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  • Opposed - but will continue to support the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skol View Post
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    Cheating by Rangers, but not signs of corruption by the SFA
    Once they found out about it the SFA turned a blind eye to it. They have never ruled on it at all. That’s corruption.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Skol View Post
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    Cheating by Rangers, but not signs of corruption by the SFA
    Of course there was - Sandy Bryson's "imperfect but eligible" was ok? Seriously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skol View Post
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    Cheating by Rangers, but not signs of corruption by the SFA
    1. Rigging an enquiry (Nimmo-Smith)
    2. Granting a UEFA licence to Rangers in 2012.
    3. Granting a UEFA licence to Rangers in 2017.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skol View Post
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    The game is not corrupt. A fair sprinkling of incompetents yes, but not corrupt
    While there is no openness or transparency in the way they make their decisions there will always be a shadow of doubt cast over this sleazy wee cabal.
    Space to let

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    Deliberately concealing a dual contract system for ten years from the SFA is not corruption? Falsifying statements in order to achieve a uefa licence is not corruption?


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    Nah, that's cheating.

    Sweeping it under the carpet and giving Rangers / the Rangers preferential treatment to every other club is corruption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snooky View Post
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    Is that your comment on the photo or a caption for it?
    Its Reeking of it


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    1. Rigging an enquiry (Nimmo-Smith)
    2. Granting a UEFA licence to Rangers in 2012.
    3. Granting a UEFA licence to Rangers in 2017.
    It's a much longer list than that. Add in ...

    4. A transfer embargo that only applies between transfer windows.
    5. Trying to shoehorn New Rangers into the premier.
    6. Trying to shoehorn New Rangers into the first division while threatening lower league clubs with armageddon.
    7. Signing up to a secret 5 way agreement with Old and New Rangers.
    8. Pretending New Rangers are Old Rangers.
    9. Allowing competition winners to stand even though the winners have been found guilty of improper registration.
    10. Allowing a convicted tax evader to be considered "fit and proper".

    I'm sure there are many, many more examples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens View Post
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    It's a much longer list than that. Add in ...

    4. A transfer embargo that only applies between transfer windows.
    5. Trying to shoehorn New Rangers into the premier.
    6. Trying to shoehorn New Rangers into the first division while threatening lower league clubs with armageddon.
    7. Signing up to a secret 5 way agreement with Old and New Rangers.
    8. Pretending New Rangers are Old Rangers.
    9. Allowing competition winners to stand even though the winners have been found guilty of improper registration.
    10. Allowing a convicted tax evader to be considered "fit and proper".

    I'm sure there are many, many more examples.
    The only good thing Potter has done in his life so far:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlFpHriMd8A

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    Quote Originally Posted by lapsedhibee View Post
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    The only good thing Potter has done in his life so far:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlFpHriMd8A
    I'd forgotten about that, absolutely disgraceful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens View Post
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    It's a much longer list than that. Add in ...

    4. A transfer embargo that only applies between transfer windows.
    5. Trying to shoehorn New Rangers into the premier.
    6. Trying to shoehorn New Rangers into the first division while threatening lower league clubs with armageddon.
    7. Signing up to a secret 5 way agreement with Old and New Rangers.
    8. Pretending New Rangers are Old Rangers.
    9. Allowing competition winners to stand even though the winners have been found guilty of improper registration.
    10. Allowing a convicted tax evader to be considered "fit and proper".

    I'm sure there are many, many more examples.
    I know, I just couldn't be bothered trawling my brain for other examples for a poster who I thought was either on the wind up or wasn't going to listen to the answers anyway.

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    The Hun 'won' titles/cups with players they couldn't afford - Guilty.
    The SFA KNEW this and yet, to date, have refused to even looking at stripping/voiding these tainted-titles - Guilty.


    Lots of other things as well but be in no doubt - CORRUPTION - not only exists in our game but it thrives and prospers !. Until there's a complete and thorough purge of the SFA, nothing will change !

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    Dave King deemed fit and proper, if thats not corrupt what is?

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    The burying of Jorge Cadete's paperwork in order to ensue he missed the old firm game is the absolute epitome of corruption. Farry lied about it then had to resign. Should have been prosecuted. If that's not corruption in action then what is?

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    https://philmacgiollabhain.ie/2018/0...ning-at-sevco/


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    That "OPM of the masses" line is brilliant. Very clever.......

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    Seen this guys columns a few times now don't know much about him,also far from being a financial wizard,he makes a valid point about a business relaying on loans very 6/12 months isn't a good way to go,eventually someone will want/need their money back or they will run out of people to ask. I can only see it going one way which is admin again,I can't wait 😊

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    The thing that doesn't ring true with me is the bit about RFC trying to get "invoice financing". Businesses like theirs are generally cash-based, whereas those who use IF are credit-based.

    Unless, of course, they're trying to get an advance on ST sales. Now, that would be a good plan.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    The thing that doesn't ring true with me is the bit about RFC trying to get "invoice financing". Businesses like theirs are generally cash-based, whereas those who use IF are credit-based.

    Unless, of course, they're trying to get an advance on ST sales. Now, that would be a good plan.....
    I think in one of his earlier pieces he indicated it was up front financing based on anticipated additional player fees when players exceeded a set number of games they'd played. But now that I've typed it out, it sounds daft.

    Found it https://philmacgiollabhain.ie/2017/1...ing-for-sevco/
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    Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    The thing that doesn't ring true with me is the bit about RFC trying to get "invoice financing". Businesses like theirs are generally cash-based, whereas those who use IF are credit-based.

    Unless, of course, they're trying to get an advance on ST sales. Now, that would be a good plan.....
    Apparently they were looking for people to advance them money until the future payments came in for Garner, Waghorn etc. As these payments are not guaranteed though as they are based on appearances, goals etc they were told to bolt.
    All allegedly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by grunt View Post
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    I think in one of his earlier pieces he indicated it was up front financing based on anticipated additional player fees when players exceeded a set number of games they'd played. But now that I've typed it out, it sounds daft.
    It sounds daft because it was which is why they were given nowt.


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    Quote Originally Posted by grunt View Post
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    I think in one of his earlier pieces he indicated it was up front financing based on anticipated additional player fees when players exceeded a set number of games they'd played. But now that I've typed it out, it sounds daft.

    Found it https://philmacgiollabhain.ie/2017/1...ing-for-sevco/
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    Apparently they were looking for people to advance them money until the future payments came in for Garner, Waghorn etc. As these payments are not guaranteed though as they are based on appearances, goals etc they were told to bolt.
    All allegedly.


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    Cheers, that makes sense. Well, as much sense as it would to a drowning man....

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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    Cheers, that makes sense. Well, as much sense as it would to a drowning man....
    While your here, if they do go into admin, would the 3 bears, NOAL etc count as connected creditors and therefore be excluded from any CVA vote?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    While your here, if they do go into admin, would the 3 bears, NOAL etc count as connected creditors and therefore be excluded from any CVA vote?


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    I think they should be, however.... see also the Hearts situation, where BJ saw fit to allow the bank to have a vote in the CVA.

    I know what you're thinking... ... if they are excluded, step forward Mr Hector. Again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    The thing that doesn't ring true with me is the bit about RFC trying to get "invoice financing". Businesses like theirs are generally cash-based, whereas those who use IF are credit-based.

    Unless, of course, they're trying to get an advance on ST sales. Now, that would be a good plan.....
    That's what the plan was under the Craig Whyte regime - use credit secured against future ST revenue to keep the team afloat until HMRC ruled in their favour. If they didn't, no loss to Whyte, it was gambling with the creditor's money...

    Anyways, borrowing against future ST sales is a standard way of financing sports clubs and is usually a pretty safe bet for the lenders - but clearly Rangers don't have that avenue open right now, otherwise they'd have used it to buy Murphy outright this window, rather than borrowing the player until the actual money comes in (because there's no way Brighton would have lent a player they're trying to offload without adding on a premium, meaning Rangers are losing money by doing things this way).
    Last edited by Aim Here; 11-01-2018 at 03:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    I think they should be, however.... see also the Hearts situation, where BJ saw fit to allow the bank to have a vote in the CVA.

    I know what you're thinking... ... if they are excluded, step forward Mr Hector. Again.
    Also it would make it harder for them to control the admin.


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    What I am looking forward to is the internal blood letting.

    They owe the money to themselves and each other!!

    Canny wait for the fall out. Blood and guts everywhere!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skol View Post
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    What is the evidence of corruption ?

    Were rangers allowed to re-form and retain their place ? OK the rules were bent, but lets be honest while we enjoyed the fall we also want to see rangers back in the top flight, but maybe not winning

    What about Celtic, did they get corruption in their favour when the Jorge Cadete registration was botched.

    Yes they get the better of decisions, but its not corruption
    Farry deliberately delayed the registration so he couldnt play in a cup tie v Rangers. Was the allowed to resign and signed a non disclosure agreement so he didnt have to divulge the truth, typical Scottish football brushing under the carpet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    Also it would make it harder for them to control the admin.


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    So the alleged shopping around for a cheap Administration company, and letting the cat out the bag, could all be in vein?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
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    So the alleged shopping around for a cheap Administration company, and letting the cat out the bag, could all be in vein?
    If it isn't vein it could be a bloodbath.......

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    https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/curren...0-ff0000d74aa7

    King must have lodged an appeal as a motion from his Counsel is being opposed tomorrow in the Inner House.

    He's not known as the Glib and Shameless for nothing.

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