is there any manager who could sort out this mess?

[Bad Martini]

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Sorry BM but you cannot compare Hibs to liverpool with the players they have.

Wouldn't even attempt to try and start to make such a comparison...the point I am making is, that team (LFC) are way better than 13th in the league.

The point being, Hodgson, due to lack of skill with the players and inheritting the previous mess from Raffa (not necessarily his fault ,same as calderwood) didn't have anything to turn it around with.

Dalglish, within 1 week, has.

I know its unfair and Im not saying its right. Im merely saying with the RIGHT boss in place, things can change without spending a bean.

Bottom line; I dont think Calderwood ever was right for the job. I hope I am proven wrong and we get out this mess as I cannot see the board sacking him and if I am honest, I'd love to see him get us out this mess - I dont think he's done all that much wrong other than not knowing what to do with the **** Hughes left behind. Equally, is that OUR problem? Nope. Might be easier and cleaner all round for a change.

Who knows.......either way, this living in hope pish got us relegated last time.

I think, we'll be saved by Hamilton being even ****ter than we are NOT by Calderwood's brains, tactics or team selection.

IMHO

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I think McBride has been treated very poorly by the club when guys like De Graaf and Rankin get a game ahead of him.

Just goes to show what a poor squad we have then eh??
Even more reason to at least give CC a chance.

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I think McBride has been treated very poorly by the club when guys like De Graaf and Rankin get a game ahead of him.

Id agree. Furthermore, I'd strongly argue til the sheep game where we lost, he was one of our BETTER players....he missed a few games thereafter and we've been sheiter for it.

He played tonight and I feel, played marginally better than some on there and infinitely better than I would, knowing the boss said I could go and I know I am better than some of my "team".

Good point mate.

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Just goes to show what a poor squad we have then eh??
Even more reason to at least give CC a chance.

Window shuts in less than 2 weeks - players needed right away and money no object (unless we want to be in division one). Not looking good Im afraid

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Just goes to show what a poor squad we have then eh??
Even more reason to at least give CC a chance.

I genuinely belive CC is going nowhere. I hope for all our sakes something changes. I am not convinced if it does, it'll be all down to CC. I hope so though as like you, I also agree we have a crap squad.

There's 3 problems here for me:

Current team is playing sheite and our squad is not good enough
Not the right man brought in ANYWAY and I never thought he was
Petrie and the board unable to give cash or line it up BEFORE 01/01/11, ready for the window opening

Add all 3 together = no goals in 2011 and out the cup to sheite like Ayr.

IMHO, again.

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Wouldn't even attempt to try and start to make such a comparison...the point I am making is, that team (LFC) are way better than 13th in the league.

The point being, Hodgson, due to lack of skill with the players and inheritting the previous mess from Raffa (not necessarily his fault ,same as calderwood) didn't have anything to turn it around with.

Dalglish, within 1 week, has.

I know its unfair and Im not saying its right. Im merely saying with the RIGHT boss in place, things can change without spending a bean.

Bottom line; I dont think Calderwood ever was right for the job. I hope I am proven wrong and we get out this mess as I cannot see the board sacking him and if I am honest, I'd love to see him get us out this mess - I dont think he's done all that much wrong other than not knowing what to do with the **** Hughes left behind. Equally, is that OUR problem? Nope. Might be easier and cleaner all round for a change.

Who knows.......either way, this living in hope pish got us relegated last time.

I think, we'll be saved by Hamilton being even ****ter than we are NOT by Calderwood's brains, tactics or team selection.

IMHO

Can't say that Dalgish has turned it around as such, they still haven't won a match.
As i said before not a good comparison at all as we are where we are because that is where we deserve to be. It would take a lot more than a change of manager to change our fortunes.

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So do you think getting, or trying to get, someone else in at this stage of the season will help any??
What will that do to the already disillusioned players??
3 managers in one season?? we will be a laughing stock...oh yes much, much more than at present.
I would have preferred that we had got rid of Yogi before the end of last season when it was clear that he wasn't up to it, to give the new guy at least a little chance...that was down to RP...he gambled...he failed and now we are paying the price.

Hughes should have gone after the 6-6 debacle.

I don't agree when people say that Mourinho and Ferguson could do nothing with this current Hibs side. Yes, the players are crap and the vast majority of them should be emptied ASAP but a decent manager would have this current Hibs squad miles away from relegation trouble.

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Why is it a manager cant manage someone else's side, why can they only manage a team once they have brought their own players in?

It's a total myth. Look what Brown has done at the sheep. There were plenty of candidates and it will be intresting to see how the likes of McCall get on at Motherwell.

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Window shuts in less than 2 weeks - players needed right away and money no object (unless we want to be in division one). Not looking good Im afraid

Money is an object.
It will be a last minute rush, as usual, and we will end up not getting our first picks (no doubt), but hopefully enough to keep us up.

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Can't say that Dalgish has turned it around as such, they still haven't won a match.
As i said before not a good comparison at all as we are where we are because that is where we deserve to be. It would take a lot more than a change of manager to change our fortunes.

IMHO

Can say Dalglish has turned it around even slightly. 3 weeks ago LFC would have been seriously hammered in all 3 games. Narrow loss at Man U, stupid loss at Blackpool, return from 2-1 down at Anfield. There's no way the confidence they had 3 weeks ago would have allowed ANY of that.

Anyway, thats by the by ; bottom line ... we've got similar issues and the very same confidence problem. Our squad and team ARE better than our league position and our cup status. Thats a fact too....they turned over the huns, they shouldn't have lost to hearts and the truth is, the SAME players even, though not good enough, ARE better than where they are right now and should certainly be able to muster 90 minutes of play against 2nd division part time opponents.

Equally, our manager should be able to bring that out in them. I dont think its just his fault as I say. I merely dont think he can now, as the time has passed, get us back on winning terms. Who knows tho, he might. Canny see it. If he could, he would have by now, putting aside the freak Ibrox result which I loved and putting aside the odd flash of "play" from this season.

Not ideal mate...

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Can say Dalglish has turned it around even slightly. 3 weeks ago LFC would have been seriously hammered in all 3 games. Narrow loss at Man U, stupid loss at Blackpool, return from 2-1 down at Anfield. There's no way the confidence they had 3 weeks ago would have allowed ANY of that.

Anyway, thats by the by ; bottom line ... we've got similar issues and the very same confidence problem. Our squad and team ARE better than our league position and our cup status. Thats a fact too....they turned over the huns, they shouldn't have lost to hearts and the truth is, the SAME players even, though not good enough, ARE better than where they are right now and should certainly be able to muster 90 minutes of play against 2nd division part time opponents.

Equally, our manager should be able to bring that out in them. I dont think its just his fault as I say. I merely dont think he can now, as the time has passed, get us back on winning terms. Who knows tho, he might. Canny see it. If he could, he would have by now, putting aside the freak Ibrox result which I loved and putting aside the odd flash of "play" from this season.

Not ideal mate...

That's where i disagree. I think we are where we are because our players are not better than our position. It has been the case, as I said, since the end of last January when our form has been nothin more than relegation material...shoot even before that, though we got results, we were poor.
I think it is totally unfair to judge CC at this moment in time, though I can see why people may think so.

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said the same thing, know it would not be popular but a steady pair of hands no doubt about it.

Well there was a rumour on the boards that we went for Pa Broon first and he wasn't interested. Who knows how much of that is complete ****** however...

FWIW I dunno who to blame for that *****. I'm starting with the vast bulk of the squad as what I saw tonight was wage-thieves not even trying a leg. Unforgiveable. I'm all for giving CC time but I have to say, he's done nothing to impress me to date. Seems to have no idea about his best 11, best formation, anything really and he's been in long enough to surely get 'something' more out of the players he has to hand. Petrie backs his managers with cash - no complaints there - but if CC doesn't work out, when exactly does he carry the can for failed appointments?...

Just thinking out loud - too annoyed to think clearly...

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Hughes should have gone after the 6-6 debacle.

I don't agree when people say that Mourinho and Ferguson could do nothing with this current Hibs side. Yes, the players are crap and the vast majority of them should be emptied ASAP but a decent manager would have this current Hibs squad miles away from relegation trouble.

100%. Our squad isn't great because Hughes lumbered us with a few real duffers, especially last summer. However, we still have a few players who could do a job with the right manager in charge. Somebody like Craig Brown or Jimmy Calderwood would have had us about 7th or 8th by now, heading for the top six by the split. Both of them would have made a couple of signing by now as well.

CC has had it tough - he hasn't managed in the SPL and is struggling to attract players here. But that is all the more reason why Petrie should not have appointed him. We needed a steady, reliable guy with SPL experience who would have came in knowing EXACTLY what is needed.

CC still doesn't give the impression he has a clue how to solve our problems. Not a good sign when we need to start winning NOW.

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i'd say - within our price range, no.

Jimmy Calderwood. Sadly we missed out on Craig Brown. There's a few other guys that I would have liked in October, but JC was my first choice. To be honest things are so desperate now that we MUST appoint a guy with a proven record in the SPL.

I'd bring in JC to work with Derek Adams. JC would know who to sign straight away as he knows the SPL inside out. And on our wage budget, he would probably get us into the top four next season, as he managed that regularly with Aberdeen, who are worse off than us.

Petrie probably ignored JC before because of some fans making their views clear about him, but survival must be our priority at the moment, surely?