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28-02-2012 05:11 PM #1621
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28-02-2012 07:30 PM #1622This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Were tickets effectively sold something that could never ever be fulfilled?
Money for nothin'
And the chicks for free ;)
Ticketus were at pains to state that they were not in the business of dealing out loans So me confuzzedLast edited by Viva_Palmeiras; 28-02-2012 at 07:32 PM.
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28-02-2012 07:43 PM #1623
Yes I'm confused too. Without sight of the contract we can only guess at what is says but having examined a few contracts in my time there is every chance I'd simply be more confused after reading it!
Whilst we are guessing as to what the it might say, the one certainty about the contract is that it will state in 50,000 words what could be reasonably stated in 5,000 These big commercial contracts are far from plain reading and in many cases far from plain English.
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28-02-2012 07:44 PM #1624
Not a lawyer, so this may be a long shot ....
A season ticket gives the holder the ability to purchase their seat for the following season if they choose to renew, so I suspect that may be the "personal right" referred to. I'm not sure if this is a contractual right however.
The Ticketus deal has been described as Rangers selling the season tickets for the next four years (three if you believe Whyte), which explains why there is VAT due now and not annually. So it could be that Rangers sold the right to buy a ticket for the same seat each year which they are not entitled to do.
That would make the deal null and void, getting Rangers off the hook for the £4m VAT they are due, but meaning that they owe Ticketus £24m. And since they don't have that money, Whyte's guarantee will be called in.
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28-02-2012 07:45 PM #1625This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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28-02-2012 07:48 PM #1626This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
It's the goodwill and good business sense that means the club (in this case Rangers) allow people to renew the same seat. There's absolutely no requirement for them to do it if they didn't want to.
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28-02-2012 07:49 PM #1627This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
CW calls in his guarantee.... and gets Ibrox.
CW sells Ibrox to pay Ticketus.
Assets stripped.
RFC move to Bellahouston Park
CW is down £18m
BingoLast edited by CropleyWasGod; 28-02-2012 at 08:53 PM.
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28-02-2012 07:52 PM #1628This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Sent from another universe!
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28-02-2012 09:43 PM #1629This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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29-02-2012 01:09 AM #1630
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...Dave-King.html
RANGERS director Dave King's multi-million pound vineyard is back on the market — after claims an auction to sell it was rigged.The sprawling South African estate was seized by officials over a £250million tax bill.appears to have all the necessary credentials to be the next owner at hunbrox
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29-02-2012 07:48 AM #1631
Sky Sports News published a list of Rangers employees. Can't make a link but this is the numbers.
First team squad 32
Coaches 11
U/19's 35
Academy coaches 7
Media/PR 13
Marketing 22
Various other pen-pushers 57
Total 177 not including match day
I think there is room for a bit of trimming ! 22 in marketing WTF ?
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29-02-2012 09:20 AM #1633This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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29-02-2012 10:56 AM #1636
wont be any news today, administrators dont want to detract from the scotland game tonight, understandable even though only one currant bun in the squad
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29-02-2012 11:19 AM #1637
I can't get my head around all of this and am probably missing the point, but some questions that seem to simple really.
Has Ticketus bought the rights for £24m to sell seasons tickets to derhun for the next 4 years, meaning all S.T. sales go to them instead of derhun?
If so, what would happen if knuckledraggers decided not to buy S.T's for the next 4 years and just paid at the gate? Would that leave Ticketus £24m out of pocket as there was no S.T. money for them?
That sounds to simple a solution to derhun to get around the £24m so I'm expecting that not to be the case.
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29-02-2012 11:25 AM #1638This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
So... and I had raised this earlier.... as I understand it, if nobody buys a ST, Ticketus are stiffed. This has two implications:-
1. the club will get the benefit of those 25k walk-ups every season, ie income more than they would have got from ST's, and a LOT more than they would get from Ticketus.
2. Ticketus would then go after CW, who has, according to him, underwritten the deal.
This may help them find a way out, as well as sticking it to CW.....but I don't think they have cottoned on to it yet, so let's just keep it to ourselves, eh?Last edited by CropleyWasGod; 29-02-2012 at 11:31 AM.
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29-02-2012 11:39 AM #1639This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Does it not just mean that "Ticketus" spread the sales across the term of the contract? That is, not specifically/necessarily "Season Tickets" but also walk-up tickets that are bought "at the gate" to to get in to Ibrox to sit in an allocated seat?
So, if Rangers sold only 20,000 season tickets in their next season then Ticketus would still get the money for c. 5,000 walk-ups per match and buying a ticket to make up the difference?
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29-02-2012 11:42 AM #1640This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Not sure, though, if that figure is spread evenly, or whether it's a TOTAL for the four years. ie if only 10,000 are sold in year 1, there are still 90,000 carried forward to years 2-4.
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29-02-2012 12:06 PM #1642This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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29-02-2012 12:41 PM #1643
So the administrators have found £6m in an account being held by a London solicitors acting on behalf of Craig whyte. The administrators believe it belongs to RFC. The solicitors say they are not obstructing the administrators in any way.
Curiosor and Curiosor!
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29-02-2012 12:46 PM #1644This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The Ticketus £24m, less the £18m paid to Lloyds.
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29-02-2012 01:15 PM #1645
Yep. Except their being drip fed all this ticket revenue will **** up their player buying kitty unless they want to pay by installment .. with their current issues they couldnae even raise a provy cheque.
They would normally buy on strength of season tickets...which, they wont have. So hopefully itll mean they can buy less, win nitto nd go kabooooom!
Ohyadancerye.....ohhhh as ah wis walking doon the copeland road.....
MON THE HMRCLast edited by Bad Martini; 01-03-2012 at 12:20 PM.
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29-02-2012 01:21 PM #1646This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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29-02-2012 01:52 PM #1647This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Maybe not.
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29-02-2012 02:18 PM #1648This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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29-02-2012 02:33 PM #1649
Thinking back about a year, there was a group of Gers supporters formed an action movement whose slogan was
" We Deserve Better "
I remember them getting interviewed outside Ibrox, incandescent with rage because their Bank was not allowing a huge transfer budget.
I wonder what their slogan is today ? We deserve -------? any suggestions
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29-02-2012 02:40 PM #1650
..rogering by a bishop.
Last edited by CropleyWasGod; 29-02-2012 at 02:59 PM.
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