Hi Pat,
Let's not kid ourselves about trying to snap up the best talent from other SPL clubs, as I know has been suggested in other posts on this site. They're not going to want to get involved in our ridiculous situation. Looking to the Irish League and to the lower English leagues is probably actually the answer. Young, hungry players who have a point to prove or who want to build on themselves. How about any of the following?
- David Hutton (Hamilton), 26 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_H...ler_born_1985)), reliable consistent keeper
- Conor Powell (Sligo Rovers), 24 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conor_Powell) out of contract soon, former Irish Young PLayer of the Season
- Jim McAllister (Hamilton) 26, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_McA...sh_footballer)), attacking right back
- Stephen Rice (Shamrock Rovers), 27 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Rice_(footballer), good ball winner midfielder and a natural leader
- Stuart Dallas (Crusaders) 20,(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Dallas) skillful creator and winger, tipped for big things. Current Young Player of the Year in NI
- Danny Crow (Luton), 25 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Crow), small skillful striker
- James Collins (Shrewsbury) 21 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_C...ler_born_1990)), powerful forward, out of contract in the summer
Go on, you know you want to...
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03-01-2012 06:11 PM #1
Good evening Pat...
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03-01-2012 06:14 PM #3This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Really?
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03-01-2012 06:17 PM #4
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So 2 Hamilton players and a bunch of Irish players along with a non league player will solve our problems. We would be relegated for definate. You set your sights lower than Rod Petrie in the transfer budget
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03-01-2012 06:21 PM #5This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Thanks for taking the time to pull yourself away from football manager on your PC in order to post this. Unfortunately I am managing in the real world and not the cyber fantasy world that you and those like you love to dream about. Now away and play with yer keyboard.
Regards
Pat (The real Hibs manager)
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Pretty much, yes. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Irish League players as being poor quality, their league is pretty much on a par with the SPL. Out of curiosity, whose the non-league player in my list? I'm assuming you mean the boy at Luton? He won't be there for long...
People are far too short sighted and assume that just because they've never heard of a player that he must be rubbish. Stuart Dallas, for example, has been tipped for great things and it's widely assumed in Ireland that he'll be in the EPL in a few years time.
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03-01-2012 06:23 PM #7This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Sadly not mate. I, unlike loads of others who post here, actually go to games and have a decent knowledge of football. I've watched loads of Irish League games and you'd be shocked.
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Joking aside, I'm being quite genuine. I am shocked at the level of players that people think we could attract to our club. Whilst I don't quite think we want to go do Duff Jimmy's Lee Power/ Paul Tosh route, I think we need to cast our net wider than wishful thinking about young EPL players on loan or cast offs that the Yams can't afford to keep.
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03-01-2012 06:43 PM #10
hmmmmmmm interesting post. Not sure about most of them . Sorry, ..but had to say who ? pretty much after each.
Except Jimbo " The Ger" McAlister. I know the boy well and been following his career. Rothesay > Morton > Hamilton. He's not as good as he thinks he is and defo not worth a punt. We're in too precarious position in the league to be gambling with this guy. Nice enough bloke and no doubt he would give 100%. Unforntunately I dont think the boy's 100% is an improvement on what we already have.at ER
Also, ..................................he has a very silly chin !
Keep firing names into the pot though. Always good to hear of players that HIBS.NETTERS might think can do a job .
Just coz I dont agree disnae mean i'm right. If i could buy a team of players, mould them into a fantastic team playing sexy football and compteing for trophies it would be be me in the dugout not PF.
Hmmmm Big Phil's Green and White Army???? has a ring to it right enuff
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04-01-2012 09:57 AM #11This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
ghed down with the current issues that the Hibs squad are experiencing.
IMO I feel that a vast majority of the current squad are a lot better than the current performance level they are offering at the moment, I feel that if or when we start to win games then the players will gain some much needed confidence, then you will see them playing with a lot more freedom, and instead of players just trying to go through the motions they will play with more purpose, with more movement off the ball instead of players hiding or scared to try something that might not come off. I just feel some fresh faces could give some of the current group an option to sit out until the team starts to turn results round , which I think PF will do, hopefully in the near future.
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04-01-2012 11:56 AM #12
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What concerns me in the days before the ICT game on the 28 Dec he and O'Brien went home. Left BB in charge. Not a commited signal to the players.
Also, the night before the Utd game he and O'Briem are bevvying up in the Old bell. Not a good example to set players.
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Are you really looking to make matters worse here? What for?
I'm sure you will tell me you are just looking for him to prove himself, will give him a chance etc etc but all your posts on this tell a different story.
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If he was back in Ireland before the ICT game then that ain't good, no matter what anyone else wants to tell me. Sure it's Christmas, it's also a crucial time of our Season. I'd have thought he'd be busting a gut to make a difference, get his points across, work on set plays, defensive pieces, not be rushing back home leaving BB in charge.
But it's OK - I know the drill - he needs time and the chance to get his own players in. Just like his lookalike Martin O'Neill has needed.
PS - I hope this isn't true.Last edited by Cropley10; 04-01-2012 at 01:06 PM.
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Big deal, manager has a few pints !, manager returns to Ireland for a few days, so what , maybe the guy has hardly been home since he moved here , maybe he was looking for new players ?. The list is endless but never let that get in the way of some on here who are ready to put him down.
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GG
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As for all these other players very few of them play in the Irish League. They mainly play in the League of Ireland. (Think there was one from Crusaders being the exception) If you really did follow them you would know that it is a massive insult to the Irish to call their league by the wrong name. Have you ever seen any of these players in the flesh and if so how often and how recently? If you had watched Hart once I'm sure you could have caught him on a good day. How do you know any of these players would be better than Spoony, Booth or Hanlon who have all had the tag promising or the next Whittaker, Fletcher or Brown attached to them? I think that these youngsters might still make it if they played in a better side
What Hibs need now is not potential but proven, good quality, experienced, professional players such as Ryan Stevenson, Sean Dillon, Jonny Hayes, David Weir, Andy Webster, Danny Swanston and Sandaza to build the side around. I'm sure these type of players would be within our budget and would be the better way forward than picking up potential at this time.
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Sligo Rovers play in the League of Ireland, which is the top flight, as do Shamrock Rovers. Crusaders play in the top flight in Northern Ireland. I watch both leagues fairly regularly as I do a lot of work both north and south of the Irish border. I have seen all of those I mention in the flesh about five or six times over the last year and a bit.
And I doubt I'd ever see Hart have a good game. At least, not at Hibs whilst fans are always giving him pelters and wrecking his confidence.
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Re my point about possible signing targets do you not think these type of players are better equipped to get us out this mess? It is the way Dundee Utd and Motherwell have had relative success by blending experience and potential over the last few years.
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Out of curiosity, do you watch much football that isn't Hibs? No that it's a problem, but I think that people need to be more aware of what else is out there in terms of talent.
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Stevenson - Ayr
Dillon - Shelbourne
Hayes - Last seen at Cheltenham before ICT
Swanson - Berwick Rangers
Sandaza - Valencia Mestalla (Spanish Third Division)
And if you seriously think we could now afford Stevenson, Webster and Weir then you need to have a wee look at the clubs they play for and see if you think we can compete with them!
You seem to like players who have come from relative obscurity given the list you provided, so why are you confident that other LOI players, or lower division players, won't come good as these players have pretty much immediately?
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All the players I have mentioned have developed over a few years and are near the finished article. We could have 2 or 3 good seasons out of them or maybe even move them on at a profit. What we need now are role models who know what the game is about. With the exception of Weir all of these players could be sold on potentially at a profit having made a step up. As far as wages go Stevenson is meant to be in discussions with St Johnstone, Hibs have supposedly approached Hearts about Webster twice in the past month and Weir wants first team football not to sit on a bench and is financially secure. All of these will be cheaper than being relegated.
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[QUOTE=leithsansiro;3062528]I think we have to be realistic over how much money is available. There's a reason that teams like DU and Motherwell have had decent success. Typically, good players from the leagues in Ireland have been well suited to playing the Scottish game, certainly more so than those from more glamourous leagues. I've watched a fair bit of these boys and reckon that their potential could be blended with what we already have. I'm not advocating chucking out the baby with the bathwater, simply suggesting that there's diamonds to be had in the lower leagues and elsewhere. Where did Hearts get Stevenson from? Where did Willo Flood come from? There's good deals to be had, and I suggested some who I think could do a job for us.
That is the part we disagree on, I don't think we have the experienced pros to delelop these players, hence the reason I want some better non Old Firm SPL players.
For your interest, have watched number of other SPL games not featuring Hibs, Scottish cup involving non SPL teams, Junior, Champions League at Old Trafford, EPL, English First Division and English Conference over last 2/3 years. Probably about 15 games in total.
By the way did Flood not start his professional career at Man City? (Stand to be corrected)
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