Griffiths and Stevenson

Elephant Stone · 02-01-2012 06:18 PM

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To break up play and make simple passes. If everyone else could complete their own roles as competently we wouldn't be in the ****** we're in at the moment.

He doesn't do enough to break up play though, the breaking up play role is for either strong players or small, aggressive ones like Ian Black. Stevenson is too lightweight and lacks the aggression for that role. If he could take the ball with pace at the opponent's defence and make some incisive forward passes all would be good but that's where he lacks and where we lose out as a team.

***Scouse Hibee*** · 02-01-2012 06:22 PM

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He doesn't do enough to break up play though, the breaking up play role is for either strong players or small, aggressive ones like Ian Black. Stevenson is too lightweight and lacks the aggression for that role. If he could take the ball with pace at the opponent's defence and make some incisive forward passes all would be good but that's where he lacks and where we lose out as a team.

Disagree he lacks agrgression, totally the opposite in fact, grit, determination and tenacious in the tackle, with the right players alongside him there's no problem.

**Postman** · 02-01-2012 07:26 PM

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Disagree he lacks agrgression, totally the opposite in fact, grit, determination and tenacious in the tackle, with the right players alongside him there's no problem.

Nonsense! Osbourne is a player for that role, bigger and stronger than Stevenson. He can also beat a man if necessary. Stevenson is far too lightweight for that role and teams will continue to dominate us in the middle of the park if we rely on Lewis in there

**madabouthibs** · 02-01-2012 07:27 PM

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Disagree he lacks agrgression, totally the opposite in fact, grit, determination and tenacious in the tackle, with the right players alongside him there's no problem.

This, Stevenson would be a fantastic player to have if the rest of the team played their roles the way we need. Nothing fancy about Lewis, just take the ball and keep it simple, find your own player.
Simple passes, in fact most of the simple basics of football are completely lost to us right now. We can't even get crosses over the first defender, and our defenders can't header a ball properly!

***3pm*** · 02-01-2012 07:43 PM

Lewis Stevenson is one of the best midfielders in BRITAIN.

Jamboid in the pub told me. Don't even think he was drinking Stella.

**jon paul jones** · 03-01-2012 09:44 AM

the only things I'd add to the O'Hanlon keep/bench/sell debate is from a decision making process for PF. Only viable alternative to the defensive options on derby day was to play Stephens instead. love the potential in DS but one to nurture for full expectation of taking one of the two CH slots in season 2012/13.

I take it the concensus is we need a better level of performance from whoever plays in the central pair.

In Pat we trust

**Holmesdale Hibs** · 03-01-2012 10:03 AM

The overall performance was an improvement on the Inverness game. I agree with Griffiths - I thought he did well with very limited service. I can see why he gets wound up to be honest. Stevenson was ok, can't fault his effort but we were dominated in midfield.

Some signs of improvement but at the end of the day that's the second consecutive 90min we've played without creating a chance from open play. The only shot on target I can remember from the last 2 games was O'Connor's free kick.

***Scouse Hibee*** · 03-01-2012 10:27 AM

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Nonsense! Osbourne is a player for that role, bigger and stronger than Stevenson. He can also beat a man if necessary. Stevenson is far too lightweight for that role and teams will continue to dominate us in the middle of the park if we rely on Lewis in there

Another one hung up on size

Yes you are talking nonsense if you read my post again I said with the right players alongside him, I didn't suggest he play a lone midfield role now did I?

**Postman** · 03-01-2012 11:43 AM

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Another one hung up on size

Yes you are talking nonsense if you read my post again I said with the right players alongside him, I didn't suggest he play a lone midfield role now did I?

No I am hung up on ability and Stevenson is very limited in that area. If he's the man responsible for breaking up the oppositions play at the minute then he's not doing a very good job and he certainly offers nothing going forward! Maybe you can tell me more about what it is he is doing well just now other than giving 100% commitment which I don't disagree with?

***Aldo*** · 03-01-2012 11:54 AM

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No I am hung up on ability and Stevenson is very limited in that area. If he's the man responsible for breaking up the oppositions play at the minute then he's not doing a very good job and he certainly offers nothing going forward! Maybe you can tell me more about what it is he is doing well just now other than giving 100% commitment which I don't disagree with?

Stevenson was carrying Pallsson, Sproule and Galbraith. The only reason I don't mention Scott cos at least he ran and harried ( that's all tho) out his depth IMHO.

Stevenson has been our best player in recent weeks m. Showing commitment and trying at least. He tried to out his foot in the ball but got no support from the other MF. Him and Ozzy ( he we really missed ) were playing for each other.

We have no MF and Stevenson at least was trying not to hide unlike others

**hibee81** · 03-01-2012 11:55 AM

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No I am hung up on ability and Stevenson is very limited in that area. If he's the man responsible for breaking up the oppositions play at the minute then he's not doing a very good job and he certainly offers nothing going forward! Maybe you can tell me more about what it is he is doing well just now other than giving 100% commitment which I don't disagree with?

Stevenson is currently the only player in the team able to maintain possession, and he does it well. The players around him make it look like a hot tattie there playing with punting 70 yards for someone to chase (recently stevenson). His ability to get hold of the ball and play a simple yet effective pass is a boost and if we can get a creative player in midfield then he will become an even better asset, his 100% commitment is what alot of others on here seem to go on about but he is more than that hes been at hibs for a fair time now, seen 4 or so different managers and none of them have let him go, must see something in the lad that all us experts dont. all IMO of course he is the stand out player since fenlon arrived.

**Cropley10** · 03-01-2012 12:04 PM

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No I am hung up on ability and Stevenson is very limited in that area. If he's the man responsible for breaking up the oppositions play at the minute then he's not doing a very good job and he certainly offers nothing going forward! Maybe you can tell me more about what it is he is doing well just now other than giving 100% commitment which I don't disagree with?

Calum Murray booked him for his fist tackle of the game, a foul. Unless you wanted him to get sent off his ability to break up possession was diminished.

How nice it must have been for Hearts to have our make-shift RB AND our defensive midfielder on yellows after, what, 10 minutes?

**Postman** · 03-01-2012 12:32 PM

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Stevenson was carrying Pallsson, Sproule and Galbraith. The only reason I don't mention Scott cos at least he ran and harried ( that's all tho) out his depth IMHO.

Stevenson has been our best player in recent weeks m. Showing commitment and trying at least. He tried to out his foot in the ball but got no support from the other MF. Him and Ozzy ( he we really missed ) were playing for each other.

We have no MF and Stevenson at least was trying not to hide unlike others

Stevenson did not carry anyone yesterday and for me Palsson did alright yesterday. Palsson and Osbourne would be the best midfield paiting we have at the minute. Sproule and Galbraith should never be anywhere near the team on a Saturday afternoon. Sproule is at best a late impact player to bring on if chasing the game bur even then he doesn't seem to have the pace he used to. I've never seen a professional footballer who looks more uncomfrtable with the ball at his feet than he does.

Stevenson has survived several managers who I think its fair to say have not been the best judge of a player which is why they have all been sacked! He is commited and I would love for the lad to be a top player for Hibs but he just never will be in my opinion

***Scouse Hibee*** · 03-01-2012 04:13 PM

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Stevenson did not carry anyone yesterday and for me Palsson did alright yesterday. Palsson and Osbourne would be the best midfield paiting we have at the minute. Sproule and Galbraith should never be anywhere near the team on a Saturday afternoon. Sproule is at best a late impact player to bring on if chasing the game bur even then he doesn't seem to have the pace he used to. I've never seen a professional footballer who looks more uncomfrtable with the ball at his feet than he does.

Stevenson has survived several managers who I think its fair to say have not been the best judge of a player which is why they have all been sacked! He is commited and I would love for the lad to be a top player for Hibs but he just never will be in my opinion

NO I think it's fairer to say that you are not the best judge of a player, numerous managers and plenty of supporters who can see the performances that Stevenson is capable of and has produced of late bear that out!

***Aldo*** · 03-01-2012 04:24 PM

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Stevenson did not carry anyone yesterday and for me Palsson did alright yesterday. Palsson and Osbourne would be the best midfield paiting we have at the minute. Sproule and Galbraith should never be anywhere near the team on a Saturday afternoon. Sproule is at best a late impact player to bring on if chasing the game bur even then he doesn't seem to have the pace he used to. I've never seen a professional footballer who looks more uncomfrtable with the ball at his feet than he does.

Stevenson has survived several managers who I think its fair to say have not been the best judge of a player which is why they have all been sacked! He is commited and I would love for the lad to be a top player for Hibs but he just never will be in my opinion

Stevenson for me has been the best Hibs player in the last. Umber of games. Since PF took over. For me both him and Ozzy in middle of park. What has Pallsson done to deserve any plaudits.
Lewis has rolled up his sleeves and got stuck in. He has the ability he is in a very very poor team. Let's hope Ozzy is back for the pars game.

**~~TornadoHibby~~** · 03-01-2012 04:46 PM

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Calum Murray booked him for his fist tackle of the game, a foul. Unless you wanted him to get sent off his ability to break up possession was diminished.

How nice it must have been for Hearts to have our make-shift RB AND our defensive midfielder on yellows after, what, 10 minutes?

And then for a blatant penalty (Webster hauling Griffiths down) not given, retaliation (against Sproule) by McGowan not dealt with by red card to McGowan, AND THEN 1st and 3rd goals not being disallowed due to blatantly obvious offside (Elliot for 1st goal and Sutton near half way line for the 3rd)!!!!

Is the West Stand linesman also a Hearts fan as the referee is I understand!??

**Postman** · 03-01-2012 05:54 PM

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NO I think it's fairer to say that you are not the best judge of a player, numerous managers and plenty of supporters who can see the performances that Stevenson is capable of and has produced of late bear that out!

Our record since he came back into the team is P9 W0 D3 L6 F5 A15. The only time he has started in a winning team this season was our away win at Caley early on in the season when he'd already been subbed when we scored and we were very lucky to sneak it that day. Yeah lets convince ourselves he's doing a job and blame it all on everyone else around him not allowing him to do his job and enjoy his simple passing and commitment week after week. Of course there are plenty others to blame for the mess we're in but believe me Lewis is a major part of the problem

***Scouse Hibee*** · 03-01-2012 06:01 PM

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Our record since he came back into the team is P9 W0 D3 L6 F5 A15. The only time he has started in a winning team this season was our away win at Caley early on in the season when he'd already been subbed when we scored and we were very lucky to sneak it that day. Yeah lets convince ourselves he's doing a job and blame it all on everyone else around him not allowing him to do his job and enjoy his simple passing and commitment week after week. Of course there are plenty others to blame for the mess we're in but believe me Lewis is a major part of the problem

I did wonder whether you have actually been watching his performances of late, when you print stats of games he's played in to back up your argument I think clearly you haven't. Oh dear what a pathetic attempt...........................next!

**madabouthibs** · 03-01-2012 06:15 PM

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Stevenson has survived several managers who I think its fair to say have not been the best judge of a player which is why they have all been sacked! He is commited and I would love for the lad to be a top player for Hibs but he just never will be in my opinion

Stevenson didn't really play very much for any of the last two managers, perhaps about 15 to 20 starts over 2 seasons. Maybe these guys would still be managing Hibs if he'd started more often?

***matty_f*** · 03-01-2012 06:21 PM

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Stevenson didn't really play very much for any of the last two managers, perhaps about 15 to 20 starts over 2 seasons. Maybe these guys would still be managing Hibs if he'd started more often?

Stevenson's versatility has been his saving grace over the years, IMHO. Capable of filling in at centre or left mid, and at left back, he's a useful squad player to have about.

**Postman** · 03-01-2012 06:25 PM

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I did wonder whether you have actually been watching his performances of late, when you print stats of games he's played in to back up your argument I think clearly you haven't. Oh dear what a pathetic attempt...........................next!

Of course, statistics like that are irrelevant I suppose! He's in a key position in the centre of the park for a team that never wins, concedes too many and scores too few but never mind, keep it up Lewis you're a stand out in a poor team and its everyone else's fault! Have I been watching, yes. Have I been impressed, no. Not sure exactly what it is I should be impressed with. For such a good player I'm really surprised at the lack of interest there has been in him over the years!

***RIP*** · 03-01-2012 06:31 PM

Lewis will be club captain soon. He has muscled up well and within the next year will be leading the team out.

***Scouse Hibee*** · 03-01-2012 06:32 PM

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Of course, statistics like that are irrelevant I suppose! He's in a key position in the centre of the park for a team that never wins, concedes too many and scores too few but never mind, keep it up Lewis you're a stand out in a poor team and its everyone else's fault! Have I been watching, yes. Have I been impressed, no. Not sure exactly what it is I should be impressed with. For such a good player I'm really surprised at the lack of interest there has been in him over the years!

Steven Gerrard couldn't improve them stats playing in the middle of the park in that team! You get my point? I have never said it's everyones elses fault, but if you have been watching but can't see then maybe your one of those people that can't really see what a player brings to a team unless he's a headline maker! At the end of the day though it's all about opinions I suppose.

**Postman** · 03-01-2012 06:32 PM

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Stevenson's versatility has been his saving grace over the years, IMHO. Capable of filling in at centre or left mid, and at left back, he's a useful squad player to have about.

Agreed, it has kept him at the club and now that he's been given his chance he has failed to take it in my opinion. Attitude and commitment are not enough. Could maybe keep him as cover but we need better in the middle of the park. If he plays there till the end of the season we are not going to pull clear IMO

**Postman** · 03-01-2012 06:50 PM

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Steven Gerrard couldn't improve them stats playing in the middle of the park in that team! You get my point? I have never said it's everyones elses fault, but if you have been watching but can't see then maybe your one of those people that can't really see what a player brings to a team unless he's a headline maker! At the end of the day though it's all about opinions I suppose.

Eh, aye he could?!! Lewis Stevenson can't though!

I get your point but its not well made

***Scouse Hibee*** · 03-01-2012 06:55 PM

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Eh, aye he could?!! Lewis Stevenson can't though!

I get your point but its not well made

So one man could change our fortunes eh!

**Postman** · 03-01-2012 07:04 PM

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So one man could change our fortunes eh!

Well i'd put a few quid on us staying up if he signed in the Jan window that's for sure! Top 6 might be a push though...

***Jones28*** · 03-01-2012 09:33 PM

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Our record since he came back into the team is P9 W0 D3 L6 F5 A15. The only time he has started in a winning team this season was our away win at Caley early on in the season when he'd already been subbed when we scored and we were very lucky to sneak it that day. Yeah lets convince ourselves he's doing a job and blame it all on everyone else around him not allowing him to do his job and enjoy his simple passing and commitment week after week. Of course there are plenty others to blame for the mess we're in but believe me Lewis is a major part of the problem

If it's OK with you, naw :)

Are you blaming Lewis for our having not won any games? Considering that in the games he has played he looked head and shoulders above the rest of the team.

As a previous post said, if everyone was fulfilling there role as well as he is doing in the mid-field, we would be well out of the danger zone

**Postman** · 03-01-2012 09:52 PM

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If it's OK with you, naw :)

Are you blaming Lewis for our having not won any games? Considering that in the games he has played he looked head and shoulders above the rest of the team.

As a previous post said, if everyone was fulfilling there role as well as he is doing in the mid-field, we would be well out of the danger zone

The last sentence I wrote was 'Of course there are plenty others to blame for the mess we're in but believe me Lewis is a major part of the problem' and then ask me if i'm blaming Lewis for not having won any games?! I am saying Lewis is IMO part of the problem which some don't agree with. That's fair enough, all about opinions

What is this 'role' he is supposedly fulfilling so well having played in such an unsuccessful team this year?