London's Olympic Stadium (Post Olympics)

[The_Exile]

Apologies if this has been mentioned, but find this whole shebang a bit of a stramash......

So it looks like West Ham have won the bid to get the stadium after the Olympics have buggered off. Which was to be expected as Tottenham planned to rip it down and start again without the running track etc (Championship Football from 100 yards, watch West Ham fill an 80,000 seater!)

The one thing that sickens me is that there has been absolutely NO coverage of the impact on Leyton Orient, this will more than likely force them out of Brisbane Road, or even worse, out of business! How can this be allowed to happen, doesn't it contravine certain rules and regulations?

I'm not an expert on the situation, hoping someone else knows a lot more, but I honestly can't believe the lack of coverage over what's happening. Probably most folk up here don't give a monkeys, but I have a soft spot for the O's and wanted to give my support for their cause!

[number 27]

Excuse my ignorance but why will it hurt Orient so much?
are they right next door

[The_Exile]

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Excuse my ignorance but why will it hurt Orient so much?
are they right next door

Less than 2 miles away, the thought is that West Ham will struggle to fill the stadium, think it's 60,000 seats rather than 80,000 I had put in my OP. So they will give loads of free tickets to the local schools etc, therefore hitting the O's where it hurts, bums on seats.

There's talk of compensation to them as it's clearly against a rule in the FA regulations but that's all to be sorted out further down the line I think.

[Gatecrasher]

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Excuse my ignorance but why will it hurt Orient so much?
are they right next door

If Man U built a new Stadium next to ER will it not hurt us?

I think the Leyton Orient fans are worried about their crowds dropping and the clubs future. I can see where they are coming from TBH

[The_Exile]

It's like Real Madrid moving into Meadowbank (you'll need to use your imagination to think of Meadowbank as a state of the art 60,000 all seater stadium!) and chucking 15,000 tickets to their games over the streets of Leith and Lochend.

[LancashireHibby]

I can see where Orient are coming from, but to be honest there isn't much difference to what is happening already as far as I can tell?

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Not sure this will work in The Hammers favour in the long run. Although they will get a good few quid when they sell Upton Park.

[jacomoseven]

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I can see where Orient are coming from, but to be honest there isn't much difference to what is happening already as far as I can tell?

West Ham won't be moving far but it's directly into the O's patch. They have a right to feel concerned.

As for the Stadium itself, the Spurs plan is clearly superior - the Olympic Stadium is going to make a rubbish football stadium.

[Hibee87]

I would assume that both wont be playing at home on the same day for policing etc so surly the fans who normally go to see orients will still go and when the o's are away wil l use the free tickets to see west ham.

alternativly same scenario as above but let them ground share they woudl then be able to give away free tickets to the schools etc as well = more money spend on merchandise maybe and also kids getitng free tickets taking there dad along who would have to pay = more revenue. could work out ok for them i guess

[Woody1985]

Why are west ham getting stick. Surely the Olympic committee are to blame.

They'd have know that the only real viable option would be football and that would have an impact on the surrounding area.

It should be them that pay anything but it sounds like the LO future fan base is screwed either way.

[greenlex]

Why don't LO just move in to the Olympic Stadium?

[Wakeyhibee]

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Why don't LO just move in to the Olympic Stadium?

They could but they'd have to give away 40,000 more tickets than West Ham to fill the place

[CB_NO3]

I would be gutted if I was a West Ham fan. Moving to a stadium with a running track will be horrible. And for what its worth, if Real Madrid moved to Meadowbank I would still be going to watch Hibs at ER on a Sat. You can shuv Real Madrid up your .....

[Thecat23]

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I would be gutted if I was a West Ham fan. Moving to a stadium with a running track will be horrible. And for what its worth, if Real Madrid moved to Meadowbank I would still be going to watch Hibs at ER on a Sat. You can shuv Real Madrid up your .....

I've followed West Ham for about 12 years now, and i'm gutted this is going ahead. There are a few more like myself and if i'm honest i don't think it's all done and dusted just yet.

[DC_Hibs]

Might have been an idea for the original poster to have more knowledge on the subject he is posting about. I know little about it but remembered from a while back that the stadium was due to be massively scaled down after the games as the majority of it was temporary.

The stadium is "converting down to a 25,000 seat permanent stadium after the Games" based on the original plans meaning it would be fine for Orient and it was initially mentioned that they might be an option for playing there after the Games.

West Ham (and Spurs) will obviously alter this to suit their needs so if its 60k for WH, then they have surely chosen that and aren not going to the expense having 20,000 empty seats each week or freebies to chuck at prepubescent potential future Orient fans.

So, much ado about nothing..........

[The_Exile]

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Might have been an idea for the original poster to have more knowledge on the subject he is posting about.

First sentence of my last paragraph in the OP clearly states I was no expert but wanted to know more from someone with more knowledge about the whole thing.

For what it's worth, I think the Hammers have to keep the running track, the further the fan is from the pitch, the better West Ham will probably look................

[heretoday]

I'm no expert but isn't one of the attractions for WHU and Spurs the opportunity to obtain branding rights on their new home?

West Ham are certainly not capable of filling an 80,000 stadium right now - are Spurs? - but with more cash to spend and a decent team on the pitch the fans will come. They have a potentially huge support.

[Leicester Fan]

Excuse my ignorance but why would West Ham have to give away tickets? There's no law saying you have to fill your stadium every week.

If Orient fans wanted to support West Ham atm Upton Park isn't that hard to get to.

[BOVRIL]

As far as I know Orient are totally against the idea of WHU being next door and that should be taken into consideration. As usual it seems the wee club dont matter.

Also if I was a West Ham fan I would hate the idea of moving to a stadium with a running track.

The Germans and Italians have struggled like mental over the last 20 years to get away from stadiums like that. You will be pushed to find a new football ground anywhere with a running track included coz the fans and players hate them.

[FalkirkHibee]

What's to stop Leyton Orient from giving away free tickets to the local people of East London?

Their home ground has a capacity of just over 9,000 and at their last home game, they had an attendance of around 4,000.

Why couldn't they give 3 or 4,000 free tickets to local schoolchildren in order to fill their stadium?

At the end of the day, people will go and support whoever they want. West Ham are in the Premiership (for now at least), arguably the best league in the world and Leyton Orient are in League One so it's only natural that West Ham will attract more supporters. Also, given West Ham's history, I think they'll always be a bigger draw than Leyton Orient.

My last point is that I don't get the idea that says Leyton Orient don't want West Ham moving so close to where they play. Upton Park's only 15 minutes away from Brisbane Road (Leyton Orient's stadium) as it is. OK, the Olympic Stadium will be slightly closer to Leyton Orient than that but I don't see that being any more damaging to Leyton Orient, than it is already.

[Notting Hill Billy]

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First sentence of my last paragraph in the OP clearly states I was no expert but wanted to know more from someone with more knowledge about the whole thing.

For what it's worth, I think the Hammers have to keep the running track, the further the fan is from the pitch, the better West Ham will probably look................

here you go. and as dc hibs says original plans were going tobe scaled way back to 25k, but had no takers whats so ever, so they invited west ham then spurs to table.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...pic-stadium.do

[Notting Hill Billy]

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I'm no expert but isn't one of the attractions for WHU and Spurs the opportunity to obtain branding rights on their new home?

West Ham are certainly not capable of filling an 80,000 stadium right now - are Spurs? - but with more cash to spend and a decent team on the pitch the fans will come. They have a potentially huge support.

correct about WH filling not being able to fill scaled back to 60k (not 80k) seater stadia, they cant even fill upton park!! as for spurs filling 60k, no problem at all, sell out every week, and they have over 34k on season ticket waiting list.

[iwasthere1972]

They're not half stretching the result out. Worse than waiting on the X Factor results.

Latest news is that the result is imminent........................................ge t on with then.

[lyonhibs]

As far as a footballing arena goes, from a tradition and atmosphere point of view, this is a brutal decision from West Ham.

At the same time, there's no way this country can justify knocling together a 60,000 seater stadium, paid for (partly or mostly, I don't know??) with taxpayers money, only to see it ripped down a matter of months later.

[Woody1985]

West Ham win.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12424549

[iwasthere1972]

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West Ham win.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12424549

They'll be celebrating on the streets of Tottenham. Can't imagine many spurs fans who would have wanted to move to the Olympic Stadium miles away from their roots.

Just think we could have been playing at Straiton now if things had been different. That would have been a disaster. Virtually no pubs in the area and a pretty soulless place. We would have been competing with Ikea for business.

[Haymaker]

Even with the running track you will be closer to the action than you are at Wembley apparently.

While I follow West Ham down here and I dont want them to move from Upton Park, a place with so much football history, I can see the benefit as we will be able to clear a large proportion of the debt we have with the sale of the original Academy of Football stadium and pay little for a brand new, modern stadium.

As for Spurs, they should stay up in north london the dirty spurs *******s!

[heretoday]

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correct about WH filling not being able to fill scaled back to 60k (not 80k) seater stadia, they cant even fill upton park!! as for spurs filling 60k, no problem at all, sell out every week, and they have over 34k on season ticket waiting list.

Yeah but with cash generated from sale of Upton Park and naming rights at the Olympic they can hopefully build a good team to challenge at the top. If they do that then there is a huge potential fanbase to the east of London that will become interested. Presumably they are not intending to just yoyo between the prem and the champs ad nauseam. Grant them some ambition.

[The Story So Far...]

So let me get this right.

Joe Public spends £x in taxes which contribute towards the building a top class track and athletics stadium (of which, there aren't a large number in the UK) and once it's completed, the stadium is awarded to a private company in West Ham, with the track element set to be destroyed.

I just don't get why the stadium can't be maintained as an athletics venue - what other track and field stadia is there in London?

Karren Brady has a cheek to lambaste people for inequality - everyone finances the development of this stadium through tax contributions, but only the elite footballers of the EPL benefit in the long run?

[Notting Hill Billy]

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Yeah but with cash generated from sale of Upton Park and naming rights at the Olympic they can hopefully build a good team to challenge at the top. If they do that then there is a huge potential fanbase to the east of London that will become interested. Presumably they are not intending to just yoyo between the prem and the champs ad nauseam. Grant them some ambition.

ok. they've been yoyoin for years and they cant fill upton park. £95m to covert oylmpic stadium, £40m coming from tax payers (newham council), (and this is after people like me having to fund it in first place with extra being slapped on top of council tax).

sale of upton park will be used to fund short fall of £55m. and mind WH are still massivley in debt.

in 5 years time this will be a white elephant and the tax payer will have funded it. and west ham fans will wanting to move out (or rip up track). its totaly unsistainable project.

huge fan base at LO's expsense!