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    Quote Originally Posted by Deansy View Post
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    Some very interesting 'MINIMUM Home Attendances' though, over a 15 year-period between 1970-1985-86 - 85-86 saw the arrival of the Lawrence Group and the big-money which in turn, increased the number of 'Loyals' who DIDN'T attend previously when they 'Played-within-their-means' - I.E won nowt !!

    http://www.fitbastats.com/rangers/cl...attendance.php

    A home gate of 4,000 in the 1971-72 season is puzzling for 'One of the biggest clubs in the world'
    All clubs had low attendances at times for a variety of reasons. My point was that over the piece Old Rangers support has generally transferred to Sevco with that drop a couple of years ago which co-incided with a bout of infighting at the new club.

    Getting supporters in the door is not going to be reason for their woes, as it was not the cause of their predecessor's downfall. If they dont get closer to Celtic though, the entertainment value for the rest of us will increase dramatically.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser1962 View Post
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    Old Rangers lowest average attendance in the last 50 years was 17,969 in season 1982-1983 which was just below their average for the previous season of 18,519. 1981-1982 also saw a home league attendance of 6,000 versus St. Mirren.

    These were the only two seasons that Old Rangers average attendance fell below 20,000 since the mid 1930's and their average gate, old and new, has not been under 32,000 for thirty years. Its only been under 40,000 once in the last 25 years. (32,798 in 2014-2015)
    Maybe so for averages, but they did hit some individual real lows as other posters have also pointed out. Remember the average will have been greatly boosted by sell out games v Celtic, Hibs, Hearts etc. But when they were struggling, they did often have gates of well less than 10,000.
    I was just pointing out if they start to sell less season tickets year on year due to not competing with Celtic then that might happen again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser1962 View Post
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    All clubs had low attendances at times for a variety of reasons. My point was that over the piece Old Rangers support has generally transferred to Sevco with that drop a couple of years ago which co-incided with a bout of infighting at the new club.

    Getting supporters in the door is not going to be reason for their woes, as it was not the cause of their predecessor's downfall. If they dont get closer to Celtic though, the entertainment value for the rest of us will increase dramatically.
    Well I agree that the chances are this thread will continue to provide good value!

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    All clubs had low attendances at times for a variety of reasons. My point was that over the piece Old Rangers support has generally transferred to Sevco with that drop a couple of years ago which co-incided with a bout of infighting at the new club.

    Getting supporters in the door is not going to be reason for their woes, as it was not the cause of their predecessor's downfall. If they dont get closer to Celtic though, the entertainment value for the rest of us will increase dramatically.
    Sorry, I wasn't arguing or finding fault with your post, it was more to highlight the difference between a Hun with NO money and a Hun WITH money. When you hear/read some of their guff, it's like the pre-'Lawrence Group' days didn't even exist and they've played to full houses ever since their inception(s) !

    Same problem exists over at the PBS !

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    They are now having to manage within their own resources for the first time since 1986.
    The fans are only seeing this year what that exactly means. If their crowds drop anywhere near to the 30k mark its curtains. The have far bigger overheads now than previously when crowds have went that low.
    Selling season tickets this summer is going to be tricky. The fans won't fall for #goingfor55. They see how far behind they are and signing teenagers who have never played first team football will never cut the gap. They won't be able bring in another Joey Barton name signing as they don't have the cash and the fans know now they need better quality than that. Interesting times ahead.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    They are now having to manage within their own resources for the first time since 1986.
    The fans are only seeing this year what that exactly means. If their crowds drop anywhere near to the 30k mark its curtains. The have far bigger overheads now than previously when crowds have went that low.
    Selling season tickets this summer is going to be tricky. The fans won't fall for #goingfor55. They see how far behind they are and signing teenagers who have never played first team football will never cut the gap. They won't be able bring in another Joey Barton name signing as they don't have the cash and the fans know now they need better quality than that. Interesting times ahead.


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    Sums up their problems very clearly, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco G View Post
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    Maybe so for averages, but they did hit some individual real lows as other posters have also pointed out. Remember the average will have been greatly boosted by sell out games v Celtic, Hibs, Hearts etc. But when they were struggling, they did often have gates of well less than 10,000.
    I was just pointing out if they start to sell less season tickets year on year due to not competing with Celtic then that might happen again.

    Actually, the only time they hung out the sold-out signs in the early 80s was against Celtc.

    The attendances against the likes of Hibs were pretty dire.


    e.g. My first ever visit to Ibrox was in October 1982 and I just looked up the attendance: 16,250 (TBF, the 250 was probably the number of Hibs Fans)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keekaboo View Post
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    Actually, the only time they hung out the sold-out signs in the early 80s was against Celtc.

    The attendances against the likes of Hibs were pretty dire.


    e.g. My first ever visit to Ibrox was in October 1982 and I just looked up the attendance: 16,250 (TBF, the 250 was probably the number of Hibs Fans)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deansy View Post
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    Some very interesting 'MINIMUM Home Attendances' though, over a 15 year-period between 1970-1985-86 - 85-86 saw the arrival of the Lawrence Group and the big-money which in turn, increased the number of 'Loyals' who DIDN'T attend previously when they 'Played-within-their-means' - I.E won nowt !!

    http://www.fitbastats.com/rangers/cl...attendance.php

    A home gate of 4,000 in the 1971-72 season is puzzling for 'One of the biggest clubs in the world'
    Maybe there was a transport strike stranding all the "loyal" in their far flung towns and villages

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    Celtic weren't that much better. When McCann rebuilt Parkhead their crowds really picked up, but throughout the 80s I remember going through there (watch yer car fur ye mister) and attendances were generally 18-25k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peevemor View Post
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    Celtic weren't that much better. When McCann rebuilt Parkhead their crowds really picked up, but throughout the 80s I remember going through there (watch yer car fur ye mister) and attendances were generally 18-25k.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Keekaboo View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by wpj View Post
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    Maybe there was a transport strike stranding all the "loyal" in their far flung towns and villages
    More likely the ferries weren't sailing that weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    I think what is happening is that they are realising that they will never rival Celtic again. The gap is too big and its structural.
    Even once the retail deal ends in 6 years they won't even be close to matching Celtics income. And if there are to be 6 mores years of Celtic winning everything in sight then crowds at Ibrox will be back down to 80's levels.
    They needs a massive investment of free cash over a sustained period of time to try and bridge the gap. I just don't see where it's coming from.


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    Chris Sutton said that in one of the papers last week, much as I hate to say it but, Celtic should be hammering home the advantage they have over The Rangers and reduce them to a spent force once and for all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY View Post
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    Chris Sutton said that in one of the papers last week, much as I hate to say it but, Celtic should be hammering home the advantage they have over The Rangers and reduce them to a spent force once and for all.
    Hutchie, the nearer Celtic get to 10 in a row the worse their fans will behave. They are not a happy bunch and the Sevco Board are going to suffer from huge fan pressure in the next few years to stop the record being beaten. It's great fun to watch as the No Surrender brigade are struggling to cope!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canon Hannan View Post
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    Hutchie, the nearer Celtic get to 10 in a row the worse their fans will behave. They are not a happy bunch and the Sevco Board are going to suffer from huge fan pressure in the next few years to stop the record being beaten. It's great fun to watch as the No Surrender brigade are struggling to cope!
    I concur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peevemor View Post
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    Celtic weren't that much better. When McCann rebuilt Parkhead their crowds really picked up, but throughout the 80s I remember going through there (watch yer car fur ye mister) and attendances were generally 18-25k.
    I think Celtic were at it when it came to crowd numbers back then. I remember going through there a few times and thinking there was a pretty big crowd in the stadium, only for the attendance to be put at around 20k. There was no way the stadium was only a third full.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lord bunberry View Post
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    I think Celtic were at it when it came to crowd numbers back then. I remember going through there a few times and thinking there was a pretty big crowd in the stadium, only for the attendance to be put at around 20k. There was no way the stadium was only a third full.
    Possibly, but I also remember going there and the jungle being the only part of the ground looking half busy, with the rest, including the stand, pretty empty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser1962 View Post
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    Old Rangers lowest average attendance in the last 50 years was 17,969 in season 1982-1983 which was just below their average for the previous season of 18,519. 1981-1982 also saw a home league attendance of 6,000 versus St. Mirren.

    These were the only two seasons that Old Rangers average attendance fell below 20,000 since the mid 1930's and their average gate, old and new, has not been under 32,000 for thirty years. Its only been under 40,000 once in the last 25 years. (32,798 in 2014-2015)
    The other point at the time was that Fergie's Dons were averaging similar and Celtic were not much in front, so the vast budgetary advantage the OF have now didn't exist.

    If Rangers do return to these sort of attendances then it's not just a matter of being miles behind Celtic it's that they're in the chasing pack with the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by staunchhibby View Post
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    Not about time we closed this thread.Supposed to be hibs web site
    We could close the thread down, but someone would just buy the name of the thread and restart it and claim that it was the original thread

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    Actually, the only time they hung out the sold-out signs in the early 80s was against Celtc.

    The attendances against the likes of Hibs were pretty dire.


    e.g. My first ever visit to Ibrox was in October 1982 and I just looked up the attendance: 16,250 (TBF, the 250 was probably the number of Hibs Fans)
    Was that when Gordon Rae scored?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Is It On.... View Post
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    Was that when Gordon Rae scored?
    23 October 1982 was when we lost 3-2. Jackie Mac scored an OG from 20 yards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by worcesterhibby View Post
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    We could close the thread down, but someone would just buy the name of the thread and restart it and claim that it was the original thread
    Inspired post, Charles Green would be proud

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    We could close the thread down, but someone would just buy the name of the thread and restart it and claim that it was the original thread
    You could rename it THE Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread.


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    Quote Originally Posted by worcesterhibby View Post
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    We could close the thread down, but someone would just buy the name of the thread and restart it and claim that it was the original thread
    Excellent, this is precisely why threads like this need to remain open

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    Celtic weren't that much better. When McCann rebuilt Parkhead their crowds really picked up, but throughout the 80s I remember going through there (watch yer car fur ye mister) and attendances were generally 18-25k.
    Midweek League game v. Killie as the Celtc fans were really starting to push the Kellys and a group of supporters stood outside the turnstiles around the ground with them little clicker things to count the folk going in. Crowd: 8,005. Published crowd: 16k or so. The irony of Celtc overstating their attendances was not lost on most people.

    Uni mate of mine took me to Celtc v. Koln with the 'hoops' 2-0 down from the first leg. Celtc won 3-0 to go through on aggregate and the place (which held about 60,000 at the time) was absolutely rammed. Following morning: Att: 35,000. Hmm....

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    Quote Originally Posted by magpie1892 View Post
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    Midweek League game v. Killie as the Celtc fans were really starting to push the Kellys and a group of supporters stood outside the turnstiles around the ground with them little clicker things to count the folk going in. Crowd: 8,005. Published crowd: 16k or so. The irony of Celtc overstating their attendances was not lost on most people.

    Uni mate of mine took me to Celtc v. Koln with the 'hoops' 2-0 down from the first leg. Celtc won 3-0 to go through on aggregate and the place (which held about 60,000 at the time) was absolutely rammed. Following morning: Att: 35,000. Hmm....
    Can remember we played them at Parkhead in the cup and looked about 40k crowd reported as 25. Laughable.

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