportsNewsHQ £5 million has been deposited with solicitors to repay Sports Direct loan...

So we can categorically say that rangers lawyers lied in open court during one of the recent hearings vs SD!

[Baldy Foghorn]

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So we can categorically say that rangers lawyers lied in open court during one of the recent hearings vs SD!

Lies lies lies, wonder if this will go unpunished?

[Col2]

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Lies lies lies, wonder if this will go unpunished?

Of course it will. It's now ok to blatantly lie, either in court or to the football authorities. I remember our friends from Gorgie telling everyone how financially ok they were and fighting to prove insolvency event in Lithuania had no impact on them (to avoid automatic relegation that season) while a few weeks later going into admin and ditching £32m.

[kaimendhibs]

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So we can categorically say that rangers lawyers lied in open court during one of the recent hearings vs SD!

They are shameless

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[Radium]

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Sky Sports Scotland ‏@ScotlandSky 1m1 minute ago #Rangers director Paul Murray tells @SkySportsNewsHQ £5 million has been deposited with solicitors to repay Sports Direct loan...

So, they have raised money to pay a debt incurred whilst finishing third in the championship last year and may (qualified because there seem to be so many twists to the contract) be able to trigger a seven year notice period to get out of the contract. They are a mess and are using good money to pay off bad. Either they are assured of promotion (through reconstruction) that will be announced ahead of next seasons ST sales or the board room roulette table is in overdrive

[Just Alf]

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They are shameless

And glib

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[kaimendhibs]

According to Paul Murray the solicitor made a simple mistake in court. Ah, thats ok then. In thevreal word im sure that is perjury

[Just Alf]

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According to Paul Murray the solicitor made a simple mistake in court. Ah, thats ok then. In thevreal word im sure that is perjury

Thise of you with a better idea.... could this actually cause them a problem?

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[Bostonhibby]

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Thise of you with a better idea.... could this actually cause them a problem?

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Glibly and shamelessly lying to a judge in court

Nah, they'll be fine.

Any one can be confused over whether they have handed over £5m or not.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Thise of you with a better idea.... could this actually cause them a problem?

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Think someone would have to make a complaint.

Even at that, who was the perjurer? I would say the solicitor.
It would only be their problem if the solicitor was following orders to say it.

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[Brunswickbill]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...ng-not-perjury
Remember Coulson got away with lying at the Tommy Sheridan trial at his perjury trial because the lying didn't affect the outcome. Seemed odd to me.

[HoboHarry]

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Think someone would have to make a complaint.

Even at that, who was the perjurer? I would say the solicitor.
It would only be their problem if the solicitor was following orders to say it.

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As far as I can see the solicitor would have had to have made iit up for him to be at fault. His comment must have come from info given to him surely?

[Just Alf]

Thanks folks..

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[Gordy M]

Is the crime of perjury not 'lying under oath'? Im not 100% sure but dont think lawyers are 'under oath' therefore not subject to perjury?

[kaimendhibs]

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Is the crime of perjury not 'lying under oath'? Im not 100% sure but dont think lawyers are 'under oath' therefore not subject to perjury?

Not sure, but they should be!

[CropleyWasGod]

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As far as I can see the solicitor would have had to have made iit up for him to be at fault. His comment must have come from info given to him surely?

In which light, I'm not sure there's a case here.

Client gives solicitor duff information. Solicitor repeats it in Court.

Fairly common occurrence, I would have thought. "I wisny there. It wisny me" says accused to solicitor. That's repeated in Court. Court finds that he wis there, and it wis him. Nobody gets done for perjury.

The only reason people are getting aerated about this is because it's them.

[Ozyhibby]

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In which light, I'm not sure there's a case here.

Client gives solicitor duff information. Solicitor repeats it in Court.

Fairly common occurrence, I would have thought. "I wisny there. It wisny me" says accused to solicitor. That's repeated in Court. Court finds that he wis there, and it wis him. Nobody gets done for perjury.

The only reason people are getting aerated about this is because it's them.

I agree. Perjury is committed in just about every court case there is and it rarely results in any punishment.


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[Ozyhibby]

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[Jack]

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In which light, I'm not sure there's a case here.

Client gives solicitor duff information. Solicitor repeats it in Court.

Fairly common occurrence, I would have thought. "I wisny there. It wisny me" says accused to solicitor. That's repeated in Court. Court finds that he wis there, and it wis him. Nobody gets done for perjury.

The only reason people are getting aerated about this is because it's them.

I'm sure on the day 2 bit the misleading statement was addressed by someone. Whoever it was said that because the £5m wasn't relevant to the case it didn't count as perjury.

[kaimendhibs]

Is asking your solicitor to
Lie on your behalf perjury?