Liam Miller

***greenlex*** · 20-02-2010 07:30 PM

WTF were you thinking about. A massive game for us in terms of Europe and he lets his team and us down. FFS you have bags of experience. I hope Yogi hammers you mate.

***Jonnyboy*** · 20-02-2010 07:31 PM

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WTF were you thinking about. A massive game for us in terms of Europe and he lets his team and us down. FFS you have bags of experience. I hope Yogi hammers you mate.

Can you explain why he was shown a red card?

***Danderhall Hibs*** · 20-02-2010 07:31 PM

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WTF were you thinking about. A massive game for us in terms of Europe and he lets his team and us down. FFS you have bags of experience. I hope Yogi hammers you mate.

Was it that bad a tackle? The radio guys were saying red was a bit harsh?

***Jonnyboy*** · 20-02-2010 07:34 PM

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Was it that bad a tackle? The radio guys were saying red was a bit harsh?

It was a booking at worst DH. O'Brien reacted angrily and made for Miller along with a couple of others and seemed to slip as he did so. I've not seen it again but I'm pretty sure Miller did nothing more than the original foul

***Spike Mandela*** · 20-02-2010 07:36 PM

just watched it. Never a red card.

***greenlex*** · 20-02-2010 07:36 PM

Just saw it again on Alba. Stupid challenge to make and IMO worthy of a red.

***Danderhall Hibs*** · 20-02-2010 07:37 PM

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It was a booking at worst DH. O'Brien reacted angrily and made for Miller along with a couple of others and seemed to slip as he did so. I've not seen it again but I'm pretty sure Miller did nothing more than the original foul

Just watched it on Alba. It looks worse than it is and as you say the reaction of the Motherwell players wouldn't have helped - even the keeper was up for his say! Looks like the linesman had a bit of input into the decision as well.

***Jonnyboy*** · 20-02-2010 07:37 PM

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Just saw it again on Alba. Stupid challenge to make and IMO worthy of a red.

As I said A, I've not seen it again but my recollection is that it was no more than a yello

**~~MSK~~** · 20-02-2010 07:37 PM

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Just saw it again on Alba. Stupid challenge to make and IMO worthy of a red.

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just watched it. Never a red card.:bye:

Opinions eh ..

**forthhibby** · 20-02-2010 07:39 PM

still think it was never a red card challenge

***blackpoolhibs*** · 20-02-2010 07:39 PM

Just saw it again, and personally i think it was a yellow card, i can see why he sent him off though. I think the ref over reacted, and the Motherwell players contributed towards him going off

***greenlex*** · 20-02-2010 07:40 PM

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just watched it. Never a red card.

Thought at the time it was stupid and reckless and TV hasn't changed my mind.
Actually didnt look as bad on TV as it did at the game. H e had just given the ball away and lunged at the boy taking him out probably out of frustration as much as anything.

***Billy Whizz*** · 20-02-2010 07:40 PM

At the game today I thought that it was a harsh tackle. Just watched again on ALBA and although he was late it was never a RED card.O'Brien used both hands and should have went for retaliation.
When your luck is down.........
Unfortunately can't appeal unless the Ref admits he made a mistake.7

***Danderhall Hibs*** · 20-02-2010 07:42 PM

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Unfortunately can't appeal unless the Ref admits he made a mistake.7

I think you can appeal but the referee has to admit he was wrong or it won't be overturned! If you don't appeal at all they won't over rule him.

It's a great system we have in place.

**ScottB** · 20-02-2010 07:43 PM

In any case O'Brien should have been off, unless of course he was also done for 'obstruction'

***Jonnyboy*** · 20-02-2010 07:44 PM

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In any case O'Brien should have been off, unless of course he was also done for 'obstruction'

I also think the crowd reaction influenced the referee

***greenlex*** · 20-02-2010 07:47 PM

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In any case O'Brien should have been off, unless of course he was also done for 'obstruction'

This is true and you are spot on. It doesnt however IMO excuse Miller from his rashness.

***Danderhall Hibs*** · 20-02-2010 07:49 PM

O'Brien's reaction wasn't worthy of a red card either. He didn't throw a punch or anything. Ref and linesman panicked - if it hadn't turned into a 20-odd man shoving match Miller would've got a yellow and that would've been that.

**Green4Go07** · 20-02-2010 08:04 PM

At the time i thought rash challenge from Miller through frustration yellow card at worse.Obrien retaliation looked like a red card.After watching incident on Alba,two yellow cards would suffice,but unfortunatly the referee reacted to to third party tupence worth.

**~~Toaods~~** · 20-02-2010 08:21 PM

perhaps Motherwell players expected something to go their way after all their whining about last week's terrible refereeing decision that went against them.

**iwasthere1972** · 20-02-2010 09:02 PM

Not the best of angles to see the incident from (Alba version) but the only one. Thought a red card was a bit harsh considering how quickly O'Brien got back up to have a go.

Miller should have hit him harder to justify a red card.

***Mantis Toboggan*** · 20-02-2010 09:06 PM

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At the time i thought rash challenge from Miller through frustration yellow card at worse.Obrien retaliation looked like a red card.After watching incident on Alba,two yellow cards would suffice,but unfortunatly the referee reacted to to third party tupence worth.

exactly. special kudos to the motherwell support who must have shouted for every single possible offence throughout the game. never heard anything like it! lovely wee rendition of the famine song immediately after the sending off as well. the fact that jim o'brien is a mcgeady-esque plastic irishman was presumably lost on them.

**CB_NO3** · 20-02-2010 09:09 PM

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WTF were you thinking about. A massive game for us in terms of Europe and he lets his team and us down. FFS you have bags of experience. I hope Yogi hammers you mate.

Tit

***greenlex*** · 20-02-2010 09:10 PM

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Tit

So are you agreeing or disagreeing?

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Tit

Greenlex or Miller

**Frank Moon** · 20-02-2010 09:12 PM

I was in the centre stand and at half time at the pie stand many of the Motherwell fans were commenting they thought there would have been two reds once Miller got his. Some folk behind me actually said they thought their man was the one to get the red for retaliation.

**MussyHibby** · 20-02-2010 10:46 PM

FWIW, I thought it was a bit red mist from LM because he lost possession again and rashly followed through on the 'well player. A sending off in itself, probably no, but it was for me his rashness in trying to make up for losing possession that made his challenge LOOK worse than it was.

As for the 'well player, for me it was either two reds or two yellows.

In summary, a guy of his experience shouldn't have let it happen.

**Hainan Hibs** · 20-02-2010 10:48 PM

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Tit

Come on, get off the fence and let us know what you are really thinking.

***CallumLaidlaw*** · 20-02-2010 10:50 PM

I watched it on Alba and thought at very worst it was a yellow. As someone said, every motherwell player dived in including ruddy.
BUT, some on here have been saying for a few weeks that it is only a matter of time before Miller got sent off. Hopefully he realises now, he cant dive in late, etc

**~~PC Stamp~~** · 20-02-2010 11:02 PM

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I think you can appeal but the referee has to admit he was wrong or it won't be overturned! If you don't appeal at all they won't over rule him.

It's a great system we have in place.

It's akin to getting done for a crime and the same judge who found you guilty hearing your appeal!!!